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Brani - 19 Nov 2003 21:23 GMT
Hi Guys!

Today my Fido phone rang about 3PM, it was a private number. I picked
and male voice  (sounded like pre recorded) spilled out on me that it's
finally time to switch to the right provider - Telus - with so and so
and bla and bla...

Has anybody had similar experience?

F.... bastards!!!!

Is there any institution where I can submit my complaint? Do they have
legal right to do that? May I sue them? What can I do? I'm really
pissed! Not only by this particular incident but also by the whole dirty
advertising campaign orchestrated by Telus and Rogers. Please understand
me: I'm not Fido fanatic or something, but I'm just an average satisfied
customer and all this has reached the level which is far beyond fair
competition.... And that call just nailed that.

Any idea?

Thanks,

Brani
repatch - 19 Nov 2003 22:12 GMT
> Hi Guys!
>
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>
> Any idea?

   I got a similar call, although mine was directo to voicemail, and I
completely agree with you. I thought about demanding the $0.16 it cost me to
pick up the message from Telus, just the annoyance to them might be worth it
to me, but if anyone has a better idea please let me know. I still have the
recording on my voicemail. TTYL
just Me - 20 Nov 2003 00:21 GMT
>> Hi Guys!
>>
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> be worth it to me, but if anyone has a better idea please let me know.
> I still have the recording on my voicemail. TTYL

How about complainning to the CRTC

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/RapidsCCM/Register.asp?lang=E

and wile you are at it why not do what I did and complain about Rogers
Bell and Telus not wanting number portability
repatch - 20 Nov 2003 04:42 GMT
> >> Hi Guys!
> >>
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> and wile you are at it why not do what I did and complain about Rogers
> Bell and Telus not wanting number portability

   Not "annoying" enough to the company that did it. In my case it was a
little shop in a mall that called me, I want THEM to feel something for
doing what they did. TTYL
Brani - 20 Nov 2003 20:29 GMT
Don't get rid of it "repatch". I'll get back to you via email, we may
come up with something...

Brani

> > Hi Guys!
> >
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> to me, but if anyone has a better idea please let me know. I still have the
> recording on my voicemail. TTYL
repatch - 20 Nov 2003 22:39 GMT
Well, FWIW I called Fido to complain and the CSR seemed to be quite
interested, I played back the voicemail, he wrote down a few things and said
they might call me back for more info. Hopefully something will be done
about it.

I'll record it to MP3 and post it somewhere if people are interested. TTYL

> Don't get rid of it "repatch". I'll get back to you via email, we may
> come up with something...
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> > to me, but if anyone has a better idea please let me know. I still have the
> > recording on my voicemail. TTYL
maltchev - 21 Nov 2003 10:34 GMT
repatch

if you can make an mp3, i will post in on my server.

whatever takes to stop this b*stards from stealing fido customers.

regards
maltchev - 20 Nov 2003 07:12 GMT
Just dial 611 and tell FIDO CS about this. I am sure you are not the only
customer and they will submit a complaint to CRTC.

It happened to me some two years ago. "F... bastards" is right...
Brani - 20 Nov 2003 20:18 GMT
Thanks for the feedback to all of you!

I calmed down a little but am still motivated enough to do what you've
suggested...

Brani
Jack - 21 Nov 2003 02:18 GMT
So you transferred your home number to Fido and now you're getting all these
telemarketers calling to your Fido phone. Why it's that much more irritating
than if they called to your wired phone? Did you complain to CRTC for every
telemarketing call you picked up on wired phone?
Not worth the time, don't talk to them and don't answer private or unknown
numbers, problem solved.

> Hi Guys!
>
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>
> Brani
toras - 22 Nov 2003 07:32 GMT
>So you transferred your home number to Fido and now you're getting all these
>telemarketers calling to your Fido phone.

I got the same message in my voicemail and I don't know how they got
my Fido number (maybe random dialing usiing Fido exchange?)

>Why it's that much more irritating than if they called to your wired phone?

When using my land line I don't pay by the minute (I'm on pre-paid
Fido).

>Did you complain to CRTC for every telemarketing call you picked up on wired phone?

I've never had telemarketing calls on my land line that say "it's time
to dump Bell completely and use our service instead".

>don't talk to them and don't answer private or unknown numbers, problem solved.

