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Nabil - 06 Oct 2004 03:12 GMT Not a bad GSM phone, but not worth the $400 prerelease tag. The problem is that it really is a new external design for the T610. The camera also is horrible, but that is not why I got the phone. Battery life is wonderful! I charge once a week and use the phone about 2 hours a week. Bluetooth never fails, unlike the symbian bluetooth of NOKIA, and email is a snap.
John Navas - 06 Oct 2004 03:43 GMT >Not a bad GSM phone, Pretty darn good, IMHO.
>but not worth the $400 prerelease tag. I paid $180 for mine (used, but in like new condition).
>The >problem is that it really is a new external design for the T610. More like the T630.
>The >camera also is horrible, but that is not why I got the phone. Likewise, although I'd call it decent for a cell phone.
>Battery >life is wonderful! I charge once a week and use the phone about 2 >hours a week. Bluetooth never fails, unlike the symbian bluetooth of >NOKIA, and email is a snap. Agreed, although the email client has some issues. Also, GPRS is fast and stable, and Java enables some worthwhile apps (e.g., WebViewer).
Only two real disappointments for me:
1. No EDGE (EGPRS).
2. No support for wave audio (only MIDI).
Plus the menus are a bit less intuitive then my old T39m.
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Steve Grauman - 06 Oct 2004 04:00 GMT >I paid $180 for mine (used, but in like new condition). Generally speaking you can also get much lower pricing on these phones when you renew a service contract or sign a new contract completely. I got my T616 from AT&T last April and saved quite a bit over the normal asking price. I know that they're now offering the phone for $49 if you sign a contract or are already a GSM customer. They're also offering the T637 at the discounted price of $79.99 to new customers or current GSM clients who want a new phone. But it looks like the T637 is vastly identicle to the T616, except for "new clothes" and the addition of Yahoo, AOL and ICQ IM software.
>Likewise, although I'd call it decent for a cell phone. I don't think anyone buys these phones expecting multi-megapixel performance from the built in camera. Frankly, I never use mine and probably would've taken a less expensive model without the camera if I'd had the option. I wanted the T616 because I liked it's looks and user interface and the fact that it had built in Bluetooth so I could use wireless headsets and beam info. back and forth with a PC wirelessly (assuming I bought a Bluetooth card). Steve Grauman
John Navas - 06 Oct 2004 04:07 GMT >>I paid $180 for mine (used, but in like new condition). > >Generally speaking you can also get much lower pricing on these phones when you >renew a service contract or sign a new contract completely. Mine is unlocked and has no service contract issue.
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Steve Grauman - 06 Oct 2004 06:07 GMT >Mine is unlocked and has no service contract issue. But you still have a sevice provider. And despite warnings that the phones are locked, I found that my T616 worked on Cingular's newtwork even before AT&T (my provider) merged with Cingular earlier this year. I'm told that the phone, which I purchased from AT&T, will also work on T-Mobile. It's just a matter of switching the SIM chip that locks in behind the battery. And I can get a better deal on most NEW phones from AT&T then I can going to the used market, so I'm not real concerned with trying to find complete used phones in decent shape or having to make sure they're "unlocked". Steve Grauman
John Navas - 07 Oct 2004 08:25 GMT >>Mine is unlocked and has no service contract issue. > >But you still have a sevice provider. A phone without a service provider is useless unless 911 is the only number you ever want to call. ;-)
>And despite warnings that the phones are >locked, I found that my T616 worked on Cingular's newtwork even before AT&T (my >provider) merged with Cingular earlier this year. I'm told that the phone, >which I purchased from AT&T, will also work on T-Mobile. You were lucky. ATTWS routinely locks subsidy phones, and won't unlock them.
>It's just a matter of >switching the SIM chip that locks in behind the battery. And I can get a better >deal on most NEW phones from AT&T then I can going to the used market, so I'm >not real concerned with trying to find complete used phones in decent shape or >having to make sure they're "unlocked". I wouldn't count on that, but ATTWS will probably be gone soon in any event, so it won't matter.
