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Cellular Phone Forum / General / GSM / April 2008Quad-Band V195 $40 from T-Mobile with $25 airtime card
T-Mobile is having a promotion (on-line only, not in stores) of their prepaid phones with $25 airtime cards included. The Motorola V195, ($39.99) is a good basic quad-band phone to take overseas to use with prepaid SIM cards. I bought one (unfortunately prior to the $25 promotion) and I had it unlocked by an unlocking service ($15). I can't use T-Mobile where I live as the coverage is terrible, but it's a good phone to use with other prepaid GSM services on AT&T's network, i.e. 7-11 SpeakOut. I was using a very old Motorola P7389 GSM phone which was problematic because prepaid providers in some countries send out text messages with passwords, and that phone could not receive text messages. >T-Mobile is having a promotion (on-line only, not in stores) of their >prepaid phones with $25 airtime cards included. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >out text messages with passwords, and that phone could not receive text >messages. Have seen some negative comments about this model's high SAR values. >> T-Mobile is having a promotion (on-line only, not in stores) of their >> prepaid phones with $25 airtime cards included. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Have seen some negative comments about this model's high SAR values. Yes, it has the maximum allowable. Motorola GSM phones tend to have high SAR ratings. If it was a phone I used a lot then I'd not get it, but it's just for very occasional use when traveling to Europe and Asia. Of course if you really care about exposure to radiation, use CDMA, which has much less radiation. Especially with the new studies that _do_ show a link between cell phone use and brain cancer risk. Or use a wired headset. > Of course if you really care about exposure to radiation, use CDMA, > which has much less radiation. Do you care to back that up, or is this another of your "unbiased" CDMA vs. GSM comparisons? If you actually bother to compare the SAR ratings between GSM and CDMA phones of the same model, where's the "much less radiation?" Pulling some Motorola SAR Values (they often make the same phone in both CDMA and GSM, unlike, say, Nokia) from CNet: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6620_7-6258775-4.html?tag=lnav ... You'll see, for example, that the Moto Q9 has a 1.3 W/kg in CDMA vs 1.29 in GSM, the Razr V9 is 0.52 GSM Vs. 0.71 CDMA, the V3 0.89 vs. 1.14, the Krzr 1.07 (G) vs. 1.03 (C). All pretty close. There are a few big differences (the old V60 was only 0.42 in CDMA but 1.26 in GSM, yet the Sprint CDMA PTT version was also 1.26, so I don't know what's up there.) Even outside Motorola, similar models from other manufacturers seem to have similar SARs. Admittedly, while MOST of the "10 highest US models" list were GSM (7 of 10), ALL of the 10 lowest SAR phones available in the US were GSM. >> Of course if you really care about exposure to radiation, use CDMA, >> which has much less radiation. > > Do you care to back that up, or is this another of your "unbiased" CDMA vs. > GSM comparisons? You can learn more about it at "http://www.mobicare.com/news.asp?idNews=4". >>> Of course if you really care about exposure to radiation, use CDMA, >>> which has much less radiation. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You can learn more about it at "http://www.mobicare.com/news.asp?idNews=4". I think I'd trust the actual SAR measurements more than that explanation of why the SAR measurements should apparently be something else. It also seems to be a bit confused about peak versus average power output, which may be the reason why the SAR values in real life aren't like he thinks they should be. Dennis Ferguson > > Do you care to back that up, or is this another of your "unbiased" CDMA vs. > > GSM comparisons? > > You can learn more about it at "http://www.mobicare.com/news.asp?idNews=4". Yep- that clears it up- an unattributed, outdated page from an "under construction" website, vs. the FCC mandated testing method SAR levels! All your citation says about radiation is: "As far as radiation level concerned, CDMA is the most harmless one among all existing technologies. Of course, it transmits microwaves while on standby mode, like other technologies do. However, CDMA technology checks 800 times per second its transmission level. Therefore, radiation level is 10 times less than AMPS and GSM. Smart, isn't it?" Huh? So if my digital car speedometer samples my speed 800 times per second I'm going 10 times slower than if it doesn't? Since CDMA trasmits continually at a lower output whereas GSM transmits in bursts, albeit at higher power, I guess my dumb analog would be that GSM is like having a series of X-Rays taken, vs. the continuous low-level fallout of CDMA! ;-) At the end of the call, we've both absorbed the same amount of radiation, hence the similar SAR values between GSM and CDMA phones. > Yes, it has the maximum allowable. Motorola GSM phones tend to have high > SAR ratings. If it was a phone I used a lot then I'd not get it, but > it's just for very occasional use when traveling to Europe and Asia. What is SAA? Does that mean the phone has a little more oomph than their competition at getting a call through? > Of course if you really care about exposure to radiation, use CDMA, > which has much less radiation. Especially with the new studies that _do_ > show a link between cell phone use and brain cancer risk. Or use a wired > headset. Can you back that up with some websites from the American Medical Association or the FDA?  