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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Fido / January 2004$10 monthly package to change
Heard from a 4 legged furry CSR today. Starting Jan 14, the $10 package will have the minute charges at 0.30, double from the current 0.15. Existing $10 per month customers will be grandfathererd. I never heard of the $10 package. Does it include *any* minutes? : Heard from a 4 legged furry CSR today. : : Starting Jan 14, the $10 package will have the minute charges at 0.30, double : from the current 0.15. Existing $10 per month customers will be grandfathererd. No. > I never heard of the $10 package. Does it include *any* minutes? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > : from the current 0.15. Existing $10 per month customers will be > grandfathererd. > I never heard of the $10 package. Does it include *any* minutes? Nop. 0 minutes. But The $10 was the real basic fee (no added stuff like 6.95, 911, pantyhose, police fees). If you consume less than 130 minutes of airtime, that package becomes cheaper than the $27 package that gives you 200 minutes. : Nop. 0 minutes. But The $10 was the real basic fee (no added stuff like 6.95, : 911, pantyhose, police fees). : : If you consume less than 130 minutes of airtime, that package becomes cheaper : than the $27 package that gives you 200 minutes. Right, I can see how that can benefit low users. Fido wants to make some more money. I guess in the next couple of months Fido's meeting with their creditors to show how healthy they are now? > > I never heard of the $10 package. Does it include *any* minutes? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If you consume less than 130 minutes of airtime, that package becomes cheaper > than the $27 package that gives you 200 minutes. But remains more expensive then pre paid in almost all conditions. Fido tried to get me on it when I asked to drop to prepaid. I quickly reminded her that it doesn't have CID or VM, and includes NO minutes. TTYL > But remains more expensive then pre paid in almost all conditions. Fido > tried to get me on it when I asked to drop to prepaid. I quickly reminded > her that it doesn't have CID or VM, and includes NO minutes. TTYL But gives you access to analogue, roaming, GPRS and convenience of a bill, as well as ease to change to a higher postpaid package if needed. And it also gives you billing by second whereas prepaid is billed by minute. not to mention the included 1000 free forwarding minutes? > > But remains more expensive then pre paid in almost all conditions. Fido > > tried to get me on it when I asked to drop to prepaid. I quickly reminded [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And it also gives you billing by second whereas prepaid is billed by minute. This plan is useful if you leave the country for a long time and want to keep the ability to use your fido, but need no local minutes. > > But remains more expensive then pre paid in almost all conditions. Fido > > tried to get me on it when I asked to drop to prepaid. I quickly reminded [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And it also gives you billing by second whereas prepaid is billed by minute. > > But remains more expensive then pre paid in almost all conditions. Fido > > tried to get me on it when I asked to drop to prepaid. I quickly reminded > > her that it doesn't have CID or VM, and includes NO minutes. TTYL > > But gives you access to analogue, Which is mostly useless to most people. > roaming, Which is so expensive in many cases I thought they had the decimal point in the wrong place... > GPRS Which is also so expensive to be useless, especially to someone who uses a phone that little. > and convenience of a bill, A person using a phone that little probably will have a bill with 4 entries... > as > well as ease to change to a higher postpaid package if needed. That's about the only benifit I can see. > And it also gives you billing by second whereas prepaid is billed by minute. Ya, but if you're using that little airtime the difference again is pointless. TTYL What about the call forwarding? You forgot about that. With prepaid, you don't get any call forwarding. With the $10 plan, you have 1000 minutes of call forwarding. While I agree with you on the analogue, roaming (lesser degree), GPRS, and billing (lesser degree as well). Call forwarding is a very useful feature (prepaid doesn't include this) as well as the billing by the second (prepaid doesn't include this as well). > > > But remains more expensive then pre paid in almost all conditions. > Fido [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Ya, but if you're using that little airtime the difference again is > pointless. TTYL I had a post paid phone for 4 months, didn't use call forwarding once. I really don't see why this is such an important feature for some, if people are going to call you why not just pick up?? > What about the call forwarding? > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Ya, but if you're using that little airtime the difference again is > > pointless. TTYL Some people find Call Forwarding useful so that people trying to get ahold of them only need to remember 1 phone number. When you are at home, you can just forward your FIDO