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Steve Grauman - 07 Oct 2004 22:41 GMT >I wouldn't count on that, but ATTWS will probably be gone soon in any event, >so it won't matter. I get discounted pricing on new phones from AT&T becuase I'm a GSM customer. I've found that I can get most of the new phones from them at a negligible markup over what people want for them used on EBay. And by going through AT&T, I never have to worry about wether or not the phone will actually work with AT&T or if the phone is in decent shape and complete with all accesories. AT&T is being rolled into Cingular but I don't see much changing. If Cingular dumps to much of the former ATTW then they risk losing a lot of unhappy customers. Steve Grauman
John Navas - 08 Oct 2004 00:24 GMT >>I wouldn't count on that, but ATTWS will probably be gone soon in any event, >>so it won't matter. > >I get discounted pricing on new phones from AT&T becuase I'm a GSM customer. >I've found that I can get most of the new phones from them at a negligible >markup over what people want for them used on EBay. I personally find that I can significantly beat non-subsidy ATTWS prices on eBay.
>And by going through AT&T, >I never have to worry about wether or not the phone will actually work with >AT&T I don't either -- any unlocked or ATTWS-locked GSM phone with the necessary bands will work.
>or if the phone is in decent shape Haven't had a problem there.
>and complete with all accesories. Not important to me.
OTOH, I *don't* get locked in
>AT&T >is being rolled into Cingular but I don't see much changing. If Cingular dumps >to much of the former ATTW then they risk losing a lot of unhappy customers. That hasn't seemed to concern Cingular in the past, so I personally wouldn't count on it.
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Steve Grauman - 08 Oct 2004 00:40 GMT >I personally find that I can significantly beat non-subsidy ATTWS prices on >eBay. Well I can get a Samsung X426, a refurbished Nokia 3595 or a refurbished Sony-Ericsson T226 for FREE from AT&T right now. Or I could replace my T616 with the newer T637. MSRP is 269.99, I get a brand new one from AT&T for $79.99. There's a LOCKED AT&T specific T637 on EBay right now, currently bid up to $102.00. And There's an unlocked one going for $199.00. Doesn't seem like a significant savings to me.
>Not important to me It is to me. I don't find find the savings of a used phone to be worthwhile if I need to spend money buying missing wall chargers, headsets, batteries, etc...
>OTOH, I *don't* get locked in Yes you do. You have to sign a service contract for a period of at least 1 year. Either that or your using pre-paid service which would cost me a significant amount more per month than my AT&T plan is. Steve Grauman
John Navas - 08 Oct 2004 01:46 GMT >>I personally find that I can significantly beat non-subsidy ATTWS prices on >>eBay. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >to $102.00. And There's an unlocked one going for $199.00. Doesn't seem like a >significant savings to me. It's not really "free" -- you get locked into a contract. I was talking about "non-subsidy" prices.
>>Not important to me > >It is to me. I don't find find the savings of a used phone to be worthwhile if >I need to spend money buying missing wall chargers, headsets, batteries, etc... Never had that problem.
>>OTOH, I *don't* get locked in > >Yes you do. ... Nope.
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Steve Grauman - 08 Oct 2004 03:41 GMT >It's not really "free" -- you get locked into a contract. I was talking >about >"non-subsidy" prices. We all get locked into a contract. If I'm going to have to sign a contract then I may as well take a brand new phone at the subsidy price as opposed to paying more for a used item. As I pointed out, it IS less expensive then going via EBay. And I don't mind being in a plan for 2 years, I choose plans that work for me and I don't generally turn out unhappy.
>Nope. The only way you can avoid being locked into a provider for at least 1 year at a time is to go pre-paid. And like I said, my $39.99 a month plan actually ends up costing me less than pre-paid would. If you aren't getting locked in, you're probably stealing service somehow. Steve Grauman
John Navas - 08 Oct 2004 03:52 GMT >>It's not really "free" -- you get locked into a contract. I was talking >>about [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >more for a used item. As I pointed out, it IS less expensive then going via >EBay. As I pointed out, I disagree.
