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Pre Paid Non-expring US Sim Cards?

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Andy Straw - 23 Apr 2004 12:56 GMT
I visit the US about 4 times a year [on vacation] and wondered if
there was a US prepaid sim card that I can use in my phone. Obviously
I'd like one that that doesn't become defunct if you don't use it for
a few months and hopefully one that will keep credits between visits.
If not, then one that you can easily get cheap top-ups say around $10
(via credit card top up or nationwide stores)? I suppose I'd be
looking for one that would work in Florida, California and New York.
Do such sim cards exist?

My T-mobile (UK) sim card works over there (with AT&T and Cingular, on
my tri-band phone) but it is very expensive for making calls and it's
a real pain with the roaming codes and such like.

Regards,

Andy
Stuart Friedman - 23 Apr 2004 14:00 GMT
There is no non-expiring card.  Virgin Mobile USA has CDMA prepaid phones
with a ninety day recharge cycle and a two month grace period between top
ups.  Virgin mobile can take a credit card to do the topup automatically
when you are out of the country.  I'm not sure whether they will take UK
credit cards or not, but you can buy prepaid Mastercards and any Riteaid
drug store in the US, top it up and let it auto recharge your Virgin.
Remember, the minutes roll over.  I'm not sure whether you could take four
topup cards back with you to do topups manually from there.Usually, there is
some backdoor number which can be called for that purpose.

Tracphone has a prepaid card that goes a year at a time, but Tracphone has a
very bad reputation for other reasons.  Both of these solutions require you
to purchase a non-GSM phone.

If you've a got a friend with ATT in the US, they have a special running
right now which would let your friend add a second line pulling from his/her
minutes at US$10 a month.

T-Mobile had prepaid card that were good for a year on a special basis, but
they are gone.  You can still find some people hawking them on e-bay.

Stu

> I visit the US about 4 times a year [on vacation] and wondered if
> there was a US prepaid sim card that I can use in my phone. Obviously
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> Andy
Andy Straw - 23 Apr 2004 15:26 GMT
Thanks for the heads up- I thought that may be the case. I may look into
the Virgin Mobile route... thanks for your speedy help.

> There is no non-expiring card.  Virgin Mobile USA has CDMA prepaid phones
> with a ninety day recharge cycle and a two month grace period between top
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>>Andy
Todd Allcock - 23 Apr 2004 19:17 GMT
> Thanks for the heads up- I thought that may be the case. I may look into
> the Virgin Mobile route... thanks for your speedy help.

Actually T-Mobile is running their promotion again.  Activate a new
pre-paid SIM ($50US, I think) and add a $25 US recharge card and it
extends the expiry date for 1 year.

Like last time, eBay is a cheaper place to get them.  The promo is
valid until June 30, so both the SIM must be activated, and $25 (or
higher) card must be added by then.  (The eBay guys handle all that
for you- search www.ebay.com for prepaid t-mobile sim and you'll find
dozens.)
Sensei S - 23 Apr 2004 16:38 GMT
Actually T-Mobile US now has prepaid sim cards.
Expire?  That you will have to ask the dealer that you get it from.

> I visit the US about 4 times a year [on vacation] and wondered if
> there was a US prepaid sim card that I can use in my phone. Obviously
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> Andy
Joseph - 24 Apr 2004 00:39 GMT
>Actually T-Mobile US now has prepaid sim cards.
>Expire?  That you will have to ask the dealer that you get it from.

But that wasn't the question.  The query was for SIM cards that
*never* expire.  That doesn't exist in the US.  It doesn't exist in
Europe either.  I am unfamilliar with what happens in Asia or Africa.
Think about it why would any carrier keep a number in service with any
maintenance cost and not charge anything at all for it forever.  What
would be the reason they would do this?

>> I visit the US about 4 times a year [on vacation] and wondered if
>> there was a US prepaid sim card that I can use in my phone. Obviously
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>> Andy

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Andy Straw - 24 Apr 2004 01:45 GMT
> But that wasn't the question.  The query was for SIM cards that
> *never* expire.  That doesn't exist in the US.  It doesn't exist in
> Europe either.  I am unfamilliar with what happens in Asia or Africa.
> Think about it why would any carrier keep a number in service with any
> maintenance cost and not charge anything at all for it forever.  What
> would be the reason they would do this?

