Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Fido / February 2004
Fido expanding?
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xero - 27 Jan 2004 06:10 GMT This past weekend I was coming back from Vermont through Montreal to Toronto and noticed I had signal from Montreal to Cornwall. Once I crossed into Ontario the signal dropped to the point where it was unusable, but was still there. I make this trip quite often and I don't think it has been like this for long. Is Microcell finally trying to expand from Montreal-Toronto, or are they just adding service to Cornwall? If so I find it odd that they'd choose to cover Cornwall before Kingston. Also, on a side note, I'm happy to report that Cingular seems to be doing a good job at adding service in Vermont. If my phone reported correctly, I was getting signal along 89 north of Burlington into Burlington, and then again south of Burlington along route 7. Microcell has roaming agreements with Cingular, right? If I remember correctly I was roaming on Cingular in Detroit, but that was a year ago so maybe I'm not remembering that correctly.
AndrewH - 27 Jan 2004 06:58 GMT I hope you are right, we do need expansion.
I know that their policy a while ago to expand along the highways from where they had lots of users into the smaller communities, not add new 'islands' of coverage. for example they expanded north from Nanaimo and South from nanaimo, rather than adding communities inbetween. Admittedly they started from Nanaimo as gong North from victoria, with the Malahat mountain, would have been difficult and require a lot of towers.
It makes sense economically as they pick up a lot more money from travellers paying long distance as they leave the major centres and it takes a long time to build up new users in small commmunities.
And yes, microcell does roam on Cingular.
Andrew
> This past weekend I was coming back from Vermont through Montreal to Toronto > and noticed I had signal from Montreal to Cornwall. Once I crossed into [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > remember correctly I was roaming on Cingular in Detroit, but that was a year > ago so maybe I'm not remembering that correctly. JF Mezei - 27 Jan 2004 08:43 GMT > > This past weekend I was coming back from Vermont through Montreal to Toronto > > and noticed I had signal from Montreal to Cornwall. Are you sure about signal all the way to Cornwall ? In the past, signal stopped somwehere between Coteau du Lac and the Ontario border. The Fido web site still shows this to be the case.
I suspect your phone may have roamed into another network, perhasop AT&T in canada or some network in the USA (which is just across the st-lawrence) once you get into ontario).
If I were Fido, I would be looking at the portions of the 401 with the most traffic. That would mean progressively going east from Toronto until Kingston. Not sure if Fido would roll out in Kingston, but since it is a university town, perhaps there would be significant customer potential there.
east of kingston, it becomes harder to justiofy since traffic is lighter. But Kingston to Prescott carries both Ottawa and Montreal bound traffic. Then, you have the stubs to ottawa and to Coteau to cover which have the lightest traffic.
Another decision Microcell needs to make is whether to extend coverage to the CN tracks for Via trains where those tracks are not near enough the highway. In my opinion, someone traveling by train is far more likely to use his mobile and laptop with gprs than someone driving. So the right market research might reveal if Via would generate more revenus to Microcell than the 401.
It would be interesting to see how many extra towers Bell and AT&T needed to cover the CN tracks and if they have statistics on the number of calls which travel though those additional cells.
(if you have a call that travels from a cell near highway to one near the tracks, it means a pax on a train having a long conversation).
Jon Miron - 27 Jan 2004 16:37 GMT > > > This past weekend I was coming back from Vermont through Montreal to Toronto > > > and noticed I had signal from Montreal to Cornwall. > > Are you sure about signal all the way to Cornwall ? In the past, signal > stopped somwehere between Coteau du Lac and the Ontario border. The Fido web > site still shows this to be the case. Yes, I was talking on my phone from Montreal and I was like "Uh oh, 1km to the Ontario border, better go before my phone cuts out" so I hung up, but it held onto the signal for a while after.