number to your home phone number, etc. It can be useful also for times when you are expecting an important call (such as a pending job interview, etc.). Joe > I had a post paid phone for 4 months, didn't use call forwarding once. I > really don't see why this is such an important feature for some, if people [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > > Ya, but if you're using that little airtime the difference again is > > > pointless. TTYL I use my call forwarding often. I find it useful. I also find it more convenient when calling someone if I don't have to call 3 or 4 numbers to try to track them down. For example, what if someone tried to reach you from a payphone... they would try to reach you at your cell phone, your home number, your work number, etc. In my case, someone would just have to call my cell number to reach me. If I decided to take the day off work, I would normally forward my cell phone to my home number and turn off my cell phone. When I'm at home in the evening, I do the same thing. When I leave my place, I turn on my cell phone and turn off the call forwarding on it. I do the same at work (forward my cell phone to my work number, etc.). > Some people find Call Forwarding useful so that people trying to get ahold > of them only need to remember 1 phone number. When you are at home, you can [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > is > > > > pointless. TTYL > > But gives you access to analogue, > > Which is mostly useless to most people. But when you do travel to somewhere where Fido doesn't have coverage, access to analogue is welcome. The whole thing about mobile telephony is the ability to have a feature on short notice when you do happen to need it. > Which is so expensive in many cases I thought they had the decimal point > in the wrong place... But if you are going to new York for one day, it is very useful to have since the few calls you will make will cost much less than a separate pre-paid subscription. And it also allows you to send/receive SMS messages (and GPRS). > Which is also so expensive to be useless, especially to someone who uses > a phone that little. Au contraire. You may have people who use the phose less for voice and more for data. > A person using a phone that little probably will have a bill with 4 > entries... Not true. You can have many short calls. Also, the convenience of a bill isn't so much the bill itself, but the fact that you don't have to worry about the telephone number/account being zapped if you forget to refill it with a new card each month. > > And it also gives you billing by second whereas prepaid is billed by > minute. > > Ya, but if you're using that little airtime the difference again is > pointless. TTYL Au contraire. When you make lots of short calls, that starts to make a very big difference. Remember that the 200 minutes plan costs that Fido says is $20.00 really comes to $32. You have to factor in the $7.00 worth of fido tax, and then the $5.00 for cid and vm basic features that Fido doesn't include. Then, when you add long distance, SMS and taxes, you edn up close to $40.00. The $10 package comes to $15.00 with the basic options. So you can add about $17.00 worth of options and/or usage (GPRS, SMS, long distance, analogue) before you get to the $32.00 basic rate for the 200 minutes package. I am supposed to be getting an M55 any day now. i would have never bought this on my own, but Fido offered it to me for $25 so it was pretty hard to ignore. So I was all looking forward to experiementing with GPRS, WAP etc. It is easier to justify paying for extra toy features such as GPRS when you have lowered your phone bill substantially by no longer payiong for all the unused minutes in the 200 minute package. But if I am forced to go to prepaid, then GPRS is no longer available and I might as well get my money back by returning the M55. If I am forced to go to the 200 minutes plan, then I won't be likely to spend extra money on toys such as GPRS and I will end up wasting a lot of unused minutes each month because I don't need 200 minutes. Fido's accountants seem to put a lot of emphasis on raising average revenu per customer, wanting to raise it. They probably see those $10 subscribers as pulling down their seamingly so important average and want to eliminate those customers so that the average goes up. Bad move. Such customers do not impose a big load on the network and any usage they make is sheer profit. At a time when Fido need to grow its customer base, pissing off such customers isn't really the way to go, especially sicne that option has been and continues to be very obscure. > > > But gives you access to analogue, > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to analogue is welcome. The whole thing about mobile telephony is the ability > to have a feature on short notice when you do happen to need it. And very few people ever leave urban areas. I do, which is why I switched to Rogers, but I am definately in the minority. > > Which is so expensive in many cases I thought they had the decimal point > > in the wrong place... > > But if you are going to new York for one day, it is very useful to have since > the few calls you will make will cost much less than a separate pre-paid > subscription. And it also