As I said I got it in my voicemail when my phone was off so I didn't
know who it was so have to pay to listen to the message. Being pissed
off I erased the message immediately. Now I regret it, I should have
called that number and give them a piece of my mind.
Jack - 22 Nov 2003 21:18 GMT
I've had telemarketing calls on my landline asking me to dump Telus landline
and sign up with Sprint.
Maybe I did if they called now as Telus is getting soo bad, no customer
service.

> >So you transferred your home number to Fido and now you're getting all these
> >telemarketers calling to your Fido phone.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> off I erased the message immediately. Now I regret it, I should have
> called that number and give them a piece of my mind.
Brani - 24 Nov 2003 15:14 GMT
> So you transferred your home number to Fido and now you're getting all these
> telemarketers calling to your Fido phone.

You write about something I'm not aware of.... I haven't transferred my
number, where did you get it?! I still got both phone services - regular
and cellular. And I do not plan to change it.

Don't waste energy based on wrong assumptions....

Brani
Adnan - 22 Nov 2003 04:32 GMT
> Hi Guys!
>
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>
> Brani

I got a message left directly on my voicemail from TELUS as well. f.ck
those bastards!

Adnan
Virago - 23 Nov 2003 23:54 GMT
I got a Call from a Telus agent who hardly spoke any English and was trying
to convince me to switch now. I hang up on him hearing his spam. A day later
I get an SMS from the guy with his name and phone number. I call him back
from our land line and the guy just wouldn't give up. He barks something
about a free phone and price match, blahblahblah. On the top of it all he
wanted me to travel to the east end of town to see him. I told him that I'll
I think about it.

Next step: I call Fido and asked for a manager. I told them everything and
he asked if I have the guy's info. I did. remember the SMS message?! :) Fido
said, they take care of it and they appreciate my loyalty.

If they call you again, ask for their name and number, than report em to
Fido. I think what they do is illegal.

Cheers

> Hi Guys!
>
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>
> Brani
RogerRabbit@NoWhere.com - 25 Nov 2003 04:48 GMT
>I got a Call from a Telus agent who hardly spoke any English and was trying
>to convince me to switch now. I hang up on him hearing his spam. A day later
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>If they call you again, ask for their name and number, than report em to
>Fido. I think what they do is illegal.
I suggest you either call telus , fax , them , email them, to let them
know your distaste for their vulgar business practice besides phoning
Fido
Peter Karwowski - 22 Dec 2003 17:40 GMT
Hate to revive an old thread but they're doing it again.

I just got a call on my cell phone from a blocked number.  I usually
don't answer those since it's usually a wrong number anyway.  At any
rate, the party in question left voice mail.

So I pick up my voicemail and lo and behold, it's Wireless Wave in
Oakville trying to get me to switch to Telus.

Two things that bug me about this:

1.  Wireless Wave is a Fido dealer.  Sure is nice to see how they're
loyal to their suppliers.  Bet they think the same about their
customers.

2.  When I called the number in the message (905-465-2837) to
complain, they were aware of the campaign but there was nobody there
in a "position of authority" to do something about it.  I asked them
to call me back so we can talk about how they're going to compensate
me for the hassle and the cost of the voice message.

If you get these messages, make sure you call them back and ream them
out for what they're doing.  If they get thousands of people clogging
up their systems being reamed out, they'll get the message.  I'm all
for business and the spirit of competition, but this really is pushing
things too far.

Spam phone voicemails are bad
Spam phone voicemails on the cell phone are worse.
Spam phone voicemails that cost you money are even worse.

>I got a Call from a Telus agent who hardly spoke any English and was trying
>to convince me to switch now. I hang up on him hearing his spam. A day later
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>>
>> Brani

---
Peter W.Karwowski (peter@karwowski.com)
Toronto, Ontario  Canada
Curmudgeon in training -- master of my own domain.
Deep - 23 Dec 2003 01:30 GMT
I sent a message to the CRTC complaints board and received this...
____________________________________________________________________________
______________

Dear Deep Mehta:

Thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention.

The Commission has established universal rules for telemarketers.  The
following is a link to our fact sheet
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/INFO_SHT/T22.htm.  You will note that callers are
to provide some means of contacting them so that subscribers can request
that their numbers be added to the 'do not call' list.  As well, ADADs
(automatic dialing and answering devices) are not to be used.

