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How to survive the coming cell-phone wars

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Bindy Johal - 22 Nov 2003 17:57 GMT
By Liz Pulliam Weston

You know that scene in "Gone with the Wind" where Scarlett O'Hara is
encircled by admirers fighting for her attention? Cell-phone users are about
to feel a lot like that.

Analysts expect a huge new wave of competition as cell-phone companies
battle for customers untethered by the new "portability" mandates. The rules
are scheduled to take effect Nov. 24 for the 100 largest U.S. markets. (To
see where these markets are, click on the link at left under Related Sites.)
The rules bring two important benefits for cell-phone users:

Consumers can keep their phone numbers when they change cell carriers.

Land-line numbers can be converted into cell-phone numbers.
Portability should take effect for the rest of the country by May 26. (All
this assumes the cell-phone companies don't derail implementation. They've
delayed the change for at least seven years, and there's a chance they could
persuade Congress to step in and put off the deadline yet again.) And some
30 million cell-phone customers may switch carriers in the first year,
predicts The Management Network Group, an Overland Park, Kan., company that
tracks cell-phone trends.

Everybody will want your business
Portability is expected to cause customer turnover to spike, because a
desire to keep the same phone number is often all that chains a cell-phone
user to a carrier. Analysts predict that great deals -- more minutes, cooler
phones, lower monthly fees, maybe even better service -- are on the horizon
as cell companies try to keep the users they have while stealing as many as
possible from each other.Money 2004.
Smarter, faster and easier
than ever.

"Portability, in my opinion, is going to be humongous" in its effect on the
industry, said Patrick McGugan, vice president of operations for TeleBright,
which allows consumers and businesses to compare cell-phone plans. "I expect
there to be an onslaught (of competitive offers) in the first several days
and weeks."

But don't let all the attention go to your head. If you rush to make a deal
prematurely, you could, just like Scarlett, quickly come to regret your
choice. Among the reasons:

Technical glitches. There may be some problems in the first few weeks as
carriers grapple with the logistics of "porting" numbers. "I would let the
first wave go past," McGugan said. "The first 30 days, 60 days -- whatever
glitches there will be are going to happen then."

Overly long commitments. Carriers currently are pushing two-year contracts,
and pushing them hard. The sort of perks that used to be available for
one-year signups -- bonus minutes, free phones -- are being withheld unless
you commit for 24 months. That pressure probably will intensify in the weeks
after Nov. 24, because the carriers want a cushion of locked-in customers to
help them survive the coming battles. But you don't want to bite, because:

The best deals are down the road. Nobody can predict when the industry's
feeding frenzy will reach its peak, but most analysts predict it will be
after Jan. 1. If your contract expires soon, you might want to go on a
month-to-month basis if your current carrier allows that, just so that you
can keep your options open.
"We generally expect the deals will get better" in the weeks and months
ahead, said Janee Briesemeister, Consumers Union senior policy analyst. "If
you can wait, you probably should."

To help give you some idea of the magnitude of this change on the industry,
consider that the average "churn" rate -- at which customers defect to
another carrier -- is currently somewhere between 2.5% and 3.5% a year,
according to The Management Network Group. The company expects that turnover
rate to zoom to 20% after Nov. 24.

The defections are expected to be even greater on the business level. Some
25% of the nation's largest companies are expected to switch carriers in the
coming months.

The bad news for consumers is that those big corporate buyers are going to
get the sweetest deals, as they always have. The big guys have lawyers,
professional negotiators and huge volumes on their side, Briesemeister
notes, while you just have your native cunning. But this situation is
nothing new.

"The consumer always bears the burden of corporate discounts," McGugan said.

What the cell-phone companies won't tell you
There are also some limits to portability and some things you should keep in
mind. Such as:

Portability is confined by region. You will be able to transfer your number
to another carrier within the same metropolitan area, but you won't be able
to take your number from your old home in San Francisco to your new one in
Chicago.

