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Cellular Phone Forum / Manufacturers / Ericsson / March 2006New P990 review
This is an exciting looking phone. With a big bonus (IMO), shipping with Opera's browser. Any ideas on what the pricing will be? This is the first I've heard about this model. http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/6217.html I have a p910a (and had a p800 before that) and one of the things that really stand out is the keyboard on the back of the keyflip. The keyflip can increase the size of the screen and become a PDA or when not used can become a cell phone (which is the most important use of the device). By doing away with that, there really is no reason to buy the p990 instead of the Palm 700 (other than that you are a rabid anti-u$ fanatic). You can argue that the P910a's design might result in higher strain on the hinges. But I found the hinges to be pretty sturdy and I always use my index fingers to support the body of the phone while I use the thumb to do the typing. This is a step back for the P series and i hope SonyEricsson will change it. >I have a p910a (and had a p800 before that) and one of the things that > really stand out is the keyboard on the back of the keyflip. The [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > This is a step back for the P series and i hope SonyEricsson will > change it. I own a P910i and it is quite a good phone, but as a PDA replacement it's a failure. I just love my Palm T3, the screen quality is much better than the P910i and the applications are also better. As a temporary replacement it works if you don't want to carry two devices around (only one shirt pocket!) and the camera is toilet. Martin I agree with you! I was waiting for this but if it is coming out with the hard keyboard I am going to start looking at Pocketpc!! >I have a p910a (and had a p800 before that) and one of the things that > really stand out is the keyboard on the back of the keyflip. The [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > This is a step back for the P series and i hope SonyEricsson will > change it. >I agree with you! I was waiting for this but if it is coming out with the >hard keyboard I am going to start looking at Pocketpc!! I own an old Pocket PC which I now use for GPS in the car and HPC (LG Phenom) a Psion 3a, a Psion 5mx a Sony Clie TJ35 a Palm T3 and the P910i. Out of all those none of them is perfect. The LG Phenom has a really good keyboard and screen but is bulky, the Psion 3a is really just an organiser, the Psion 5mx is a great machine for writing long emails and web browsing and the T3 is a good all rounder when used with a Bluetooth keyboard. But overall none of them are perfect. The P910i is good for short term use, but I feel the ultimate PDA is still to be built. Martin > I own an old Pocket PC which I now use for GPS in the car and HPC (LG > Phenom) a Psion 3a, a Psion 5mx a Sony Clie TJ35 a Palm T3 and the P910i. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > But overall none of them are perfect. The P910i is good for short term > use, but I feel the ultimate PDA is still to be built. Agree with all the sentiments expressed here - having read this review, the P990's not likely to be my next phone. Looks like it'll be the the Samsung SGH-i300, to be honest....  SignatureChris : ) I fully agree with you. I use the keyboard of my P910i pretty often and it really looks like a good compromise. If my understanding of the review and the pictures is right, the P990 puts the keyboard on the lower half of the screen, ie, under the keyflip. However, that means that the size of the display is cut by a third at least. That is also a huge step back for any of the PDA functionalities that I use daily (calendar, various databases, web browsing, etc). If it stays that way, I am afraid my next phone/pda will not be the P990... :-( Ivan -------- Original Message -------- From: "veerags" <veerar@gmail.com> To: Subject: Re:New P990 review Date: 11/10/2005 18:44 > I have a p910a (and had a p800 before that) and one of the things that > really stand out is the keyboard on the back of the keyflip. The [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > This is a step back for the P series and i hope SonyEricsson will > change it. > I fully agree with you. I use the keyboard of my P910i pretty often and it > really looks like a good compromise. If my understanding of the review and the > pictures is right, the P990 puts the keyboard on the lower half of the screen, > ie, under the keyflip. However, that means that the size of the display is cut > by a third at least. Have a look at the resolution please. Oliver > > I fully agree with you. I use the keyboard of my P910i pretty often and it > > really looks like a good compromise. If my understanding of the review and the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Have a look at the resolution please. I agree with yoru sentiment. One of the things that I've always disliked about the P800/900/910 was the weird screen aspect. It's way too narrow for me to use efficiently. Shak >> > I fully agree with you. I use the keyboard of my P910i pretty often and > it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Shak Not only that but if you use the full screen with the flip down I find that the phone won't stand up properly in the cradle of my Bluetooth Keyboard. It is too narrow as well. Martin I was talking about the screen size. >I was talking about the screen size. 2.8" diagonal on both the P900/910 and the P990. andyt -------- Original Message -------- From: Andy Turner <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> To: Subject: Re:New P990 review Date: 17/10/2005 17:55 >>I was talking about the screen size. > > 2.8" diagonal on both the P900/910 and the P990. yes but part of the P990's screen is used by the keyboard, that is the problem... And the resolution is not a solution (although it helps). It gives the possibility to display much smaller characters, for example, but that makes it still difficult to read. I would still prefer a high resolution (like P990) with an external keyboard (like the P910i). It seems I will not get it... Ivan > andyt >-------- Original Message -------- >From: Andy Turner <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >yes but part of the P990's screen is used by the keyboard, that is the problem... Eh? No it isn't! The keyboard is a physical keyboard. The screen that sits above it is 2.8" diagonal, same as the P910. It's shorter, but it's wider. >And the resolution is not a solution (although it helps). It gives the >possibility to display much smaller characters, for example, but that makes it >still difficult to read. In theory I guess, but it depends how well they use the colours to do intelligent font smoothing (like on TrueType). The Treo has a hell of a resolution but is beautifully easy to read. >I would still prefer a high resolution (like P990) with an external keyboard >(like the P910i). It seems I will not get it... Perhaps if they get enough requests they'll consider it. Personally, half the reason I stuck with a P900 was that I didn't like the keyboard flip on the P910. I'm very much looking forward to the P990. andyt > I fully agree with you. I use the keyboard of my P910i pretty often and it > really looks like a good compromise. If my understanding of the review and the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ivan I would have to agree also. I really like the big screen on the 910. You can talk about resolutions, but then if its too high, it just makes it harder to read. Its a pity they couldn't find a better solution to the 910's shortcomings. eg redesign of the flap (maybe a popkeys type flap) or reversible flap or something. w4tch3r yep - I like the keyboard on the flap to. I run IM sessions on the phone and its idea for that. >>I fully agree with you. I use the keyboard of my P910i pretty often and it >>really looks like a good compromise. If my understanding of the review and the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > w4tch3r Problem is and will be until the flexi screens become reality the size of the screen. Using a pocketpc as a phone makes you look like a nob, no excuses please you know what I mean ! :-) The p910 etc is the trade off. Its smaller so you can maintain your dignity but also useful for what it targets itself as. Like most here I've tried all types of these devices and found the p910 the best so far. I do agree with the earlier statement of the perfect pda/phone hasn't been designed yet. It will be once my first statement comes true tho. :-) P910 is the bes -- Danije True, SE did made some design errors with the P990. The screen size was not reduced by much, but for users who want this a PDA (SE intend us to use it as PDA...) it is too much. In anycase, the issue here is: when browsing the net with the P990, th display will be landscape. How do any 1 should type URL? turn over th phone? - the keyboard is fixed on portrait. In anycase - by the time P990 will be released, it will be old phon supporting only UMTS while there will be phone who support both UMT and HDSPA. Its also support only 802.11b if you are looking for PDA/Phone, get the imate K-JAM. True, it suppor only EDGE, but it have a larger screen, a better keyboard (landscape and better wireless - 802.11b/g In anycase, by the time the P990 will be out, the HTC-Hermes will b out as well, supporting 802.11b/g, HDSPA and hell knows what more :) Ila ilanshp schrieb: > True, SE did made some design errors with the P990. > Its also support only 802.11b One truly has to wonder whether someone in charge at SE lost his mind. 11b is not last year's tech, it is tech from the last *millennium*. It seems ridiculous that the phone is delayed for this long, and then we get what? A cardscanner? WTF is WRONG with SE?! Oliver :( >ilanshp schrieb: >> True, SE did made some design errors with the P990. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Oliver :( There isn't a good reason to use anything other than 11b. It is fully compatible with 11g, and there is no way the phone can make effective use of 54mb/sec, in fact it probably has a hard time making use of much more than a few hundred kb/sec. In short, what the hell difference does it make if it only supports 802.11b? matt weber schrieb: > There isn't a good reason to use anything other than 11b. It is fully > compatible with 11g, and there is no way the phone can make effective [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > In short, what the hell difference does it make if it only supports > 802.11b? It does if you want to use it in a 11g network (say as a remote for your stereo, or whatever) and do not want said network to fall back into 11g/b mixedmode. Some people might actually need more than the 4-5Mbit of 11b realworld performance. If the P990i magically avoids the fallback please enligthen me with a source for this information, it would make my day. Oliver > matt weber schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > realworld performance. If the P990i magically avoids the fallback please > enligthen me with a source for this information, it would make my day. I'd rather see the source of information which contains detailed information on