I have, therefore, taken the liberty of forwarding your letter to Telus
Mobility and would ask the company to advise their call centre of this
matter.  The Commission would appreciate a copy of its reply as well in due
course.

Regards,

Judy Henry
CRTC Client Services

1-877-249-2782 /info@crtc.gc.ca/ t?l?copieur/facsimile (819) 994-0218
Conseil de la radiodiffusion et des t?l?communications canadiennes / Ottawa,
Ontario K1A 0N2
Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission / Ottawa,
Ontario K1A 0N2
Gouvernement du Canada/Government of Canada

____________________________________________________________________________
_______________

I have yet to receive a response... I'll let everyone know what happens when
I get one.

Deep

> Hate to revive an old thread but they're doing it again.
>
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> Toronto, Ontario  Canada
> Curmudgeon in training -- master of my own domain.
Jeff Bamford - 23 Dec 2003 01:39 GMT
    I called Fido and mentioned the call I got.  Apparently they even
have a form the reps can fill out.  They've been getting a lot of
complaints about this.  The rep I spoke to had even been called herself.

Jeff
mistaroboto - 23 Dec 2003 02:47 GMT
Peter,

WirelessWave doesn't sell Telus products, they dropped Telus (clearnet) a
couple of years ago and went to Bell Mobility instead. I just tried calling
the number you listed below and it rang throughn with a message at the end
saying that "the mobile customer you are trying to call is unavailable".

Via a reverse number lookup it is
http://411ca.whitepages.com/search/Reverse_Phone?npa=905&phone=4652837
WirelessWizards, located at 2335 Trafalgar, Oakville, ON L6H 1A1, (905)
465-2837.

WirelessWizards are not a FIDO retailer in any way, shape, or form.

Microcell would deauthorize and take legal action against any authorized
FIDO retailer who would take part in this type of behavior. No ifs, ands, or
buts..

> Hate to revive an old thread but they're doing it again.
>
[quoted text clipped - 73 lines]
> Toronto, Ontario  Canada
> Curmudgeon in training -- master of my own domain.
Deep - 23 Dec 2003 04:36 GMT
Interesting... Woud they have any legal grounds against an authorized dealer
for being invloved in a promotion with a competitor? I can't see where they
would...

Deep

> Peter,
>
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> > Toronto, Ontario  Canada
> > Curmudgeon in training -- master of my own domain.
mistaroboto - 23 Dec 2003 15:19 GMT
> Interesting... Woud they have any legal grounds against an authorized dealer
> for being invloved in a promotion with a competitor? I can't see where they
> would...

ok
Deep - 23 Dec 2003 23:05 GMT
I was hoping you might provide insight as to how they would have grounds...

Deep

> > Interesting... Woud they have any legal grounds against an authorized
> dealer
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>
> ok
mistaroboto - 24 Dec 2003 00:51 GMT
> I was hoping you might provide insight as to how they would have grounds...

heh.. it's almost Christmas and I don't feel like being negative.
Deep - 24 Dec 2003 03:04 GMT
Alrightie then!

Deep

> > I was hoping you might provide insight as to how they would have
> grounds...
>
> heh.. it's almost Christmas and I don't feel like being negative.
I! - 21 Apr 2004 23:24 GMT
How about complaining to the Better Business Bureau's site www.bbbwo.com?

> Alrightie then!
>
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> >
> > heh.. it's almost Christmas and I don't feel like being negative.
Steve Punter - 23 Apr 2004 18:12 GMT
Contrary to what many people seem to believe, the BBB is not a consumer protection agency.
They will only intervene if the company you complain about is a member of the BBB. If
Telus isn't a member, there isn't anything the BBB can do for you.
Signature

Steve Punter
http://www.arcx.com/sites

Peter Karwowski - 23 Dec 2003 14:06 GMT
You're right.  Thank you for the clarification.  I stand corrected.

I listened to the message again and it is indeed "Wireless Wizzards"
not "wireless wave".  I guess  my anger clouded my vision.

(I definitely don't want to point an accusatory finger at an innocent
party and thought it was only proper to acknowledge the clarification
as soon as possible.)

--Peter

>Peter,
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>FIDO retailer who would take part in this type of behavior. No ifs, ands, or
>buts..

---
Peter W.Karwowski (peter@karwowski.com)
Toronto, Ontario  Canada
Curmudgeon in training -- master of my own domain.
 
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