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Cellular Phone Forum / General / GSM / November 2003NEWS: First CDMA /GSM Phone Introduced
This was released around the nd of October and I had not seen it. So if it was posted before, sorry for the repeat. As a Verizon/TMOBILE customer, I find it interesting, but doubt I would be looking at a first round product. The Samsung SCH-A790 is the first handset to support both the CDMA and GSM mobile phone standards. It is a clamshell style phone with dual color displays and an integrated camera. It has recently been approved by the FCC in the United States and is expected to be offered by Verizon Wireless. Seen at Mobileburn without pictures. >The Samsung SCH-A790 is the first handset to support both the CDMA and GSM >mobile phone standards. It is a clamshell style phone with dual color >displays and an integrated camera. It has recently been approved by the FCC >in the United States and is expected to be offered by Verizon Wireless. Bluetooth?  SignatureAgainst stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. - Friedrich von Schiller In alt.cellular.verizon Scott in Aztl?n <slothkills@theyahooobvious.com> wrote: >>The Samsung SCH-A790 is the first handset to support both the CDMA and GSM >>mobile phone standards. It is a clamshell style phone with dual color >>displays and an integrated camera. It has recently been approved by the FCC >>in the United States and is expected to be offered by Verizon Wireless. > > Bluetooth? Let me ask a rhetorical question: Who cares? :) I've seen no compelling reason to get Bluetooth, even though I have a cousin who wants me to buy a Mercedes with a Bluetooth-enabled, integrated cell phone included in the package... :P SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950 Steve Sobol, Proprietor 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net Bluetooth is nice for wireless data where you are not using an integrated device. I'm a lawyer. I cannot take my mobile phone into federal court, but can take my PDA in. and I need it there. Imagine going to court without your calendar! Bluetooth permits me to use my PDA just like an integrated device and also to use my notebook in that fashion. I have a bluetooth headset, but don't really love it. Stu > In alt.cellular.verizon Scott in Aztl?n <slothkills@theyahooobvious.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > who wants me to buy a Mercedes with a Bluetooth-enabled, integrated cell phone > included in the package... :P >In alt.cellular.verizon Scott in Aztl?n <slothkills@theyahooobvious.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Let me ask a rhetorical question: Who cares? :) Quite a few people, aparently - see my other post re: the "Telematics Killer App." SignatureAgainst stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. - Friedrich von Schiller > In alt.cellular.verizon Scott in Aztl?n > <slothkills@theyahooobvious.com> wrote: >> Bluetooth? > > Let me ask a rhetorical question: Who cares? :) Oh my, I'm in love with bluetooth. Let me count the ways. My t610 syncs wirelessly with my desktop effortlessly, all while in my pocket or briefcase. Since the t610 can do calendar, alarms, contact lists, this is a dream come true. If my phone rings in my briefcase, I get an alert on my desktop's screen. If I receive an SMS, the contents of said SMS appear on my desktop's screen and I can reply right there. My laptop can connect to the internet via GPRS through the phone, again while it's in my pocket or briefcase. My PocketPC with bluetooth CF card can jump on the net for browsing or downloading my email, for times when a laptop is just too much to be carrying around. And -- finally, my new Toyota Prius on order has bluetooth in it. I love my bluetooth devices! btw, lack of bluetooth with verizon caused me to have to jump to T-mobile. For the bluetooth and international roaming. I still have them both. If a CDMA/GSM phone with bluetooth is offered by verizon with reasonable world roaming rates, I'll dump t-mobile. If not, hmm, well, t-mobile coverage in U.S. is still kinda lacking... :-( Nigel Poncewattle <poncewattle@comcast.net> wrote in message > My laptop can connect to the internet via GPRS through the phone, again > while it's in my pocket or briefcase. Nigel, are you enjoying high-speed connectivity without paying for a separate data service? > Nigel Poncewattle <poncewattle@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Nigel, are you enjoying high-speed connectivity without paying for a > separate data service? GPRS isn't really high speed, about 50-60Kbps generally. The price is right, $20/month unlimited access. Far cheaper than Verizon's Express Network at $80/month In