You'll probably need a new cell phone. While the number can come with you,
your cell phone is not likely to be compatible with your new carrier's
system.

Early termination fees still apply. This is a big one, since termination
fees average $150 to $200. Unless you really can't live with your current
carrier, it's usually smart to wait until your contract is up before
switching.

Your current carrier can't hold you hostage. Once you request that your
number be ported to a new carrier, your current carrier must comply, even if
you still have an unpaid balance or owe a termination fee. (You're still
obligated to pay what you owe, of course, but the carrier can't require you
to pay before "porting" you.)

You may face new fees. Your old carrier is allowed to charge you a
"reasonable" fee for switching, although your new carrier may pick up the
tab. (Be sure to ask.) Also, your new carrier may try to impose a much
steeper termination fee to keep you from switching again. McGugan said he
wouldn't be surprised if some carriers tried to double or triple their
current fees. "I could see some (carriers) saying, let's make it $600,"
McGugan said.
If the past is any guide, the high-charging carriers eventually will abandon
the fee hikes as savvy cell-phone users stampede to their competitors. But
you want to make sure you're not one of those unfortunates who get stuck in
the meantime.

As always, the best deals will require vigilance and reading the fine print.
Don't count on oral representations from the carrier's salespeople,
Briesemeister warned. The only contract that counts is the one you sign, so
read it carefully.

How to make the best of the situation
Here are some other suggestions for making the most of the coming cell wars:

Shop, shop, shop. Consumer Reports has a terrific comparison shopping tool
for subscribers on its Web site. Other Internet comparison sites include
TeleBright (which powers the Consumer Reports service) or SaveOnPhone.com.
Once you've seen what's out there, call your current carrier to see what
they offer. Many companies will try hard to keep you from switching,
Morningstar analyst Michael Hodel predicted, because acquiring a new
customer costs between $350 and $450.

Watch those fees. As noted above, termination fees could soar as carriers
attempt to lock in customers. Also, you'll want to ask about all the other
fees the carrier imposes, since these can vary widely.

Ask about the details. Carriers differ about many aspects of their plans,
including when off-peak hours start and stop, whether minutes can be rolled
over to the next month, when long distance and roaming charges apply and
whether incoming calls are free.

Don't cancel until your new service is in place. Switching from one cell
provider to another should take just a couple of hours, while porting a
number from a land line to a cell may take a few days. Keep your old service
until your new service is activated.

Use the grace period. Many carriers give you two weeks to try out your phone
and service, Briesemeister said, so make sure you use it. Employ your cell
phone everywhere you're likely to need it to make sure there aren't any
significant dead zones (like in your office or at home). If the service or
the plan isn't all you thought it would be, take the phone back and shop
some more.

Liz Pulliam Weston's column appears every Monday and Thursday, exclusively
on MSN Money. She also answers reader questions in the Your Money message
board.
Pavel - 23 Nov 2003 02:16 GMT
This is a US based report and just like overseas.  Plans and perks
will vary and will in now way assure the customers in Canada that they
will have similar benefits and promotions. Our Xmas season is always
the best for promo's and if we look at Canadian history, that would be
the best time to get a phone.

: By Liz Pulliam Weston
:
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: on MSN Money. She also answers reader questions in the Your Money message
: board.
repatch - 23 Nov 2003 17:28 GMT
Might be good to explain that this is about the states, and pretty much
doesn't affect anybody in Canada.

> By Liz Pulliam Weston
Super Dave - 24 Nov 2003 03:56 GMT
Quote from the article:
"The rules are scheduled to take effect Nov. 24 for the 100 largest U.S.
markets"
I'm sure any intelligent person could figure out this pertained to the
United Sates only..........at least for now

> Might be good to explain that this is about the states, and pretty much
> doesn't affect anybody in Canada.
Pavel - 24 Nov 2003 04:28 GMT
If that was the case, the original poster likely wouldn't have posted
the article. He probably skimmed through it like the "average joe"
would.