I've got three sim cards I use, that I've got over the years. I'm on my
6th or 7th phone upgrade and I'm on a sim card from vodafone that I've
had for 5 years and use maybe twice a year juast so I don't have to let
work know my usual number. In the UK non expiring credit is the norm
rather than the exception?
Wolfgang Barth - 24 Apr 2004 18:48 GMT
Joseph schrieb:

> But that wasn't the question.  The query was for SIM cards that
> *never* expire.  That doesn't exist in the US.  It doesn't exist in
> Europe either.  I am unfamilliar with what happens in Asia or Africa.
> Think about it why would any carrier keep a number in service with any
> maintenance cost and not charge anything at all for it forever.  What
> would be the reason they would do this?

I do own a "Virgin mobile" SIM card from the UK for my time to time
visits there. They have VERY good tarifs and the cards NEVER expire!

Here in Germany all cards expire after 1 year or some "grace period"
afterwards. Cost you 50 Euro/year to keep them "alive".

Wolfgang
PDA Man - 23 Apr 2004 17:43 GMT
TMOBILE has the 1 year No Expire promotion running again. If you top off a
current TMOBILE EasySpeak prePaid acct with $25 or more of airtime, it will
not expire for 1 year. Top Off of the $25 must occur before June 30. Details
at http://kickme.too.wirelessworld
You can find activated TMOBILE Easy Speak SIMS with about $50 of airtime for
about $25-$30. then you just need to add the $25. If you go to a TMO store,
their SIm Starter kit is $50 with SIM and 120 minutes airtime good for 60
days.
Last but not least, being in the UK, www.expansys.com now sells TMOBILE
PrePaid SIM kits for $50 us dollars

> I visit the US about 4 times a year [on vacation] and wondered if
> there was a US prepaid sim card that I can use in my phone. Obviously
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> Andy
Joseph - 23 Apr 2004 17:44 GMT
>I visit the US about 4 times a year [on vacation] and wondered if
>there was a US prepaid sim card that I can use in my phone. Obviously
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>looking for one that would work in Florida, California and New York.
>Do such sim cards exist?

For GSM with SIM cards it does not exist.  You can get prepaid, but
you will require another handset.  Often you can get used handsets
that will work.  There's a service called Justalk where you can get
service for $8.49 (for 40 minutes) with the service good for 180 days
before you'll lose any credits and the service will be disconnected.
It requires that you get a handset that was on the AT&T (TDMA)
service.

http://www.phoneshark.com/showwirelesscard.cfm?f=11&t=11&p=8314#phones

With this service you are often given service with a number that is
not local to you, but each account is given a toll-free (freephone)
number so that your callers don't incur any extra charges.

If you go to the above offer and buy the refill all you need to do is
call Justalk customer service and tell them that you wish to initiate
new service.  They'll ask for the ESN (electronic serial number) that
you'll find on the handset under the battery.  They'll then apply the
credit to your account (the so called "PIN" a ten-digit number.)
They'll instruct you how to program your phone with your phone number.
You can always buy another PIN over the net and input the PIN to get
an extension of the time on your account.  The number to add airtime
is a US 1-866 "freephone" number.  If you're unable to call US
freephone numbers you could have a colleage in the US call the
recharge number and input the time for you.  It would end up costing
you USD17 per year for service.  Or, in the alternative, if having the
same number is unimportant to you you could just let the account
expire and get a new account the next time you are in the US.  If you
had any money on the old account you would however lose whatever
credit you had.  The only thing that's really inconvenient for you is
that you would be required to get a compatible phone as the phones
that justalk uses are not GSM and thus not SIM compatible.

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Andy Straw - 23 Apr 2004 21:54 GMT
Thanks for all this information guys... much more than I hoped for.

>>I visit the US about 4 times a year [on vacation] and wondered if
>>there was a US prepaid sim card that I can use in my phone. Obviously
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PDA Man - 24 Apr 2004 17:14 GMT
Andy I added an extra "O" in that address for TMO info
http://kickme.to/wirelessworld and go to PREPAID WIRELESS

> Thanks for all this information guys... much more than I hoped for.
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Wolfgang Barth - 24 Apr 2004 18:50 GMT
> For GSM with SIM cards it does not exist.  You can get prepaid, but
> you will require another handset.  