alt.cellular.verizon PDA Man <pda@man.com> wrote: > This was released around the nd of October and I had not seen it. So if it > was posted before, sorry for the repeat. As a Verizon/TMOBILE customer, I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Seen at Mobileburn without pictures. This is huge. This means that, for the first time, a Verizon Wireless customer could go roam on Vodafone's network without having to buy or rent a phone. (Assuming, of course, that the 790 runs on European GSM frequencies. Verizon Wireless already has an international package involving Vodafone, which is VZW's minority owner, but you have to rent a phone when you get there.) I mean, I'm sorry, but a phone that roams on US GSM frequencies would not be real useful to Verizon customers... Cingular's GSM network is nowhere near the size of Verizon's CDMA network, and VZW's CDMA footprint overlays it in most areas. Same with AT&T. T-Mobile might be closer, but I still suspect that VZW's coverage is *much* more comprehensive than T-Mobile's. So the way this would make the most sense is for it to run on the European GSM frequencies and allow Verizon customers to roam on Vodafone in Europe and in other places where they have a GSM network. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950 Steve Sobol, Proprietor 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net GSM roaming on US frequencies could be helpful in the Carribean, South America, and Latin America as well. Even in countries where there is a CDMA network, the ability, for Verizon to be able to negotiate by saying "you won't give us xxx per minute, we will go negotiate a deal with Island GSM instead" may have an advantage. Now, what I'd like to see is an extended no roaming plans, e.g. "World's Choice" -- no roaming on the Voda network! Stu > In alt.cellular.verizon PDA Man <pda@man.com> wrote: > > This was released around the nd of October and I had not seen it. So if it [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > GSM frequencies and allow Verizon customers to roam on Vodafone in Europe > and in other places where they have a GSM network. > GSM roaming on US frequencies could be helpful in the Carribean, South > America, and Latin America as well. Even in countries where there is a CDMA [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Now, what I'd like to see is an extended no roaming plans, e.g. "World's > Choice" -- no roaming on the Voda network! I doubt it would happen unless Vodafone ran the show, because otherwise Vodafone would be absorbing all if not most of the charges when Verizon Communications should be the one paying for most of it (being a majority stakeholder). It just wouldn't make sense unless you paid about $200/month for 150 minutes or something. AD They do this with their new Canada/Mexico plan. Europeans, however, cann't (for the most part) get one rate rates for neighboring countries so I really know that I'm dreaming. I think there is a little "free" roaming between Italy and Switzerland and another plan with France and Belgium, but not really much. There isn't free roaming between places you'd really expect it, e.g.: the Chanel Island/UK; NOrthern Ireland/Ireland; Germany/Austria; etc. The biggest agreement I've seen so far is Bell Canada's North American plan which includes all of Mexico, the US, Canada, and Hong Kong (that great "North American" country). Stu > > GSM roaming on US frequencies could be helpful in the Carribean, South > > America, and Latin America as well. Even in countries where there is a CDMA [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > AD > They do this with their new Canada/Mexico plan. Europeans, however, cann't > (for the most part) get one rate rates for neighboring countries so I really > know that I'm dreaming. I think there is a little "free" roaming between > Italy and Switzerland and another plan with France and Belgium, but not > really much. There isn't free roaming between places you'd really expect > it, e.g.: the Chanel Island/UK; NOrthern Ireland/Ireland; Germany/Austria; > etc. The biggest agreement I've seen so far is Bell Canada's North American > plan which includes all of Mexico, the US, Canada, and Hong Kong (that great > "North American" country). However, one thing to note, in the past few years VZW's Canadian roaming has changed much. Most VZW phones used to roam on SaskTel Mobility and MTS Mobility, as well as Telus Mobility. Because SaskTel Mobility and MTS Mobility are Crowns, they have more comprehensive coverage than does Telus Mobility. However, because Verizon Communicaiton owns approximately a 30% stake in Telus Mobility, it is their preferred roaming partner, and in certain areas, coverage is sparse with Telus. If I'm not mistaken, with the new PRL's, VZW users can no longer roam with SaskTel or MTS at all (please correct me if I'm wrong). AD In alt.cellular.verizon PDA Man <pda@man.com> wrote: > This was released around the nd of October and I had not seen it. So if it > was posted before, sorry for the repeat. As a Verizon/TMOBILE customer, I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Seen at Mobileburn without pictures. Wow. As a followup: Runs on CDMA 800/1900 *and* on GSM 900 and 1800. Smart move. No analog, though. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950 Steve Sobol, Proprietor 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * sjsobol@JustThe.net Isn't that how it always is? You have to give up going camping up north in exchange for being able to travel overseas. Rediculus. -Jeff > In alt.cellular.verizon PDA Man <pda@man.com> wrote: > > Wow. As a followup: Runs on CDMA 800/1900 *and* on GSM 900 and 1800. > Smart move. No analog, though. >This was released around the nd of October and I had not seen it. So if it >was posted before, sorry for the repeat. As a Verizon/TMOBILE customer, I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >displays and an integrated camera. It has recently been approved by the FCC >in the United States and is expected to be offered by Verizon Wireless. What I haven't seen, in the releases about it, up to now, is whether there's a SIM for that phone that works in generic GSM phones. Any info? >>This was released around the nd of October and I had not seen it. So if it >>was posted before, sorry for the repeat. As a Verizon/TMOBILE customer, I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Any info? I would be willing to bet it works like a GAIT phone does. GAIT phones require the ESN for authentication with Analog and TDMA systems, but require a regular SIM for authentication with GSM. I'm sure that the SIM would prevent GSM roaming anywhere the 850/1900 frequencies are used. It would probably take more engineering than it's worth to come up with a SIM that would only work in the GSM/CDMA phone, plus, if you take the SIM out and put it into a regular GSM phone with 900/1800, you'd still be paying to Verizon Wireless, so it wouldn't matter anyway (in terms of billing). AD [This response was written several days ago and accidentally not sent. If it seems out of sync, that is what is going on]. I'm not sure about that. I think the ESN's are on the SIM. The Siemens phone offered by ATT which did both GSM and TDMA did not utilize the GAIT standard to do it. Cingular has specific SIMs for GAIT phones. CDMA phones in China utilize a SIM so the standard is in place for a CDMA SIM. Nextel has also implemented the SIM for iDEN. While I agree that the problem of double use of the SIM in Europe and in the US simultaneously would be minimal, remember that they will probably want to rent these phones to persons coming to the US. I suspect that this phone will be going on sale in Korea as well for obvious reasons. Stu I would be willing to bet it works like a GAIT phone does. GAIT phones > require the ESN for authentication with Analog and TDMA systems, but > require a regular SIM for authentication with GSM. I'm sure that the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > AD > [This response was written several days ago and accidentally not sent. If > it seems out of sync, that is what is going on]. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > rent these phones to persons coming to the US. I suspect that this phone > will be going on sale in Korea as well for obvious reasons. Actually, the Cingular GAIT sims work differently. I have two GAIT phones - T62u, and 6340i. I can put the SIM in the 6340i, and it works with GSM systems, but not TDMA or AMPS. I can also put the SIM in a GSM only phone, and it works just fine. A GSM SIM from a GSM nation plan also works in the GAIT phone with no problems. My SIM was activate while I was roaming in a TDMA only area, but I don't think that should make a difference. AD So when will this phone be available on the market? > This was released around the nd of October and I had not seen it. So if it > was posted before, sorry for the repeat. As a Verizon/TMOBILE customer, I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Seen at Mobileburn without pictures. On this particular phone 1. The CDMA band is in 850/1900 2. The GSM in 900/1800 so in GSM it will NOT work in USA, Canada or other countries that have embraced 1900 MHz. Good for europe and Asia only > So when will this phone be available on the market? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > Seen at Mobileburn without pictures. |
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