: Quote from the article:
: "The rules are scheduled to take effect Nov. 24 for the 100 largest U.S.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
: > Might be good to explain that this is about the states, and pretty much
: > doesn't affect anybody in Canada.
JF Mezei Bill Jowett - 24 Nov 2003 06:53 GMT
> If that was the case, the original poster likely wouldn't have posted
> the article. He probably skimmed through it like the "average joe"
> would.

Since number portability is starting to appear in canada (city fido in
vancouver being an example), this is perhaps the shape of things to come.

I think the article was very relevant to canada, not as something that will
happen in the next couple of weeks, but in the next couple of years.

Also, does AT&T (not sure about Telus and Bell) still have different pricing
depending on where you live ? If so, then B.C. rates might start to change
sooner in order to compete against the barking dog's new city fido plan.

It is a given however that those sweeter deals by the big guys will be tied to
longer or stricter contracts to prevent defections to competitors.
repatch - 24 Nov 2003 16:42 GMT
You'd have to read THROUGH the article to find that out. So, I would waste
my time, reading almost all the way through an article, only to find that it
doesn't even apply to me. That is simply misleading, irresponsible and just
plain rude. Since some of the groups crossposted to will only have people
outside of the states, where this article is of no interest, leaving that
important piece of information in a hard to find place is simply
"unintelligent".

> Quote from the article:
> "The rules are scheduled to take effect Nov. 24 for the 100 largest U.S.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> > Might be good to explain that this is about the states, and pretty much
> > doesn't affect anybody in Canada.
Super Dave - 25 Nov 2003 02:08 GMT
It wasn't in a hard to find place at all. Right at the beginning of the
article it said coming to the 100 largest US cities. I'm sure that many
Canadians watch with interest what happens in the US, since Canada usually
follows suit in many issues. It's not a matter of if LNP comes to Canada,
just a matter of when.

> You'd have to read THROUGH the article to find that out. So, I would waste
> my time, reading almost all the way through an article, only to find that it
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> important piece of information in a hard to find place is simply
> "unintelligent".
repatch - 25 Nov 2003 18:05 GMT
Sorry, no, the message was misleading and useless to most Canadians.

You obviously don't know how SLOW the CRTC can move on certain items. I
don't see number portability coming here for MANY years. TTYL

> It wasn't in a hard to find place at all. Right at the beginning of the
> article it said coming to the 100 largest US cities. I'm sure that many
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> > important piece of information in a hard to find place is simply
> > "unintelligent".
Super Dave - 25 Nov 2003 21:36 GMT
No, just useless to you perhaps. But that's no surprise anyway.

> Sorry, no, the message was misleading and useless to most Canadians.
repatch - 26 Nov 2003 00:11 GMT
Hehe, hook, line and sinker...

> No, just useless to you perhaps. But that's no surprise anyway.
>
> > Sorry, no, the message was misleading and useless to most Canadians.
Super Dave - 26 Nov 2003 06:20 GMT
Sorry I only understand the English language, not the juvenile one you seem
to speak.

> Hehe, hook, line and sinker...
repatch - 26 Nov 2003 23:56 GMT
Wow, that hurt, it really did... it's funny how low some people will stoop,
let's see how much farther I can get this one to go...

> Sorry I only understand the English language, not the juvenile one you seem
> to speak.
>
> > Hehe, hook, line and sinker...
Super Dave - 27 Nov 2003 05:19 GMT
You know what, all you ever do is criticize others posts. You never have
anything constructive to contribute. Therefore IMO opinion that makes you a
TROLL And you know what we do with trolls don't you?

> Wow, that hurt, it really did... it's funny how low some people will stoop,
> let's see how much farther I can get this one to go...
repatch - 27 Nov 2003 15:53 GMT
That is your opinion, I do sometimes make worthwhile contributions,
including what I'm doing with you right now.