how the hell the lousy p990 components would cope with 802.11g; uses more cpu-power (due to the way wireless is implemented in PDA's and the like), plus I can't see it utilising the max speeds available on g. Taylor schrieb: > I'd rather see the source of information which contains detailed information > on how the hell the lousy p990 components would cope with 802.11g; uses more > cpu-power (due to the way wireless is implemented in PDA's and the like), > plus I can't see it utilising the max speeds available on g. Good one *g* I don't give much about the how. I'm sure it would be well possible to implement a manual option for the standard. Use 11b to save power, use 11g when you need it. My, it might even just simulate is has 11g and internally limit to 11Mbit, just as long as it doesn't need a 11b/g mixedmode network. It is not about the speed available on the phone, it is about the phone choking the network. Oliver Oliver Brose Wrote: > Taylor schrieb: > Good one *g* > I don't give much about the how. I'm sure it would be well possible to > implement a manual option for the standard. Use 11b to save power, use > 11g when you need it. > Oliver Sorry for my ignorance, but the P990 support only 11b, how can you us 11g if it's not available on the phone? If it's only software upgrade, then it's ok, but if it is hardwar issue then 11g is just not available in any case. again, the phone won't support HDSPA. This is a hardware issue. SE stated: "*3G - speed is the issue*" This is taken from their website... Well, if it's an issue, UMTS is not the newest tech and for a 1000 phone who suppose to be the leading device it just aint enoug ilanshp schrieb: > Oliver Brose Wrote: >> Taylor schrieb: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If it's only software upgrade, then it's ok, but if it is hardware > issue then 11g is just not available in any case. Exactly. My idea was that they *should* have implemented 11g hardware that one can set to one's liking instead. Oliver >ilanshp schrieb: >> Oliver Brose Wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Exactly. My idea was that they *should* have implemented 11g hardware >that one can set to one's liking instead. Isn't 11b 10mbits already? How many times do you find yourself on a internet connection faster than that? I doubt that the P990 is going to support navigating your local PC network and copying files so I don't see any point at all in having 11g. Ed Chilada schrieb: > Isn't 11b 10mbits already? No, its 11. Theoretically. But with error correction and all other bla bla it is much more like 4-5 realworld. If you have good coverage. Throw in a couple of devices, multi mbit internet, and you're out of bandwitdh quite soon. I know it, I have this situation right here. In short, 11b sucks. If 11b did not suck, there would not be 11g or higher. > How many times do you find yourself on a > internet connection faster than that? Ed, rarely, but again and again, this is *not* about connecting the P990i to the internet. Sure, you may use the WLAN for that, but it has plenty other applications too. > I doubt that the P990 is going to support navigating your local PC network and copying files so I > don't see any point at all in having 11g. I on the contrary doubt that apps like Salling Clicker will not take advantage of the WLAN capability. There is absolutely zero reason why it should not be possible to use the phone as a regular network device too. Zero. Get over it, SE is going to sell you a megabuck phone with technology that was cool in 1999 but looks pathetic on any device claiming to be state of the art in 2006. Oliver >Oliver Brose Wrote: >> Taylor schrieb: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Sorry for my ignorance, but the P990 support only 11b, how can you use >11g if it's not available on the phone? Because 802.11g is an inclusive standard, and while using 802.11b on an 802.11g network degrades performance, the standard requires 802.11b to be supported on 802.11g networks. As for network chocking, even video will run quite well with a 5mbit/second bandwidth. Most airport hostspots are only T1 (1.5 mb/sec) anyway, and I don't see them choking anyone. >If it's only software upgrade, then it's ok, but if it is hardware >issue then 11g is just not available in any case. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Well, if it's an issue, UMTS is not the newest tech and for a 1000$ >phone who suppose to be the leading device it just aint enough >matt weber schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Oliver How many places have you been where the underlying network capacity is more than 5mb/sec? 802.11b presence on a 802.11g network does degrade performance, but only when it is active. What portion of the time do you suppose a network connection at 11mb/sec to a mobile phone is going to be active? NOT MUCH!! As I said, it just isn't likely to make any real difference. > How many places have you been where the underlying network capacity is > more than 5mb/sec? 802.11b presence on a 802.11g network does degrade [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > As I said, it just isn't likely to make any real difference. All you guys posting here make good points - in my case, though, it's a little academic; my P900's screen's dead and I need a new phone yesterday ;-) No P990? Then it's back to Windows Mobile, probably a Qtek 8300 (WLAN vital, still want phone functionality rather than a pure PDA). I'd love to get myself a P990 (no other phone is quite as versatile), but just can't wait any longer :-/ SignatureZom : ) |
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