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Any Service To Convert Pager to E-mail?

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CHANGE USERNAME TO westes - 23 Mar 2004 19:49 GMT
Is there any service, preferably located in California, that will sell you a
dedicated phone number that presents a pager interface to a caller, and
delivers the captured keystrokes as an e-mail?      We have a device that
notifies us of alarms through a pager interface (direct e-mail is not an
option), and I really don't want to go out an buy a dedicated pager.    I'm
sure someone must have a pager service that delivers that page on the back
end through e-mail?

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Will
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PDAMan - 24 Mar 2004 10:35 GMT
Go to this site. Look under TAP access numbers. Find a company that you know
of in your area and JOILA that will allow you to outdial like a pager
http://www.notepager.com/support.htm  A quick glance shows PacTel, PacBell
and cingular Wireless have TAP access.Good Luck

> Is there any service, preferably located in California, that will sell you a
> dedicated phone number that presents a pager interface to a caller, and
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> Will
> westes AT earthbroadcast.com
CHANGE USERNAME TO westes - 24 Mar 2004 23:12 GMT
I'm not looking for a way to send *outgoing* messages to a pager.    I am
looking for a way to *receive* pages on e-mail.

I cannot understand why I need to buy yet another device (a pager) to
receive a special kind of message when I already carry an Internet connected
e-mail device and could just as easily read the page as an e-mail on my
existing device.

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Will
westes AT earthbroadcast.com

> Go to this site. Look under TAP access numbers. Find a company that you know
> of in your area and JOILA that will allow you to outdial like a pager
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> > Will
> > westes AT earthbroadcast.com
yeltrabnhoj@email.com - 24 Mar 2004 23:40 GMT
>I'm not looking for a way to send *outgoing* messages to a pager.    I am
>looking for a way to *receive* pages on e-mail.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>e-mail device and could just as easily read the page as an e-mail on my
>existing device.
<snip>

Well, because Internet-connected devices are not as reliable as pagers?

With a pager, the messaging is much faster when compared to e-mail, SMS or
pseudo-pages sent to a cellphones. This is true for all of my cellphones,
and has been for several years I have carried both pager and cellphones (as
an emergency services worker).

I've had TDMA (ATT Witless), CDMA (Sprint PCS) and GSM (T-Mobile, and
before that, Voicestream), and paging has always been faster.

Also, with paging, the network is much more resiliant.  On Saudi-American
Friendship Day on Manhattan, only the paging networks stayed up, and all
the cellular nets, even those not fed from WTC, crashed.  Cell nets crash
with less than 5% capacity in use.  Only folks with Palm Sevens and
Blackberries had reliable mobile connectivity.

I really appreciate the lure of carrying Just One Device; heck, I'm
carrying a pager, two PalmPhones and a 2-way right now, and even Mobile
Pants can carry so much stupf.  But, that's the way the world works, right
now; e-mail is *not* a guaranteed, on-time delivery service, and paging is
much more robust by comparison.

Not perfect, just much more reliable.
--
Nobody but a fool goes into a federal counterrorism operation without duct tape - Richard Preston, THE COBRA EVENT.
CHANGE USERNAME TO westes - 25 Mar 2004 00:27 GMT
Thanks for this post.     Is it possible to use a Blackberry to receive
pages directly?    I currently use a 950 to receive e-mail, and it would be
great if it could be programmed to also take incoming pages.

I'm using the Cingular service with the Blackberry if that matters.

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Will
westes AT earthbroadcast.com

> >I'm not looking for a way to send *outgoing* messages to a pager.    I am
> >looking for a way to *receive* pages on e-mail.
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> --
> Nobody but a fool goes into a federal counterrorism operation without duct tape - Richard Preston, THE COBRA EVENT.
yeltrabnhoj@email.com - 25 Mar 2004 18:07 GMT
>Thanks for this post.     Is it possible to use a Blackberry to receive
>pages directly?  
<snip>

AFAIK, no.  However, please consult your paging representative at Cingular.

Please note RIM makes many different Blackberry models. Some use paging
networks, some use GSM and a CDMA model is coming soon.

Why one would *want* a proprietary OS device with *very* few programs is
unclear to me, but, well, takes all kinds.

