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javivi - 08 Dec 2004 21:00 GMT
Hi.I have seen that is`possible to intercept conversations and hear it,is it
possible.Thanks
Al Klein - 09 Dec 2004 01:54 GMT
>Hi.I have seen that is`possible to intercept conversations and hear it,is it
>possible.

Yes, if you have enough money to pay for the equipment.
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John Phillips - 11 Dec 2004 10:58 GMT
> Yes, if you have enough money to pay for the equipment.

Wouldn't that also depend on the point of interception?

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Simon Templar - 11 Dec 2004 11:37 GMT
> Hi.I have seen that is`possible to intercept conversations and hear it,is it
> possible.Thanks

Usually interception of GSM phone calls takes place at the network
level, before it goes to air.  I'm sure with LARGE amounts of money
there would be equipment out there that can do it, if you could buy it!

Basically if you need to ask here if it could be done, you have
absolutely NO hope in hell of intercepting a GSM call.

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M4tt - 14 Dec 2004 19:05 GMT
>> Hi.I have seen that is`possible to intercept conversations and hear
>> it,is it
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> Basically if you need to ask here if it could be done, you have
> absolutely NO hope in hell of intercepting a GSM call.

easy cellphone evesdroping belong to our analog past.
Over the air traffic is encrypted between the phone and
the BTS, your large amount of money would have to be able
to purchase enough CPU cycle to break a 128bit key in
real time to be able to listen "live" to the conversation
such ressources are not yet common to this age.
John Navas - 14 Dec 2004 19:34 GMT
>>> Hi.I have seen that is`possible to intercept conversations and hear
>>> it,is it
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>real time to be able to listen "live" to the conversation
>such ressources are not yet common to this age.

See <http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=GSM>:

 A5 is the family of ciphers used for ensuring privacy between the
 base station and the mobile. There is generally no security from the
 base station to the rest of the phone network. This is where law
 enforcement taps take place. End-to-end privacy (encryption between
 one phone and another) was not implemented at the system level.

 There are two versions of the A5 cipher. When the GSM standard was
 being created, there were worries from law enforcement and national
 security interests that the encryption would be too strong. Countries
 such as France wanted a weak cipher that was easy to break; countries
 with strong privacy laws such as Germany wanted a strong cipher that
 was difficult to break. NATO was worried about countries like Iraq
 gaining access to strong cryptography.

 The end result was that two versions were created: A5/1 and A5/2.
 A5/1 was the full version, and was used within Europe and the USA.
 A5/2 was export strength - i.e. it was a weak cipher. There was a
 minor scuffle when it was discovered that Australia had been sold
 A5/2.

 On April 10, 2000, Alex Biryukov, Adi Shamir, and David Wagner
 published a paper entitled "Real Time Cryptanalysis of A5/1 on a PC".
 In it, they detailed weaknesses in the algorithm and in it's
 implementation that allowed the retrieval of a key for an
 A5/1-encrypted conversation within one second, using a normal
 personal computer. A5/1 has been exposed as being totally pathetic.

 Furthermore, it was revealed that the cipher was fairly simple - it
 only used three linear feedback shift registers (basic cipher
 components), and the last ten bits of the key were always zero.

 The inescapable conclusion was that all versions of A5 - including
 A5/1 - had been deliberately weakened.

See also "GSM Interception"
<http://www.dia.unisa.it/ads.dir/corso-security/www/CORSO-9900/a5/Nets...>
(or <http://makeashorterlink.com/?O26B12835>). Abstract:

 The GSM standard was designed to be a secure mobile phone system with
 strong subscriber authentication and over-the-air transmission
 encryption. The security model and algorithms were developed in
 secrecy and were never published. Eventually some of the algorithms
 and specifications have leaked out. The algorithms have been studied
 since and critical errors have been found. Thus, after a closer look
 at the GSM standard, one can see that the security model is not all
 that good. An attacker can go through the security model or even
 around it, and attack other parts of a GSM network, instead of the
 actual phone call. Although the GSM standard was supposed to prevent
 phone cloning and over-the-air eavesdropping, both of these are
 possible with little additional work compared to the analog mobile
 phone systems and can be implemented through various attacks. One
 should not send anything confidential over a GSM network without
 additional encryption if the data is supposed to stay confidential.

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