> You know what, all you ever do is criticize others posts. You never have
> anything constructive to contribute. Therefore IMO opinion that makes you a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> stoop,
> > let's see how much farther I can get this one to go...
JF Mezei - 25 Nov 2003 21:45 GMT
> You obviously don't know how SLOW the CRTC can move on certain items. I
> don't see number portability coming here for MANY years. TTYL

Vancouver has it now. That is how CityFido can move your landline number to
your fido phone.

This big guys will run out of excuses for not implementing it and as soon as
they run out of excuses, the CRTC will force them.
repatch - 26 Nov 2003 00:08 GMT
> > You obviously don't know how SLOW the CRTC can move on certain items. I
> > don't see number portability coming here for MANY years. TTYL
>
> Vancouver has it now. That is how CityFido can move your landline number to
> your fido phone.

   You can move you landline number to Fido for quite a while, that's part
of being a CLEC, CityFido didn't bring this to us, it's been in place for a
LONG time.

> This big guys will run out of excuses for not implementing it and as soon as
> they run out of excuses, the CRTC will force them.

   The big guys practically RUN the CRTC, excuses are just for show. TTYL
Aboutdakota - 26 Nov 2003 05:58 GMT
>     You can move you landline number to Fido for quite a while, that's part
> of being a CLEC, CityFido didn't bring this to us, it's been in place for a
> LONG time.

I think the point being that CityFido is an *example* of where people
can port thier numbers.

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Pavel - 23 Nov 2003 19:36 GMT
Does anyone have any feedback using their Fido or other North American GSM
phones in Taiwan, specifically
with TransAsia?   This carrier appears to have the cheapest rates while
roaming in Taiwan.
Edward S - 25 Nov 2003 05:03 GMT
> Does anyone have any feedback using their Fido or other North American GSM
> phones in Taiwan, specifically
> with TransAsia?   This carrier appears to have the cheapest rates while
> roaming in Taiwan.

That's because it has coverage where most foreigners are not likely to
visit, southern part of Taiwan.

http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi/imap_gsminfo.pl5?cou=tw&net=tr&frame=middle

The others are fine, espcially FET and KGT.

Use a callback service with no monthly fee, and it'll be cheaper than
roaming.
Pavel - 25 Nov 2003 06:14 GMT
"Edward S" <not_valid71@hotmail.com> wrote in message

: That's because it has coverage where most foreigners are not likely to
: visit, southern part of Taiwan.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
: Use a callback service with no monthly fee, and it'll be cheaper than
: roaming.

Thanks. Good catch there.  didn't realize that this was the case.
BTW, what's a "callback service"?
Edward S - 25 Nov 2003 22:39 GMT
"Pavel" <none@NOSPAMme.com> wrote in message news:<erCwb.13579

> BTW, what's a "callback service"?

You open an account with a company in the U.S.  When you need to make
a long distance call, you call their computer at an US number that's
unique to you.  When you hear the other end ring, you hang up.  So you
pay nothing so far.

The computer will call you back on a number designated by you (say
your Fido number).  When you pick up this call, you hear a dial tone
or voice prompt, and then punch in the number you really want to call.

When you are roaming in countries where only callers pay for mobile
calls (most of Europe, Taiwan, ...), there is no roaming charge except
for Fido's LD from Canada.

So if you want to call home while roaming in Taiwan, you only pay
$.50/min to Fido plus ~US$0.09/minute to the call back company.

However, you start paying Fido for LD when you answer the callback
from the U.S. computer.
Aboutdakota - 26 Nov 2003 06:00 GMT
> "Pavel" <none@NOSPAMme.com> wrote in message news:<erCwb.13579
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> However, you start paying Fido for LD when you answer the callback
> from the U.S. computer.

I would be weary of those companies.  Some of companies, including MCI
WorldCom are under investigation for fraudulent services.

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