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64 Bit Sim Cards Philippines?

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Frank Thomas - 09 May 2006 22:06 GMT
I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use my old
NEC 415 Sim card in locally and when I travel to the Philippines or Jamaica
or any of the other places I go, pop in a local SIM card.

I just made the discover that the Cingular 2125 phone uses a 64 bit SIM card
(as explained by Cingular) and my old card in my NEC is a 32 bit and will
not work. Which means SIM cards that I used to use from abroad that worked
in my NEC won't work in the 2125.

So here is my question: does anyone know if you can buy 64 bit SIM cards
outside of the US in any of the following places:  Philippines, Jamaica,
Panama.

Thanks!
Frank Thomas - 11 May 2006 17:40 GMT
> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use my old
> NEC 415 Sim card in locally and when I travel to the Philippines or Jamaica
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Thanks!

Well I thought I would post what I found out from some unlocking services:

1) The Cingular 2125 can be unlocked,  there are a few services that say
they

2) They say it will run a 32 bit SIM card, they are supposed to be backwards
compatible, but, it will not have as much memory and certain
applications will not work. As such, the expectation is that unlocked 64 bit
phones should be able to run 32 bit SIMs from other countries at least for
making phone calls.
John Navas - 11 May 2006 19:41 GMT
>> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use my old
>> NEC 415 Sim card in locally and when I travel to the Philippines or
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>phones should be able to run 32 bit SIMs from other countries at least for
>making phone calls.

Do you really mean 32K and 64K?  That refers to size in kilobytes, not bits.

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Frank Thomas - 13 May 2006 02:37 GMT
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>
> Do you really mean 32K and 64K?  That refers to size in kilobytes, not bits.

I stand corrected
Armin Schumann - 14 May 2006 21:27 GMT
: > >> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use my
: old
: > >> NEC 415 Sim card in locally and when I travel to the Philippines or

: > Do you really mean 32K and 64K?  That refers to size in kilobytes, not
: bits.
:
: I stand corrected

I purchased a 128K SIM from Globe in the Philippines last May for my Nokia 6630.

Armin
Mike S. - 19 May 2006 14:00 GMT
>: > >> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use my
>: old
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>I purchased a 128K SIM from Globe in the Philippines last May for my Nokia 6630.

There are lots of truly ancient GSM phones in daily use in the Philippines; if
Globe or Smart ended up shutting them out by making incompatible SIM cards
there would be big trouble. The added membet just gives for a larger phone
book and space for SIM applicaions like banking, shopping, etc. I would not
expect any problem with one of these SIM cards in almost any phone they
fit into.
Chris Blunt - 20 May 2006 07:41 GMT
>>: > >> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use my
>>: old
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>expect any problem with one of these SIM cards in almost any phone they
>fit into.

Isn't the Cingular 2125 a 3G phone? Will a normal GSM SIM card work in
a 3G phone, or is a new type of SIM needed?

This could be the root of his problems, and we're just confusing the
issue by talking about memory capacity of the SIM.

Chris
Joseph Wind - 23 May 2006 09:45 GMT
> >>: > >> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use my
> >>: old
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> This could be the root of his problems, and we're just confusing the
> issue by talking about memory capacity of the SIM.

Typically the new phones work better with high capacity SIMs.  The higher
capacity SIMs usually have more features built in features to support the
new technology in the phones.  At least that was what I was told when I
upgraded to my current V3 RAZR.  I had an original PacBell GSM SIM, I got 10
years ago, and was told it would not work well in the new phones due to it's
memory capacity.  Good thing I had a new 64K SIM I got from another phone or
else I would have been charged for a new SIM.  I wish they had 128k SIMs
here in the States.
John Navas - 23 May 2006 14:57 GMT
>Typically the new phones work better with high capacity SIMs.  The higher
>capacity SIMs usually have more features built in features to support the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>else I would have been charged for a new SIM.  I wish they had 128k SIMs
>here in the States.

In the case of Cingular in the USA:

64K SIM: The only benefit to a 64K SIM is ENS, which allows Cingular to
manually "home" the phone OTA (over the air) to either the "blue" (old ATTWS
network) or the "orange" (old Cingular) network, but only with newer
ENS-capable mobiles.  (Even without ENS mobiles will still roam freely on both
networks, but not necessarily as well.)  Except for that, a 32K SIM works just
as well as a 64K SIM, and when the two networks are finally merged (as
expected later this year), ENS will become pointless, eliminating the benefit
of the 64K SIM even for ENS-capable mobiles.  There's no additional benefit to
a more costly 128K SIM (since Cingular isn't using SIM-based applications).

3G SIM: Needed for the new Cingular UMTS mobiles.

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Joseph Wind - 23 May 2006 09:36 GMT
> >: > >> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use my
> >: old
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> expect any problem with one of these SIM cards in almost any phone they
> fit into.

