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Fido overnight support going down in quality

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JF Mezei - 07 Feb 2007 07:31 GMT
Try to send email from my Fido in wee hours of morning.

Failed.  Checked that "grps.fido.ca" is still the valid outgoing smtp
server and it is according to
http://www.fido.ca/portal/en/support/internet.shtml#six

It just isn't reponding. Interestingly, the handset doesn't report lack of
connection, nor times out. Just keeps saying "Connecting".

So, I call the fido 888 number, press 0 to speak to a rep, am told their
offices are closed and given opportunity to press 1 to report network problems.

Lady answers. "What's the emergency".  I ask if there are known problesm
with the gprs.fido.ca server because I cannot send emails.

Answer: "You have to wait until 08:00 when our offices open".

I tried to convince her that this was a network problem but she was not
interested at all in even taking note of it, stating that they don't do any
of this when offices are closed.

In the past, the overnight crew were interested and aware of gprs issues.
(for instance, they would be aware if parts were down due to maintenance,
or at least spend a few seconds checking on their computer for reports of
outages). This lady spent more time repeating that she couldn't do this and
I had to wait until 08:00 than it would have taken to check if it was a
known problem on her computer. Perhaps she didn't want to interrupt her
game of solitaire.

Perhaps the night crew should be told that they are reached to report
network problems, there aren't reached for emergencies (the recorded
messagh tells us to call 911 for emergencies).
Joel Robinson - 07 Feb 2007 16:53 GMT
Also experiencing no ability to send.

Am on hold with fido who are doing the usual song and dance about checking
my account etc.

Expect them to blame it on rogers again.

Stay tooned.
> Try to send email from my Fido in wee hours of morning.
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> network problems, there aren't reached for emergencies (the recorded
> messagh tells us to call 911 for emergencies).
Joel Robinson - 07 Feb 2007 16:59 GMT
Now they admit there may be a problem but now want details on my "pop"
server which i explained is totally irrelevant but i provided it anyways.

> Also experiencing no ability to send.
>
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>> network problems, there aren't reached for emergencies (the recorded
>> messagh tells us to call 911 for emergencies).
Joel Robinson - 07 Feb 2007 17:00 GMT
They have no idea of the problem but are now "working on it".

At least 2 complaints - me and someone else this morning.

> Now they admit there may be a problem but now want details on my "pop"
> server which i explained is totally irrelevant but i provided it anyways.
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>>> network problems, there aren't reached for emergencies (the recorded
>>> messagh tells us to call 911 for emergencies).
JF Mezei - 07 Feb 2007 19:50 GMT
> Now they admit there may be a problem but now want details on my "pop"
> server which i explained is totally irrelevant but i provided it anyways.

I can access GPRS. I can access my pop server from my handset.

But trying to access the Fido SMTP server (gprs.fido.ca) causes my phone to
just jam while trying to connect. (to a point where may basic functiosn no
longer work afterwards and I have to turn off/on my handset.

I can connect to my SMTP server from my handset and send emails to my
server without problem. (I had to allow certain IP ranges since the IPs
given to handsets have no reverse translation and hence emails sent by
handsets to "foreign" SMTP servers are seen as spam.
Harry Eugene Ly - 07 Feb 2007 23:49 GMT
I can also access GPRS. I've been using it to access my Gmail on my Treo 650
without any issues as well as for getting stock updates. I haven't had any
problems (this week).

> > Now they admit there may be a problem but now want details on my "pop"
> > server which i explained is totally irrelevant but i provided it anyways.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> given to handsets have no reverse translation and hence emails sent by
> handsets to "foreign" SMTP servers are seen as spam.
JF Mezei - 08 Feb 2007 15:01 GMT
The plot thickens.

Called this morning to find out if they had a new ETA on when the smtp
server is to be fixed.

They have no log of my calling on wednesday 01:30 to report problem, (the
idiot lady who refused to take down network problem report), or wednesday
mid-day when I was told quickly that they were aware of the problem since
tuesday afternoon and that it should be fixed by thursday.