SignatureFrom the Desk of the Sysop of: Planet Maca's Opus, a Free open BBS system. telnet://pinkrose.dhis.org Web Site: http://pinkrose.dhis.org, Dialup 860-618-3091 300-33600 bps The New Cnews maintainer B'ichela > What is SAA? Does that mean the phone has a little more oomph > than their competition at getting a call through? I read that wrong when repied (oops) I know what SAR is, but my bad eyesight saw it as SAA. Does a higher SAR increase range though? Still would like to know. SignatureFrom the Desk of the Sysop of: Planet Maca's Opus, a Free open BBS system. telnet://pinkrose.dhis.org Web Site: http://pinkrose.dhis.org, Dialup 860-618-3091 300-33600 bps The New Cnews maintainer B'ichela > The Motorola V195, ($39.99) is a good basic quad-band phone to take > overseas to use with prepaid SIM cards. I bought one (unfortunately > prior to the $25 promotion) and I had it unlocked by an unlocking > service ($15). T-Mobile will unlock their phones at no charge if you've been a customer in good standing for 90 days, and for pre-paid customers, have added time within the past 30 days. SignatureBert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com >> The Motorola V195, ($39.99) is a good basic quad-band phone to take >> overseas to use with prepaid SIM cards. I bought one (unfortunately [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > customer in good standing for 90 days, and for pre-paid customers, > have added time within the past 30 days. Yes, but I couldn't wait for 90 days unfortunately. Also, I probably won't bother to even activate the T-Mobile service, as the T-Mobile coverage in my ares is so bad that I can't use it in many areas. I can stick my 7-11 SpeakOut SIM card into the phone, which makes it work on AT&T. In news:47fe9cb7$0$36412$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: >>> The Motorola V195, ($39.99) is a good basic quad-band phone to take >>> overseas to use with prepaid SIM cards. I bought one (unfortunately [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Yes, but I couldn't wait for 90 days unfortunately. In your case, spending just $15 to get it unlocked makes sense. For folks who might actually be T-Mobile customers, the information could be useful. SignatureBert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com > For folks who might actually be T-Mobile customers, the information > could be useful. It was slightly amusing. The ad on craigslist had an address, which turned out to be a doughnut shop in San Jose. The unlocker arrived with a notebook computer, went in the back with the phone, and ten minutes later came out with it unlocked. I tried three SIMs in it, 7-11 SpeakOut (AT&T), MaxRoam (worldwide roaming card), and FarEastone (Taiwan) and all worked. >>> The Motorola V195, ($39.99) is a good basic quad-band phone to take >>> overseas to use with prepaid SIM cards. I bought one (unfortunately >>> prior to the $25 promotion) and I had it unlocked by an unlocking >>> service ($15). Okeh. >> T-Mobile will unlock their phones at no charge if you've been a >> customer in good standing for 90 days, and for pre-paid customers, >> have added time within the past 30 days. A T-Mobile customer in good standing can do this for you. I put my SIM in your phone and call customer service. In 90 days, I can do it again. Regards > >> T-Mobile will unlock their phones at no charge if you've been a > >> customer in good standing for 90 days, and for pre-paid customers, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > in your phone and call customer service. In 90 days, I can do it again. > Regards Just an FYI- T-Mo now limits the number of unlock codes they'll issue customers to two per year, IIRC. (Not a huge deal- it really only reduces the the old yearly number by two since the "one every 90 days" maxes out to four a year.) > Just an FYI- T-Mo now limits the number of unlock codes they'll issue > customers to two per year, IIRC. (Not a huge deal- it really only reduces > the the old yearly number by two since the "one every 90 days" maxes out > to > four a year.) Todd, Is that per account or two for each phone number on the account? Rod > > Just an FYI- T-Mo now limits the number of unlock codes they'll issue > > customers to two per year, IIRC. (Not a huge deal- it really only reduces [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Is that per account or two for each phone number on the account? Good question... I didn't ask! They just "warned me" after I asked for my last code. >> > Just an FYI- T-Mo now limits the number of unlock codes they'll issue >> > customers to two per year, IIRC. (Not a huge deal- it really only [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > my > last code. Probably (hopefully) per number, I have 4 lines on my account and I got codes more than 4 times a year. Rod In alt.cellular.gsm Gordon Huff <wa6fmx@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > >> T-Mobile will unlock their phones at no charge if you've been a > >> customer in good standing for 90 days, and for pre-paid customers, > >> have added time within the past 30 days. > A T-Mobile customer in good standing can do this for you. I put my SIM > in your phone and call customer service. In 90 days, I can do it again. > Regards Why even bother putting your SIM in? They don't check or even care if the IMEI is active on that SIM/account. I have unlocked several phones using friend's and families accounts and all they care about are the 90 day and credit within 30 days on that specific account. In the past I had a few go through that were new accounts even or definitely under 90 days old, but, they seem to have become less flexible on that lately. |
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