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Must store number with a 1?????

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Yip Kit - 16 Feb 2004 07:47 GMT
Hi all,

I just bought a phone from HK, and I am gonna use it with my exising Fido
card (it's a tri band phone).

I found out today that the caller ID thing does not quite work.

Let's say I store Dude - 6041234567 to the new phone.  Then I use the phone
6041234567 to call the new phone.  The incoming phone number is
16041234567.  The name "Dude" does not appear at all (just the number).

If I store 16041234567 instead, then it will work (Dude appears).

This does not happen to my old Nokia phone.  Anybody has experiences
regarding this?  Is the "1" really necessary when storing numbers?

Please advise.

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repatch - 16 Feb 2004 17:40 GMT
Might be a good idea to at least let us know WHICH phone you are using?

It's very likely that this functionality is "normal" for whatever phone
you've got, but until we know what phone you have we can't be sure. TTYL

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Joseph - 16 Feb 2004 20:20 GMT
>Might be a good idea to at least let us know WHICH phone you are using?
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>It's very likely that this functionality is "normal" for whatever phone
>you've got, but until we know what phone you have we can't be sure. TTYL

If you store it as +16041234567 it will always work.

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JF Mezei - 16 Feb 2004 18:30 GMT
> This does not happen to my old Nokia phone.  Anybody has experiences
> regarding this?  Is the "1" really necessary when storing numbers?

Technically, you should be storing +1 AAA EEE NNNN  (without spaces)

The + indicates it is a number dialable from anywhere because it includes a
country code.
Pavel - 19 Feb 2004 05:57 GMT
: > This does not happen to my old Nokia phone.  Anybody has experiences
: > regarding this?  Is the "1" really necessary when storing numbers?
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: The + indicates it is a number dialable from anywhere because it includes a
: country code.

Right, but if you are in fringe areas, say,  White Rock or Point
Roberts Washington, you don't want to dial the +1604 because you will
incur long distance rather than locking onto a cell site where the
call  may be free or at least long distance free.
JF Mezei - 19 Feb 2004 08:41 GMT
> Right, but if you are in fringe areas, say,  White Rock or Point
> Roberts Washington, you don't want to dial the +1604 because you will
> incur long distance rather than locking onto a cell site where the
> call  may be free or at least long distance free.

Nop. The wireless networks have sufficient smarts in them to know when a call
is local or not. So you can always include the full phone number specification
, including the +.

(conventional landlines used to be quite dumb, and any call beginning with 1
was routed through their billing machines, and area codes only had 0 or 1 as
second digit, and local exchanges never had 0 or 1 as their middle digits).
However, this has changed in the last decade and phone switches have gotten
more intelligent now. However, on landlines, there is still the expectation
that you are not willing to pay long distance unless you add the 1.

On wireless, you trust the network to decide if your call is to be local or
long distance. Remember that cells do not necessarily match landline
boundaries. For instance, if you are in OKA, your cell phone may actually
connect to a Hudson tower across the lake, and calling the store in front of
you may be long distance because from Hudson to Oka it is long distance.

But from the same location, you can call montreal for free because a call to
montreal from hudosn is free, whereas from Oka, it is long distance (this may
have changed in the last decade, but it is just to demonstrate how cell phones
differ in local calling areas).

Also, Fido (at least when it began in Montreal back in 1997/1998) had all of
its montreal area coverage as local calls, which meant you could call from
St-jerome to the south-shore as a local call, but landline had to pay 35 cents
per minute.
Ototin - 21 Feb 2004 11:56 GMT
>: > This does not happen to my old Nokia phone.  Anybody has
>experiences
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>: The + indicates it is a number dialable from anywhere because it
>includes a country code.

Technically, the + symbol does NOT indicate a country code. The + is
used to indicate to dial the digits required to place an international
long distance call. For example, in Canada the digits are 011. The 1
in 1 AAA EEE NNNN is the country code for Canada and U.S.A.
 
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