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US GSM mergers

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AndrewH - 15 Jan 2004 06:53 GMT
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/34887.html
JF Mezei - 15 Jan 2004 09:47 GMT
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/34887.html

Most interesting.  Doesn't Microcell have roaming agreements with both
T-Mobile (formerly Omnipoint/Voicestream) as well as Cingular (formerly Pac
Bell) ? If either merges with AT&T, doesn't that jeoperdize Microcell's
roaming potential in the USA ?

Does T-mobile intend to compete against Cingular in markets such as LA ?
Joseph - 15 Jan 2004 12:58 GMT
>Most interesting.  Doesn't Microcell have roaming agreements with both
>T-Mobile (formerly Omnipoint/Voicestream) as well as Cingular (formerly Pac
>Bell) ? If either merges with AT&T, doesn't that jeoperdize Microcell's
>roaming potential in the USA ?

Microcell AFAIK has a roaming agreement with all three US GSM
operators i.e. they have roaming agreements with ATTWS, cingular and
T-Mobile.

>Does T-mobile intend to compete against Cingular in markets such as LA ?

T-Mobile has been competing with cingular head-to-head for almost a
couple years now.  T-Mobile and cingular agreed a couple years ago to
share each other's spectrum and some infrastructure (a la Virgin and
T-Mobile in the UK.)  In the New York City metro area T-Mobile (who
had a GSM network in place) shares their network with cingular.  On
the west coast in California and Nevada T-Mobile shares with cingular
who had a GSM network in place.

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JF Mezei - 15 Jan 2004 13:26 GMT
> Microcell AFAIK has a roaming agreement with all three US GSM
> operators i.e. they have roaming agreements with ATTWS, cingular and
> T-Mobile.

Thanks. Didn't know about AT&T since AT&T is a competitor of Fido in Canada, I
didn't expect to see Microcell get it with the parent AT&T in the USA.

> T-Mobile has been competing with cingular head-to-head for almost a
> couple years now.  T-Mobile and cingular agreed a couple years ago to
> share each other's spectrum and some infrastructure

Seems to me that the natural merger would then be Cingural with T-mobile. But
I guess accountants don't like such a thing because it wouldn't automatically
create the largest carrier. But it oprobably would have a better chance of
success than any merger with a big outfit such as AT&T.
Joseph - 15 Jan 2004 19:06 GMT
>Seems to me that the natural merger would then be Cingural with T-mobile. But
>I guess accountants don't like such a thing because it wouldn't automatically
>create the largest carrier. But it oprobably would have a better chance of
>success than any merger with a big outfit such as AT&T.

Combining cingular with ATTWS would be a *far* bigger company than
cingular combining with T-Mobile.  T-Mobile also is not "awash" with
lots of extra cash to go buying another wireless operator at the
moment.  Its parent company Deutsche Telekom has lots of debt that
they'd probably like to retire before they go on a buying spree.  Also
whether the FTC would approve of a foreign government/company have
major control of US mobile telephone infrastructure might bring lots
of scrutiny from regulatory bodies.  Just as Canada has limits to how
much foreign ownership is permissible the US has such rules as well.

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AndrewH - 16 Jan 2004 05:45 GMT
I think there is something in the GSM association that requires GSM
companies that are members to offer roaming agreements to other countries.

I recall early on ATT and Rogers were avoiding joining the GSM
association because membership imposed certain obligations in dealing
with roaming. IIRC one of those requirements is that rates offered to
one carrier must be offered to all. Don't forget that a lot of the
success of GSM was that it forced europe to avoid national barriers to
phone use. Imagine if Vancouver Island had a different and incompatible
standard from Vancouver. Likely the GSM association requires that they
treat Microcell fairly.

Andrew

>>Microcell AFAIK has a roaming agreement with all three US GSM
>>operators i.e. they have roaming agreements with ATTWS, cingular and
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> create the largest carrier. But it oprobably would have a better chance of
> success than any merger with a big outfit such as AT&T.
 
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