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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Fido / January 2005SMS Charges from & when overseas
Hi, I'm planning a trip to Europe; and willing to use my Fido over there I spent a lot of time browsing around Fido's site to find the info I needed (well documented, nothing I can say about it); I found every particular phone costs during prime time or not; incoming outgoing, everything; but I don't think I say anything about SMS; If anybody knows: What does it costs to send an SMS From Europe (let's say Orange) to Microcell ? And what's the reverse cost ? Thanks for the info! pmb It's 30 cents + regular charges. You can find it in fine prints at the bottom of this page: http://www.fido.ca/portal/packages/international.jsp?lang=en Clik on "view the rates of each fido roaming partners" then at the very bottom you will see it! Not easy, I think I saw it elsewhere but I don't remember. Anyway, at this price it's better to call! But not with the Fido, just check the rates. If you go to one contry like France or Italy, buy a prepaid SIM card there with a local number and, before put it in the phone, foward your fido number to it. You need an unlock phone to do this. This way people in Canada can still call you and you will pay about half the cost (.45 instead of 1$ for France). The pepole in the country will pay regular cell phone rate (which is sometimes higher than call in canada, but try to explain this to them!) and you pay nothing to receive. also SMS will be more cheaper. > Hi, > I'm planning a trip to Europe; [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > pmb Thanks for the info but if I forward all my fido calls to a local one, won't I be charge the airtime when forwarding ? pmb > It's 30 cents + regular charges. You can find it in fine prints at the > bottom of this page: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > > pmb >Thanks for the info > >but if I forward all my fido calls to a local one, won't I be charge the >airtime when forwarding ? You will be charged airtime and long distance. That's what I thought; so it means i'd be best off just with my phone alone ? pmb > >Thanks for the info > > > >but if I forward all my fido calls to a local one, won't I be charge the > >airtime when forwarding ? > > You will be charged airtime and long distance. Check the roaming rates. For exemple France: 42cents/min for fowarding (regular long distance to french cellular) no airtime (you got 1000 min of fowarding) For roaming it's 1$/min to receive. Also if somebody call you from France it need to call your fido number in canada, then the call is send back to france. Result: he pay and you pay. If you get a local SIM you pay nothing and he pay regular call to cell phone. Prepaid local Roaming Call form Canada .42 1.00 Call from France 0 1.00 Call you make local .4 euro .57 to 1.41 Call to canada .75 euro 1.32 to 2.05 But you need to buy a prepaid card 20-30 euros. So it will depend of how often you will use your phone. If it's just for a few calls, it's not worth it. > That's what I thought; > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > You will be charged airtime and long distance. [...] > price it's better to call! But not with the Fido, just check the rates. If > you go to one contry like France or Italy, buy a prepaid SIM card there with > a local number and, before put it in the phone, foward your fido number to > it. You need an unlock phone to do this. This way people in Canada can [...] Not to mention that those prepaid accounts have an expiry date of 12 months even if you refill them with as little as 5 euros and will allow you to roam anywhere in the world... > [...] >> price it's better to call! But not with the Fido, just check the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > months even if you refill them with as little as 5 euros and will allow > you to roam anywhere in the world... Yup, I can confirm that part. Got a Sim in Austria, 12 month expiry, any refill extends that again to 12 months from date of refill. The phone worked without issue in Germany and Holland (got a cool sms saying "welcome to holland, you can use you phone normally" when I turned it on after the flight). Landed in Canada, turned on the phone, tried to call and got a "sorry, can't let you do that Dave...". Checked the manual, turns out they have a "call back" service in countries where you can't direct dial, all you do is key in the number you want to call, i.e.: *110*4165551212# and press send. Your phone rings after a few seconds and when you pick up it dials the number you keyed in earlier. I confirmed that worked. Also if someone calls my Austria number my phone rings in Canada, and the call is free to me! (ALL incoming calls are free in Europe). Europeans are SO far ahead of us when it comes to Cell phones it's scary... >Also if someone calls my Austria number my phone rings in Canada, and the >call is free to me! (ALL incoming calls are free in Europe). Nope. If you are outside the SIMs country you will pay long distance to deliver the call to you in Canada which will be deducted from your account. It's only free in the home country. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>Also if someone calls my Austria number my phone rings in Canada, and the >>call is free to me! (ALL incoming calls are free in Europe). > > Nope. If you are outside the SIMs country you will pay long distance to > deliver the call to you in Canada which will be deducted from your > account. It's only free in the home country. Odd, since I tried it 3 times, talked for a minute or two each time, and then checked my balance, and it hadn't changed. I was charged extra on the OTHER side to call my cell (used VOIP), but the cell's account was not charged a single Euro cent. I also received a call in Amsterdam and didn't get charged for it either. Calling out of course cost me. Maybe SIMs from whatever country you are referring to are different, but that's how my account from Austria works. TTYL > Odd, since I tried it 3 times, talked for a minute or two each time, and > then checked my balance, and it hadn't changed. I was charged extra on the > OTHER side to call my cell (used VOIP), but the cell's account was not > charged a single Euro cent. If, for instance, you are roaming in Fido territory with a SIM card from Austria, you need to be aware that it takes a while before Microcell bills the austrian telco for the airtime you used while on Fido's network. This is one reason Fido's prepaid service doesn't allow roaming since there is no easy way for Fido to instantly deduct your airtime. You could abuse your phone for a whole month before Microcell would get a bill for your usage from US networks and the total would be way above what your SIM card had been prepaid to use. >> Odd, since I tried it 3 times, talked for a minute or two each time, and >> then checked my balance, and it hadn't changed. I was charged extra on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Austria, you need to be aware that it takes a while before Microcell bills > the austrian telco for the airtime you used while on Fido's network. It's been a month and still no change in the balance. Sorry JF, but Europe is far beyond us when it comes to cells phones, they keep things simple. > It's been a month and still no change in the balance. Sorry JF, but Europe > is far beyond us when it comes to cells phones, they keep things simple. When you have a european SIM on a canadian network, it doesn't matter how advanced europe is. It is the canadian network that sends bills to the foreign networks, and if it takes 3 months for those bills to be sent, it takes 3 montns before any charges can appear. And there are times when one might never see the charges. (That was especially the case in the early days of Fido when billing wasn't really all setup for roaming with any network). >> It's been a month and still no change in the balance. Sorry JF, but >> Europe is far beyond us when it comes to cells phones, they keep things [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > foreign networks, and if it takes 3 months for those bills to be sent, it > takes 3 montns before any charges can appear. But if the roaming agreement allows for free incoming calls (which makes sense, Europeans don't know it any other way) there would never be a charge. I don't expect to ever see a debit due to those trials. You just spewing stuff out your butt again JF? No wonder you have so many trolls after you... > But if the roaming agreement allows for free incoming calls (which makes > sense, Europeans don't know it any other way) there would never be a > charge. I don't expect to ever see a debit due to those trials. Fair enough. But Microcell will still bill the austrian network for the airtime you used while you were here. Howveer, I just realised that someone calling the austrian number will end up generating revenu for the austrian telco since it is a caller pays scenario. So they do get paid for the inbound call and can then pay microcell's bills whenever they arrive. HOWEVER, when you make a call while inside Microcell's network on your austrian SIM card, the situation is exactly as I described it: the Austrian telco won't know how much airtime you used for outbound calls until Microcell sends them a taope (or whatever electronic format they may have evolved to) with your phone calls listed. Only at that point can the austrian telco deduct your airtime from your prepaid card (or your postpaid account). >> But if the roaming agreement allows for free incoming calls (which makes >> sense, Europeans don't know it any other way) there would never be a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > austrian telco deduct your airtime from your prepaid card (or your > postpaid account). Guess you didn't read my post. I can't "call out" with that sim. They use a "call back" method of "calling out" (that way they don't have to wait for the Canadian carrier to submit the charges). Try reading a thread before responding... |
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