Nonsense. Any GSM phone which isnt "locked" will work with the prepaid
cards.

Wolfgang
Joseph - 24 Apr 2004 21:12 GMT
> For GSM with SIM cards it does not exist.  You can get prepaid, but
>> you will require another handset.  
>
>Nonsense. Any GSM phone which isnt "locked" will work with the prepaid
>cards.

You need to pay attnetion to the thread!  The question was not whether
a prepaid card will work.  The question was if there was a card that
does *not* expire.  The answer remains that there is no US prepaid
"pay as you go" card that will never expire.  Unless you get in on the
present promotion that T-Mobile has that will let you keep an account
active for a whole year most prepaid SIMs in the US from cingular and
T-Mobile expire in 90 days or less.  Other alternatives other than GSM
you can have longer expiration times.  Even Virgin Mobile accounts
eventually will expire if they are not replenished with minute
vouchers.  Virgin Mobile isn't a GSM carrier in the US either.

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Wolfgang Barth - 25 Apr 2004 10:16 GMT
Joseph schrieb:

>>For GSM with SIM cards it does not exist.  You can get prepaid,
>>but you will require another handset.  
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> You need to pay attnetion to the thread!  The question was not whether
> a prepaid card will work.  
But exactly this statement was given here! And I stated, what is the
truth: ANY PREPAID SIM CARD will work in a "lock free" phone.
It does not matter if this SIM is usable for 30 days or forever.

> The question was if there was a card that
> does *not* expire.  The answer remains that there is no US prepaid
> "pay as you go" card that will never expire.  
True. They are only valid for 30 or 90 days or so. I know. I really do
not understand this policy. They could earn LOTS of money if they were
valid for at least a year or so before you have to recharge. Look at
Italy where the MAJORITY of users have perpaid SIM's. An think about
this: Prepaids can freely given to children because the cannot spend
more than the given prepaid amount.

> Unless you get in on the
> present promotion that T-Mobile has that will let you keep an account
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> eventually will expire if they are not replenished with minute
> vouchers.  
The booklet which comes with it states that it will NEVER expire. I
bought mine about 3 years ago and it has been in use for 3 periods of
time since then. One it was a pause of more than a year between the
visits and I did NOT recharge in that period.

>Virgin Mobile isn't a GSM carrier in the US either.
True. What a pity.

Wolfgang
Joseph - 25 Apr 2004 15:54 GMT
>Joseph schrieb:
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>truth: ANY PREPAID SIM CARD will work in a "lock free" phone.
>It does not matter if this SIM is usable for 30 days or forever.

It *does* matter if you're addressing what the original poster asked.
If you have some other agenda that's your thing.  The original poster
asked whether there was a SIM available in the US that doesn't expire.
The official policy is that there are no SIMs for the US that do not
expire.  If you got one that doesn't bully for you.  The policy is
that normally they will expire after 90 days maximum and you'd be
required to get a new SIM card and have another service activated.

>> The question was if there was a card that
>> does *not* expire.  The answer remains that there is no US prepaid
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>>Virgin Mobile isn't a GSM carrier in the US either.
>True. What a pity.

It's something that they even know about in Europe.  It's called
economics and getting the best deal.  Evidently Virgin went shopping
and no GSM  carrier could provide them with the price point that they
wanted so they made a deal with Sprint PCS who happens to not be a GSM
provider.
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Richie - 15 May 2004 21:50 GMT
Some alternatives to prepaid if you visit the USA frequently.  These options
maybe more expensive than prepaid.

With AT&T wireless, you can put your phone under 'suspension' when away.  So
you could get and AT&T monthly account then 'suspend' it when you're not in
USA.  I don't use AT&T but a friend who does told me about it.  He travels
out of USA about 6 months per year and when he leaves he suspends his mobile
phone.  You have to get the details from AT&T.

You also could get a Cingular monthly account with rollover minutes. When
you're not in USA, the minutes would rollover and accumulate so when you
return to USA, you'll have lots of minutes to call your friends, relatives
and business associates.

> I visit the US about 4 times a year [on vacation] and wondered if
> there was a US prepaid sim card that I can use in my phone. Obviously
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> Andy
 
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