allows you to send/receive SMS messages (and GPRS). Again,something VERY rarely done by the masses. > > Which is also so expensive to be useless, especially to someone who uses > > a phone that little. > > Au contraire. You may have people who use the phose less for voice and more > for data. That's also very rare for the masses when you consider how overpriced data is with Fido. > That's also very rare for the masses when you consider how overpriced > data is with Fido. Compared to who? Rogers is more expensive. I haven't used any others. > > That's also very rare for the masses when you consider how overpriced > > data is with Fido. > > Compared to who? Rogers is more expensive. I haven't used any others. Compared to the rest of the world. Europe is cheaper in most places, Asia is FAR cheaper in almost all places. Yes but you don't live there, do you? Ever heard of the Big Mac Index? It provides you with a basis for what the "value" of things are around the world. With all things being equal a Big Mac should cost the same anywhere you go, once you convert it. This is NOT the case. Inflation rates are different, infrastructure costs are different, everything's different! You can't compare with Europe. The markets are WAY too different. Deep > > > That's also very rare for the masses when you consider how > overpriced [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Compared to the rest of the world. Europe is cheaper in most places, > Asia is FAR cheaper in almost all places. Yes, I know you can't do direct currency conversion, and I don't. I'm basing the pricing relative to how much people get paid, and how much most people pay for cell service. In the end data costs FAR less then here. Our prices are a joke. TTYL > Yes but you don't live there, do you? > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Compared to the rest of the world. Europe is cheaper in most places, > > Asia is FAR cheaper in almost all places. Why are you comparing Canada with Europe or Asia? In Canada, the minimum wage is around $7.00 (let's say)... in Asia, people often work for around $50/month. When comparing prices, one should look at the price of a competing company in the same marketplace. It doesn't make a difference if Vodaphone or T-Mobile are less expensive or more expensive... since these aren't available here. > > > That's also very rare for the masses when you consider how > overpriced [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Compared to the rest of the world. Europe is cheaper in most places, > Asia is FAR cheaper in almost all places. I'm not doing direct currency conversion comparisons, I use the average wages and the average expenditures on wireless of here vs. there. If you do the numbers the difference in price is staggering. > Why are you comparing Canada with Europe or Asia? In Canada, the minimum > wage is around $7.00 (let's say)... in Asia, people often work for around [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Compared to the rest of the world. Europe is cheaper in most places, > > Asia is FAR cheaper in almost all places. > Compared to the rest of the world. Europe is cheaper in most places, > Asia is FAR cheaper in almost all places. Ah, fair enough. Although I think US is as expensive as here, isn't it? >But if I am forced to go to prepaid, then GPRS is no longer available and I >might as well get my money back by returning the M55. If I am forced to go to >the 200 minutes plan, then I won't be likely to spend extra money on toys such >as GPRS and I will end up wasting a lot of unused minutes each month because I >don't need 200 minutes. GPRS *is* available on prepaid! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - remove NO from .NOcom to reply > >But if I am forced to go to prepaid, then GPRS is no longer available and I > >might as well get my money back by returning the M55. If I am forced to go to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > GPRS *is* available on prepaid! Only as WAP, and only in a VERY restricted way. It's pretty much useless if you want anything outside of Fido's pages. TTYL > > GPRS *is* available on prepaid! > > Only as WAP, and only in a VERY restricted way. It's pretty much useless > if you want anything outside of Fido's pages. TTYL I've never had problem connecting to any wap pages outside Fido and downloading images/ringtones on prepaid since day one. And that is weird cause some have reported that you cannot download on prepaid....weird.. > > > GPRS *is* available on prepaid! > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > downloading images/ringtones on prepaid since day one. And that is weird > cause some have reported that you cannot download on prepaid....weird.. You've been lucky. First there is a limit to how large a download you can get, I don't remember the limit but it is absolutly a joke. Second is sites on non standard ports can't be reached. What is a "standard" port to Fido? They won't tell you. It's useless. ... > You've been lucky. First there is a limit to how large a download you > can get, I don't remember the limit but it is absolutly a joke. Second is > sites on non standard ports can't be reached. What is a "standard" port to > Fido? They won't tell you. It's useless. 1. The file size issue has been resolved. 