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M - 24 Nov 2005 02:21 GMT

I'm using wap.fido.ca since I'm on prepaid... when I visit some sites like
PayPal and RoyalBank, it loads but doesn't load 100% of the page.. just like
a small portion then Pocket IE says the page could not be found. Why is
this? I'm using a HP iPAQ 6315 if you need to know.

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JF Mezei - 24 Nov 2005 12:17 GMT

> I'm using wap.fido.ca since I'm on prepaid... when I visit some sites like
> PayPal and RoyalBank, it loads but doesn't load 100% of the page.. just like
> a small portion then Pocket IE says the page could not be found. Why is
> this? I'm using a HP iPAQ 6315 if you need to know.

Can you give an exact URL for a WAP page which doesn't work ?

Are you asking to load images ?

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M - 25 Nov 2005 01:01 GMT

The page in PayPal after u login after you wait 5 seconds for it to refresh,
its the page with your recent activities / account balance page. It shows
the menu and all, but It doesnt show balnace or history cause IE goes Page

For RBC, its the online banking login page (royalbank.ca >> click Online
Banking)
It shows everything up till the Pasword input.and up comes a popup saying
The page you are looking for cannot be found.

>> I'm using wap.fido.ca since I'm on prepaid... when I visit some sites
>> like
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>
> Are you asking to load images ?

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JF Mezei - 25 Nov 2005 01:58 GMT

> For RBC, its the online banking login page (royalbank.ca >> click Online
> Banking)

http://royalbank.ca doesn't give WAP. It gives HTML which is then
converted to WAP by the Fido/rogers gateway with many limitations on how
HTML is mapped to WAP. In my case, the document is too large for my handset.

I tried http://wap.royalbank.ca and it gave me a "502 Bad gateway".

nslookup can't resolve wap.royalbank.ca are you sure that bank has a wap
site ?

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M - 25 Nov 2005 03:19 GMT

No they dont't have a WAP site.
I'm just browsing like normal, full HTML like on a desktop.
Sites like Canada.com and Google all work fine- its just "some" sites.

>> For RBC, its the online banking login page (royalbank.ca >> click Online
>> Banking)
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> nslookup can't resolve wap.royalbank.ca are you sure that bank has a wap
> site ?

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JF Mezei - 25 Nov 2005 04:57 GMT

> No they dont't have a WAP site.
> I'm just browsing like normal, full HTML like on a desktop.
> Sites like Canada.com and Google all work fine- its just "some" sites.

If you are using a WAP browser to access HTML sites, many HTML features
don't render. Also, any site that relies on javascript to create the
document atthe client site (document.write function) will fail because
the WAP translator does not execute javascript.

WAP was designed to prevent graphic designers from ruining WAP like they
did for HTML by abusing jgraphics and javascript.

You may wish to run the offending pages thorugh validator.w3.org ... If
it finds many errors and document structure inconsistencies, then you
can't expect the HTML->WAP translator to properly render the document
into WAP. As an example, Air Canada's HTML generally generates over 100
errors. When Jet Blue went under, AC had a 2 paragraph press release
which generated some 700 HTML errors.

That is why finding a real WAP site for mobile browsing makes a HUGE
difference. Those sites are designed for function before form. (except
for the FIDO home page which is designed to consume bandwidth by forcing
users to load images).

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M - 25 Nov 2005 07:37 GMT

I'm actually using Pocket Internet Explorer, not a WAP browser.
It all works if I connect to the internet over wifi but if I connect WAP
GPRS, that problem occurs.

If I disable Javascript on my desktop and goto the login page of RBC, it
says I must enable Javascript to use online banking so since I don't see it
in my Pocket IE, then I believe my JS is on.

>> No they dont't have a WAP site.
>> I'm just browsing like normal, full HTML like on a desktop.
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> for the FIDO home page which is designed to consume bandwidth by forcing
> users to load images).

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M - 25 Nov 2005 07:53 GMT

Ok well I found what the problem was sorta.. I just installed NetFront
(alternative web browser) and all the pages with problems I had with Pocket
IE seem to be gone and works great. Altho I wonder what the problem was
exactly.

> I'm actually using Pocket Internet Explorer, not a WAP browser.
> It all works if I connect to the internet over wifi but if I connect WAP
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>> for the FIDO home page which is designed to consume bandwidth by forcing
>> users to load images).

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JF Mezei - 26 Nov 2005 01:32 GMT

> I'm actually using Pocket Internet Explorer, not a WAP browser.
> It all works if I connect to the internet over wifi but if I connect WAP
> GPRS, that problem occurs.

GPRS is an internet connection.

WAP is is specific protocol that uses GPRS and the handset talks to a
WAP gateway at Fido which provides all the content in compressed form.
That gateway fetches data via HTTP protocol from remote servers. If the
content is served as HTML, the gateway first converts it to WAP and then
compiles the WAP into binary WAP before transkission to the handset.

So you should not mention "WAP" if you are using a regular HTML browser
and just using the GPRS connection and not the WAP gateway. You should
just say "GPRS" connection.

Note that for prepaid, FIDO does not offer raw GPRS connection, they
only allow WAP connections.

Fido also offers a HTML proxy "rapido.fido.ca" which degrades image
quality to reduce transmission costs/time between it and your handset.

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