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CHANGE USERNAME TO westes - 25 Mar 2004 19:32 GMT
So what non-proprietary device, with lots of programs, receives pages
directly?

I don't need or want a GUI interface that drains battery quickly.    My
Blackberry goes at least a week without needing a battery change.    It's
very small, and it seems to work quite well in areas with borderline
reception.

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Will
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> >Thanks for this post.     Is it possible to use a Blackberry to receive
> >pages directly?
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> This post quad-ROT-13 encrypted; reading it violates the DMCA.
> Nobody but a fool goes into a federal counterrorism operation without duct tape - Richard Preston, THE COBRA EVENT.
yeltrabnhoj@email.com - 29 Mar 2004 18:14 GMT
>So what non-proprietary device, with lots of programs, receives pages
>directly?

The PalmOne i705 works as well as a Blackberry and has thousands ofprograms
available.

>I don't need or want a GUI interface that drains battery quickly.    My
>Blackberry goes at least a week without needing a battery change.    It's
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>> Nobody but a fool goes into a federal counterrorism operation without duct
>tape - Richard Preston, THE COBRA EVENT.

--
John Bartley K7AAY http://celdata.cjb.net
This post quad-ROT-13 encrypted; reading it violates the DMCA.
Nobody but a fool goes into a federal counterrorism operation without duct tape - Richard Preston, THE COBRA EVENT.
L David Matheny - 25 Mar 2004 07:36 GMT
> I'm not looking for a way to send *outgoing* messages to a pager.
> I am looking for a way to *receive* pages on e-mail.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> connected e-mail device and could just as easily read the page as
> an e-mail on my existing device.

If you want to try receiving the pages on your cell phone, note that
Cingular apparently has a numeric-page-to-SMS interface similar
to AT&T's.  The number is 1-800-856-6122.  It took my message,
but my AT&T phone never received it (understandably).  As others
have said, SMS reliability might not be good enough, but then again
SMS may be as reliable as mobile email.  Try it and post back here.
CHANGE USERNAME TO westes - 25 Mar 2004 18:04 GMT
I don't have a Cingular cell phone, just the Blackberry.   So I assume the
SMS service isn't going to help me.   I guess that the RIM 950 is using
Mobitex protocol.

Out of curiosity, does AT&T wireless have a similar interface that goes
analog phone with digits to SMS?

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Will
westes AT earthbroadcast.com

> > I'm not looking for a way to send *outgoing* messages to a pager.
> > I am looking for a way to *receive* pages on e-mail.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> have said, SMS reliability might not be good enough, but then again
> SMS may be as reliable as mobile email.  Try it and post back here.
L David Matheny - 26 Mar 2004 17:47 GMT
> I don't have a Cingular cell phone, just the Blackberry.   So I
> assume the SMS service isn't going to help me.   I guess that
> the RIM 950 is using Mobitex protocol.

I've never seen a RIM 950, but if that's what you have go here:
http://www.blackberry.com/knowledgecenterpublic/livelink.exe?func=ll&objId=8650&
objAction=browse&sort=name

and download the "Blackberry Paging User Guide".
It contains instructions for "Numeric dial-up paging":
  Using basic service
  1. Dial 1-877-572-4322 on a touch-tone phone.
  2. After the welcome greeting, press 1.
  3. Type your seven-digit paging PIN.
  4. After the custom greeting, type a numeric message using the telephone keypad.

> Out of curiosity, does AT&T wireless have a similar interface
> that goes analog phone with digits to SMS?

Yes, like Cingular they have a dial-up number that can be used
to send numeric pages to their pagers and cell phones.
Libby - 25 Mar 2004 21:05 GMT
Hello,

>Is there any service, preferably located in California, that will sell you a
>dedicated phone number that presents a pager interface to a caller, and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>sure someone must have a pager service that delivers that page on the back
>end through e-mail?

PageGate will do this for you. You could set it up two different ways. You could
either take the page into PageGate via a TAP-in interface and resend it via
email or you could simply feed the message in by integrating via
commandline/ascii and sending via email.
Details that will explain much better than I can be found at
http://www.notepage.net/pagegate.htm

Hope this helps
Libby
 
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