John Henderson <jhenRemoveThis@talk21.com> wrote in news:4mlv1eF6oda4U1
@individual.net:
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> Read and understand the "terms and conditions" from your carrier
> covering use of the card. You will probably need to either:
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> realize you've said this isn't an option, but I don't
> understand why) , or
It is indeed not an option - I'll explain.
I buy a new prepaid card (15 euro), so now I can call for 15 euro. One
year later, I still have 14 euro left for example.
So I need to top up the card again, in order to keep it active. That
costs me a minimum of 15 euro. Status of the card at that point: 29 euro.
One year later, I still have most of that left.
Each additional year piles up the dough on the card, which I'll never
use.
That's why it's not an option - I'm paying a multiple of what I'm using!
> 2) continue to let the cards expire, and get new ones (changing
> your number each time).
Better solution as the previous, but it still does not enable me to use
up my prepaid value.
> Assuming the phone is unlocked, look at alternative carriers in
> your country, and choose the best deal for your low usage.
This is about the cheapest solution I found - but it still feels like I'm
being robbed. Let's rephrase that: I AM being robbed.
> If your problem is that you simply can't remember to top up, I'm
> sure someone can come up with creative suggestions.
As you can see above, remembering is not the problem.
Ikke
Geoffrey S. Mendelson - 11 Sep 2006 22:41 GMT
> This is about the cheapest solution I found - but it still feels like I'm
> being robbed. Let's rephrase that: I AM being robbed.
No, you are not. There is a cost to the service provider to maintain your
account, your phone number, etc. What you miss is that you are being charged
a certain rate for air time with a 15E a year minimum.
They are only charging you slightly more than a Euro a month for the
privledge of having an account with them, and a phone number, etc.
In reality, it's quite a bargain. Phone numbers are not an unlimited
resource, computer memory, etc.
Price the same service from your local landline company, it's probably more
than 15E a month.
Geoff.

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Chris Blunt - 12 Sep 2006 03:25 GMT
>> This is about the cheapest solution I found - but it still feels like I'm
>> being robbed. Let's rephrase that: I AM being robbed.
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>Price the same service from your local landline company, it's probably more
>than 15E a month.
>15 a year is such a tiny amount of money I find it unbelievable that
anyone would spend time worrying about it, especially when the service
they get for it meets their needs.
Chris
Ikke - 12 Sep 2006 12:21 GMT
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> €15 a year is such a tiny amount of money I find it unbelievable that
> anyone would spend time worrying about it, especially when the service
> they get for it meets their needs.
Whether the amount of money is tiny or not, does not matter - I just don't
think it's right. It's a matter of principle - if I pay for something, I
expect to be able to use it for the paid amount.
Ikke
Chris Blunt - 12 Sep 2006 13:42 GMT
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>> >15 a year is such a tiny amount of money I find it unbelievable that
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>think it's right. It's a matter of principle - if I pay for something, I
>expect to be able to use it for the paid amount.
You can use it. The problem, if I've understood you correctly, is that
you don't have a need to use it.
If I buy a piece of fruit and take only one bite out of it, I'm not
going to expect the remainder of it to still be edible a year later.
There are countless other examples of things we buy every day that
have a limited validity and expire after a certain period of time.
The only basis on which you might have reason to complain is if the
terms and conditions under which the card was sold to you failed to
state that you had to recharge it within a certain time.
Perhaps you could explain in more detail why it is that you have a
need to use this SIM card to make calls totaling just 1 a year?
Perhaps there's some other way to achieve whatever it is you are
trying to do.
Chris
Ikke - 12 Sep 2006 17:45 GMT
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> You can use it. The problem, if I've understood you correctly, is that
> you don't have a need to use it.
True.
> If I buy a piece of fruit and take only one bite out of it, I'm not
> going to expect the remainder of it to still be edible a year later.
> There are countless other examples of things we buy every day that
> have a limited validity and expire after a certain period of time.
Probably - but it's more like wanting to buy one piece of fruit to eat, and
being forced to buy ten pieces.
> The only basis on which you might have reason to complain is if the
> terms and conditions under which the card was sold to you failed to
> state that you had to recharge it within a certain time.
Oh it's in the TAC allright. Whether you buy prepaid or use a subscription,
the same applies.
> Perhaps you could explain in more detail why it is that you have a
> need to use this SIM card to make calls totaling just €1 a year?
> Perhaps there's some other way to achieve whatever it is you are
> trying to do.
The phone is only used in case of an emergency (accident or something),
that's why I only use up so little.
Ikke
John Henderson - 11 Sep 2006 23:08 GMT
> It is indeed not an option - I'll explain.
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> That's why it's not an option - I'm paying a multiple of what
> I'm using!
That's part of the agreed cost of using the service. My wife
and I each have accumulated more than A$500 credit on our
pre-paid SIMs over the years. That money is available for our
use if we ever choose to make the calls (assuming we keep the
SIMs active by continuing to top up).
15 euros per year is very cheap. Our carrier (Telstra
Australia) recently tripled the minimum amount required to keep
a SIM active from A$60 to A$180 per year (now over 100 euros)
to keep a pre-paid SIM active.
John