2. secured banking and stuff.. .yes ...otherwise to most users, it's fine. They can go to most consumer WAP sites. Problems are usually with their phone's browser. You just have a special need as a geek for those "non-standard" ports. >> > GPRS *is* available on prepaid! >> >> Only as WAP > >I've never had problem connecting to any wap pages outside Fido I use a Treo 270 and it can only use Full GPRS, not WAP. I cannot go online with this Smartphone with prepaid. >> >But if I am forced to go to prepaid, then GPRS is no longer available and >I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Only as WAP, and only in a VERY restricted way. It's pretty much useless >if you want anything outside of Fido's pages. TTYL The point is that GPRS *is* available. The previous post said that GPRS is not available with Fido. Yes, it is only WAP, but it is available. I read for the content as it stands and not with subtleties that are unwritten. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - remove NO from .NOcom to reply > >> >But if I am forced to go to prepaid, then GPRS is no longer available and > >I [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > is only WAP, but it is available. I read for the content as it > stands and not with subtleties that are unwritten. If the GPRS available is useless then it doesn't exist. That's the point I was making. >> The previous post said that GPRS is not available with Fido. Yes, it >> is only WAP, but it is available. I read for the content as it >> stands and not with subtleties that are unwritten. > > If the GPRS available is useless then it doesn't exist. That's the point >I was making. You can argue forever, but the point is that GPRS is available. If you don't want to use the implementation that is available that's your privilege. It may be useless to *you* but it isn't useless to everyone. It's not just about you. No one is forcing you to use WAP. If it doesn't work the way *you* want it to that's just a tough break. GPRS is available for WAP on prepaid. This is a fact. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - remove NO from .NOcom to reply > >> The previous post said that GPRS is not available with Fido. Yes, it > >> is only WAP, but it is available. I read for the content as it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > WAP. If it doesn't work the way *you* want it to that's just a tough > break. GPRS is available for WAP on prepaid. This is a fact. Wow, loosing your cool there huh? The "fact" is that the GPRS available on Fido pales in comparison to what it is on post paid. >> >> The previous post said that GPRS is not available with Fido. Yes, it >> >> is only WAP, but it is available. I read for the content as it [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Wow, loosing your cool there huh? The "fact" is that the GPRS available >on Fido pales in comparison to what it is on post paid. I haven't lost my cool. You just keep insisting that it isn't available or it's not what you personally want. If you want GPRS with full internet access get a monthly account. That's not so difficult is it? Find what works for you and use it. Simple, eh? If you don't like an offering don't use it and find something that does work for you... if you can find it. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - remove NO from .NOcom to reply >I never heard of the $10 package. Does it include *any* minutes? None at all. All minutes are "a la carte" presently at 15 cents/minute. You have to have had another regular monthly package for at least three months before you are qualified to have the $10 package. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - remove NO from .NOcom to reply I just talked to a CSR today and they said that they will not be grandfathering the 15 cent per minute rate; they said that everyone on that plan will begin to pay the 30 cent per minute rate as of the 15th. That doesn't make sense to me though. It would really be nice if Fido could find a way of giving their reps the COMPLETE and RIGHT information. Joe > Heard from a 4 legged furry CSR today. > > Starting Jan 14, the $10 package will have the minute charges at 0.30, double > from the current 0.15. Existing $10 per month customers will be grandfathererd. > I just talked to a CSR today and they said that they will not be > grandfathering the 15 cent per minute rate; they said that everyone on that > plan will begin to pay the 30 cent per minute rate as of the 15th. If they do, they will have quite a few angry customers. My end of december invoice makes no mention of any rate change. It does however mention that starting Jan 26, the interest rate on overdue accounts goes up to 26.82% annual rate (2% per month, compounded daily). Fido is grandfathering the old 10$ plan. You called them to ask a question before the full information was released to CSRs, that means you called them based on a rumor. What would you expect? > I just talked to a CSR today and they said that they will not be > grandfathering the 15 cent per minute rate; they said that everyone on that [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > from the current 0.15. Existing $10 per month customers will be > grandfathererd. |
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