>And I don't mind being in a plan for 2 years, Good for you. I do.
>I choose plans that work >for me and I don't generally turn out unhappy. Lots of things can change in 2 years.
>The only way you can avoid being locked into a provider for at least 1 year at >a time is to go pre-paid. Or don't re-up. Or haggle a better deal.
>And like I said, my $39.99 a month plan actually ends >up costing me less than pre-paid would. If you aren't getting locked in, you're >probably stealing service somehow. I'm not locked in, and I'm not stealing service.
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John Navas - 08 Oct 2004 14:26 GMT >[POSTED TO alt.cellular.gsm - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE] > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Plus the menus are a bit less intuitive then my old T39m. 3. Lacks GSM 850 (a significant issue for Cingular and ATTWS in the USA)
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Peter - 06 Oct 2004 08:41 GMT > Not a bad GSM phone, but not worth the $400 prerelease tag. The > problem is that it really is a new external design for the T610. The > camera also is horrible, but that is not why I got the phone. Battery > life is wonderful! I charge once a week and use the phone about 2 > hours a week. Bluetooth never fails, unlike the symbian bluetooth of > NOKIA, and email is a snap. Have had it for about 6mnths. It's too thick for a phone (should have been .5 cm thinner!), camera is useless. Every now and then it becomes so sluggish (especially after using Java apps) that it has to be reset. About a month ago it started to switch itself off every now and then, had to take it to service center where they downgraded (!) the firmware, works fine for now.
I get 2-3 days out of it with BT & GPRS constantly on. Also, had problems using non-SE BT headset with it.
Peter
Steve Grauman - 06 Oct 2004 09:45 GMT >About a >month ago it started to switch itself off every now and then, had to take it >to service center where they downgraded (!) the firmware, I had a similar problem with a Motorola T720i. The phone was still under warranty so I took it to a service center where they upgraded the firmware. The problem kept on, and Motorola replaced the phone, although they made me re-use the factory battery from the first phone. When the 2nd phone began to have the same problem, they decided that it was probably a bad battery. Motorola told me that I was gonna have to pay for my own battery to see if that was really the problem, and that if the phone stopped having problems, they'd re-imburse me. Rather than go through the trouble, I complained to AT&T customer service who just gave me a new Sony Ericsson T616 for $10 to make me shut up. I haven't tried replacing the battery in that Motorola, but I'm fairly sure now that *it* was probably the source of the problem. You may want to look into it. I'd owned 3 other Motorola phones and hadn't had a problem with any of them. Steve Grauman
John Navas - 07 Oct 2004 08:31 GMT >> Not a bad GSM phone, but not worth the $400 prerelease tag. The >> problem is that it really is a new external design for the T610. The [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Have had it for about 6mnths. It's too thick for a phone (should have been >.5 cm thinner!), camera is useless. Useless? Although image quality could be better, I've found the camera handy on several occasions when I had neglected to bring a real digital camera.
>Every now and then it becomes so >sluggish (especially after using Java apps) that it has to be reset. I've never had that problem. In fact I'm very impressed with the way it handles simultaneous tasks; e.g., incoming text messages while I'm playing a game.
>About a >month ago it started to switch itself off every now and then, had to take it >to service center where they downgraded (!) the firmware, works fine for >now. That makes no sense -- sounds like you have some sort of hardware problem.
>I get 2-3 days out of it with BT & GPRS constantly on. I get 4-5 myself with BT & GPRS on. (BT draws some power in idle, but GPRS doesn't.) Perhaps you're in a weak signal area, which can significantly shorten battery life. Or perhaps your battery has degraded.
>Also, had problems >using non-SE BT headset with it. Can't comment on that -- I only use SE BT headsets, which work well.
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michael turner - 06 Oct 2004 13:16 GMT > Not a bad GSM phone, but not worth the $400 prerelease tag. The > problem is that it really is a new external design for the T610. z600 has a TFT screen, t610 has a STN screen.
Apart from the clamshell design, it's more or less the same as the t630.
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