Some of the older SIMs don't work well in the newer phones.  I brought a few
T-Mobile 6600s to the Philippines last year.  Sold one to my wife's cousin
who had this old Globe SIM.  Though the phone unlocked with no hitches, it
did not like his SIM.  It worked with Smart and Globe 64k and 128k SIMs with
no problems.  His old phone was an old 5300, go figure!

I learned my lesson buying Cingular GSM phones, that are supposedly Tri or
Quad band phones.  Most of them are built to Cingular specs and they are
pretty much 850/1900Mhz only.  The only way to know for sure is to try the
phone out of the country.  T-Mobile on the other hand are pretty generic as
they come and are more compatible worldwide.
Mike S. - 23 May 2006 13:11 GMT
>> >: > >> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use
>my
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>phone out of the country.  T-Mobile on the other hand are pretty generic as
>they come and are more compatible worldwide.

For years T-Mobile has been disabling the GSM 850 band to prevent
unexpected roaming. As they activate more roaming agreements this is no
longer the case. However, other customizations (like disabling the web
sessions setup menu on Motorola phones - remediable with a seem edit)
still persist. To say that T-Mobile phones are "pretty generic" is
overstating the case considerably.
Joseph Wind - 24 May 2006 00:02 GMT
> >I learned my lesson buying Cingular GSM phones, that are supposedly Tri or
> >Quad band phones.  Most of them are built to Cingular specs and they are
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> still persist. To say that T-Mobile phones are "pretty generic" is
> overstating the case considerably.

My point that I was trying to get across, was that T-mobile GSM Phones in
the US are the same phones they use in Europe and Asia.  I coined the word
"generic", because they work almost anywhere, except Japan.  Compared to
Cingular/AT&T GSM phones of the same model family that don't always work
outside of the US.  T-Mobile tends to use Software rather than Hardware to
limit it's phones, which makes them more universal than Cingular phones.

For example, I purchased a couple of Cingular 3620 and 3650 phones.  They
did not work outside of the US, and after doing a conversion, they had other
problems.  I learned my lesson and no long buy Cingular Phones for export.
I buy mostly T-Mobile phones for export and up to now have no had any
problems unlocking and using them in GSM countries.  My last purchase of
Nokia 6600s were all T-Mobile and made in Finland, most of the Cingular
Nokia phones are made in China or Thailand.
John Navas - 24 May 2006 01:20 GMT
>> For years T-Mobile has been disabling the GSM 850 band to prevent
>> unexpected roaming. As they activate more roaming agreements this is no
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>outside of the US.  T-Mobile tends to use Software rather than Hardware to
>limit it's phones, which makes them more universal than Cingular phones.

Nonsense.  Cingular GSM phones are just as "universal" as T-Mobile or other
GSM phones.

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Paul Day - 24 May 2006 04:03 GMT
John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> may have written:
> Nonsense.  Cingular GSM phones are just as "universal" as T-Mobile or
> other GSM phones.

The dual-band 850/1900MHz-only phones sold by Cingular won't be though.

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John Navas - 24 May 2006 04:29 GMT
>John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> may have written:
>> Nonsense.  Cingular GSM phones are just as "universal" as T-Mobile or
>> other GSM phones.
>
>The dual-band 850/1900MHz-only phones sold by Cingular won't be though.

Well, doh!  :)  Likewise T-Mobile.  As noted in my prior post.  Please do keep
up.  ;)

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John Navas - 23 May 2006 15:08 GMT
>I learned my lesson buying Cingular GSM phones, that are supposedly Tri or
>Quad band phones.  Most of them are built to Cingular specs and they are
>pretty much 850/1900Mhz only.  The only way to know for sure is to try the
>phone out of the country.  T-Mobile on the other hand are pretty generic as
>they come and are more compatible worldwide.

Cingular-branded phones with appropriate bands actually work just as well out
of the USA as T-Mobile.  Both Cingular and T-Mobile offer standard 850/1900
dual-band USA-only phones (e.g., Nokia 6010), 850/1800/1900 tri-band phones
(e.g., Nokia 6101), and quad-band phones (e.g., Motorola RAZR V3).

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matt weber - 23 May 2006 21:56 GMT
>> >: > >> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use
>my
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>phone out of the country.  T-Mobile on the other hand are pretty generic as
>they come and are more compatible worldwide.

The original sims were built with 5 Volt electronics, which are no
supported (no +5 volt supply any longer), however the storage capacity
on these sims was so limited, that very few are probably still in use.
I know I asked Optus
Australia to replace one a few years ago that was 6 years old. They
didn't argue about it, or charge me. They just copied the contents of
the old sim using an old Nokia Phone onto the new SIM, put it in,
registered the SIM to my phone number, and that was that. No charge.
 
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