This time, the guy had to check with the technical support people and came
back with a "we're only aware of the server going down this morning".

He opened a ticket. If, within 48 hours, the problem has not been solved, I
will be allowed to talk to a real support person. But not before.

So, the morale of the story, when you call to report a problem, insit that
the person log your call in your file, even if she refuses to help you with
the rest. This way, the 48 hour timer starts at that time.

I guess Rogers doesn't care about a critical server being down for multiple
days.
Joel Robinson - 08 Feb 2007 21:19 GMT
They acknowledge there is a problem with sending email thru gprs.fido.ca.

They did think it might be fixed by Thursday.

As of this am, it was still down and for now, I am sending my outbound thru
gmail account - not ideal but working.

> The plot thickens.
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> I guess Rogers doesn't care about a critical server being down for
> multiple days.
JF Mezei - 09 Feb 2007 07:17 GMT
> As of this am, it was still down and for now, I am sending my outbound thru
> gmail account - not ideal but working.

Well, it is now Friday AM, and the gprs.smtp.fido smtp server is still down.

Interestingly, when , from the outside, one tries to telnet to it:

$ telnet/port=25 gprs.fido.ca
%TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 204.92.15.150
%TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... ::6000:0:3b:7777
%TELNET-E-CONNFAIL, Failed to connect to remote host
-SYSTEM-F-PROTOCOL, network protocol error

I am not sure what triggers my telnet to try an IPv6 address.  But that
doesn't happen to any other destination I try to telnet to. ( I don't
expect that server to accept a call coming from the internet as it is
destined to accept calls from within the GPRS network, but it should just
say "call rejected" or some other similar message.

Interesting that the actual GPRS is working (eg: accessing sites that are
outside Fido's network.

What I find unacceptable is that Fido is allowing a key server to remain
down for days (since tuesday afternoon). Had this been a bank or any other
serious outfit, the management would have ordered a roll back after half an
hour of downtime, bringing the server back to whatever it was prior to
whatevver change they made that caused it to fail.

4 days of downtime means very poor management, pituful change management
and change planning.
JF Mezei - 09 Feb 2007 19:54 GMT
As of Friday Afternoon:

gprs.fido.ca now responds and *appears* to succesfully receive emails from
handsets.

However, the emails you send do not get delivered.

Called Fido. They are aware that the problem isn't fully resolved yet. NO
ETA provided on what it will be fixed.

BAD DOG FIDO !

Shows how the Rogers attitudes on terrible quality have propapaged to Fido.

Having such a business critical syste down for 3 to 4 days is unacceptable
in this day and age.
JF Mezei - 07 Feb 2007 17:00 GMT
> Also experiencing no ability to send.
>
> Am on hold with fido who are doing the usual song and dance about checking
> my account etc.

I called an hour ago. It didn't take long for the 4 legged furry CSR to
confirm that they had been having problems with the mail servers and that
they expect service to be restored by THURSDAY !.

This has supposedly been going on since tuesday afternoon.

I complained about the night shift handling and the guy agreed that this
should have happened, he confirmed that they are there for people to report
 network problems, get passwords changed, report stolen handsets etc.
chipNcharge - 13 Feb 2007 04:37 GMT
> Try to send email from my Fido in wee hours of morning.
>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> network problems, there aren't reached for emergencies (the recorded
> messagh tells us to call 911 for emergencies).

All FIDO services are bad!!! Try to renew prepaid thru their web site
and of course, as usual, their server is down. This happened for 2nd
time. And it will not be up before 23h59 so i loose accumulated
minutes.  Phone service are closed after 17h00. FIdo does this on
purpose so we cannot accumulated unused minutes. This is so
dishonnest. All cell phone providers to the same but Fido is only one
with Rogers to offer GSM. we do no have much of a back door,
unfortunately.
 
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