> I suspect your phone may have roamed into another network, perhasop AT&T in > canada or some network in the USA (which is just across the st-lawrence) once > you get into ontario). Nope, my phone was not roaming on AT&T, as I was actually talking on it before I even reached the Quebec border. Also, I was in Cornwall on Second St and my phone beeped, so I looked and it clearly said "Fido" on the screen. Signal was at 1 bar though and wasn't able to place a call. Coverage was also really bad, but I'd say about 2 months ago any cell site in Cornwall was non-existant to my knowledge, so this is an improvement.
Spark - 30 Jan 2004 00:30 GMT Fido coverage IS available at km 800 (Cornwall exit) on the 401 towards Montreal.......more to come...
> > > > This past weekend I was coming back from Vermont through Montreal to > Toronto [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Coverage was also really bad, but I'd say about 2 months ago any cell site > in Cornwall was non-existant to my knowledge, so this is an improvement. xero - 02 Feb 2004 08:13 GMT Yup, I just confirmed this tonight. Coming west from Montreal service drops right after the sign about entering Cornwall, and then picks up again for a moment around exit 789.
I'm curious about the more to come part though.. What is to come? Montreal<->Toronto finally going to be covered?
> Fido coverage IS available at km 800 (Cornwall exit) on the 401 towards > Montreal.......more to come... [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 1/27/2004 JF Mezei - 02 Feb 2004 10:45 GMT > Yup, I just confirmed this tonight. Coming west from Montreal service drops > right after the sign about entering Cornwall, and then picks up again for a > moment around exit 789. And you are sure this is "fido" coverage ?
The microcell site (which staked its claim to "canadagsm.com") still shows coverage stopping at the québec/ontario border (rivière baudette), which is about 40km from Cornwall. Coverage from Ottawa to Prescott still shown stopping well north or Kemptville.
I guess extending from the border to Cornwall might cost it perhaps 2 additional towers (terrain is fairly flat).
However, I have to wonder about the business sense of this. They would do a lot better covering all of Kingston, and then covering 401 from Kingston to Toronto first.
If wonder if a thin ribbon between Toronto and Montreal might be considered a marketing venture to allow Microcell to brag about coverage between Toronto and Montreal even though such investment would not be productive ? Considering its financial position, would Fido really have the cash needed to provide that coverage ?
jay - 03 Feb 2004 00:14 GMT > > Yup, I just confirmed this tonight. Coming west from Montreal service drops > > right after the sign about entering Cornwall, and then picks up again for a [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > its financial position, would Fido really have the cash needed to provide that > coverage ? Do you think the coverage map is going to be updated as soon as they tweak a tower..or they add a tower?
I think not..
If two people say they got FIDO coverage, I'd believe them...
Jesus christ man...
JF Mezei - 03 Feb 2004 06:09 GMT > Do you think the coverage map is going to be updated as soon as they > tweak a tower..or they add a tower? In the past, they would preannounce areas that they expect to add coverage in the coming year (different colour on a map).
On the other hand, they had areas like Mont Tremblant where antennas were allegedly installed years before they were turned on.
In my opinion, the only realistic reason to cover Montreal-Toronto would be to get trucking contracts. Trucks want GPRS to send back their position to head office.
AndrewH - 03 Feb 2004 04:40 GMT I am not sure the economics work quite as you suggest. Opening in a small market the size of Kingston can be very difficult as the locals want the wide coverage.
On the other hand by extending the coverage out from the Cities, you bring in a lot of driving customers who are paying long distance charges. Hence revenue is double or more per minute than revenue per minute. You also have a committed base of customers.
Now Kingston is a special case, with 10 000 odd students, many will already have Fido phones before moving to Kingston, and should be easy to encourage to remain. The omission of Kingston has long had me puzzled ( I spent my 5 institutional years there in the mid 80's). It would have seemed to me to be an ideal place to sell 'cityfido', multiple phones per house, and lots of students that move every year.
My $.02, and thanks for a good debate.
Andrew
>>Yup, I just confirmed this tonight. Coming west from Montreal service drops >>right after the sign about entering Cornwall, and then picks up again for a [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > its financial position, would Fido really have the cash needed to provide that > coverage ?
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