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Nigel Molesworth - 14 Feb 2008 11:54 GMT

Is it possible to clone a SIM? I'm not talking about the user data, I mean
the whole thing - so the network thinks it is the original.

Not for any illegal purpose; I just want to keep a spare phone in my wife's
car for emergencies.

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Michael N. Paris - 14 Feb 2008 22:21 GMT

> Is it possible to clone a SIM? I'm not talking about the user data, I mean
> the whole thing - so the network thinks it is the original.
>
> Not for any illegal purpose; I just want to keep a spare phone in my
> wife's
> car for emergencies.

That is an illegal use, better off keeping an old phone which will work with
911 or credit card use per call. Or better yet, get a cheap per paid phone
for her use.

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blue box thief - 15 Feb 2008 14:13 GMT

>> Is it possible to clone a SIM? I'm not talking about the user data, I mean
>> the whole thing - so the network thinks it is the original.
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> 911 or credit card use per call. Or better yet, get a cheap per paid phone
> for her use.

Yes that is 100% illegal and when they catch you, your screwed!

Now, if all you want it for is for emergency calls, any (GSM/WCDMA device)
mobile device will call 999/112 emergency calls for free.

This is a legal requirement (in Europe definately).

Hope that helps...
b

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Andreas Wenzel - 15 Feb 2008 16:29 GMT

blue box thief schrieb:

> [...]
> This is a legal requirement (in Europe definately).

At least not in the UK - have tried it. The Wikipedia also speaks of
many other countries not supporting emergency calls without a SIM:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_telephone_number#Emergency_numbers_and_mo
bile_telephones

|| [...]
|| Dialing 112 forces the phone to make the call on any
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|| [...] Latin American GSM networks typically do not allow
|| 112 calls without a SIM. [...]

The text says 112 but technically there is no difference to 911.

Andreas

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danny burstein - 15 Feb 2008 16:30 GMT

>blue box thief schrieb:
>> [...]
>> This is a legal requirement (in Europe definately).

>At least not in the UK - have tried it. The Wikipedia also speaks of
>many other countries not supporting emergency calls without a SIM:

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_telephone_number#Emergency_numbers_and_mo
bile_telephones

It _does_ work in the US (the FCC has mandated it) with
the cautionary reminder that the phone, being a radio, has
to be within range of a compatable cellular tower.

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blue box thief - 15 Feb 2008 17:29 GMT

> blue box thief schrieb:
>> [...]
>> This is a legal requirement (in Europe definately).
>
> At least not in the UK - have tried it. The Wikipedia also speaks of
> many other countries not supporting emergency calls without a SIM:

Hi Andreas,

Hmm, I stand corrected then. Thanks. I did assume all countries had to do it.
I know IE does.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_telephone_number#Emergency_numbers_and_mo
bile_telephones
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> The text says 112 but technically there is no difference to 911.

yes essentially they are correct, but i would like to try
with 911 also :) maybe the next upgrade someone does they could try it.. :)

thanks
b

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Nigel Molesworth - 15 Feb 2008 17:55 GMT

>Yes that is 100% illegal and when they catch you, your screwed!

I don't see how it can be, I'm not using both at once. The plan was to
duplicate her PAYG SIM in case she left her phone behind.

Not interested in 999/911 calls, just an "emergency spare".

Any thoughts, with these clarifications?

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Rüdiger Link - 17 Feb 2008 15:49 GMT

> I don't see how it can be, I'm not using both at once. The plan was to
> duplicate her PAYG SIM in case she left her phone behind.

Doesn't matter. You are not allowed to do this,
as simple as that. Neither cloning a sim card
nor using it in a phone.

Just on a side note, you wouldn't manage to
clone the card anyway - from that prospective,
quite a theoretical debate.

> Any thoughts, with these clarifications?

Buy a prepaid phone for emergency use or ask
your network operator for a dual sim, partner
card or however it is called there. I have a
Vodafone Dual Sim which allows me to use 2
identical cards but only one at the same time.
This is the only legal way to do it.

Rüdiger

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