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ATT takeover by Cingular, What do ATT customers

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Frank Thomas - 18 Feb 2004 19:46 GMT
This morning's paper tellsme that ATT is being taken over by Cingular, and
had this cryptic statement
that eventually,  ATT customers would have to bring their phones in to a
Cingular to be "adjusted"

Anyone know what this adjustment is?    We have ATT GSM phones, I am
guessing maybe they will unlock them for us, so Cingular SIMS can be
inserted, which would be nice.   Can't imagine what ATT customers on TDMA
phones will have to do
Jer - 19 Feb 2004 00:15 GMT
> This morning's paper tellsme that ATT is being taken over by Cingular, and
> had this cryptic statement
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> guessing maybe they will unlock them for us, so Cingular SIMS can be
> inserted, which would be nice.  

That is precisely what the adjustment is - nothing more need be done.

> Can't imagine what ATT customers on TDMA
> phones will have to do

Once the TDMA database from ATTWS is merged with Cingular's current
database, viola!

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Stuart Friedman - 20 Feb 2004 14:30 GMT
I hope this doesn't mean that our phones will be relocked to Cingular.  It
took me foreever to get my phone unlocked.

Stu

> > This morning's paper tellsme that ATT is being taken over by Cingular, and
> > had this cryptic statement
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Once the TDMA database from ATTWS is merged with Cingular's current
> database, viola!
Trey - 20 Feb 2004 14:49 GMT
If your phone is unlocked, I don't think you have to worry, you just need to
get a Cingular SIM and pop it in.

> I hope this doesn't mean that our phones will be relocked to Cingular.  It
> took me foreever to get my phone unlocked.
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> > Once the TDMA database from ATTWS is merged with Cingular's current
> > database, viola!
Joseph - 20 Feb 2004 17:33 GMT
>I hope this doesn't mean that our phones will be relocked to Cingular.  It
>took me foreever to get my phone unlocked.
>
>Stu

I'd start worrying now if I were you.  It's probably all going to
change by next weekend.

>> > This morning's paper tellsme that ATT is being taken over by Cingular,
>and
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>> Once the TDMA database from ATTWS is merged with Cingular's current
>> database, viola!

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John S. - 21 Feb 2004 23:17 GMT
>I hope this doesn't mean that our phones will be relocked to Cingular.  It
>took me foreever to get my phone unlocked.

You wouldn't need to take it in then would you if the previous poster was
correct.

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John S. - 21 Feb 2004 23:17 GMT
>I am
>> guessing maybe they will unlock them for us, so Cingular SIMS can be
>> inserted, which would be nice.  
>
>That is precisely what the adjustment is - nothing more need be done.

And where did you discover this piece of information?

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Jer - 22 Feb 2004 07:02 GMT
>>I am
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> And where did you discover this piece of information?

There's not much discover here - if your phone is unlocked, you get a
new Cingulr SIM - if your phone is locked, you take it in to be
re-locked and get a new Cingular SIM.

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Joseph - 22 Feb 2004 20:21 GMT
>>>I am
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>new Cingulr SIM - if your phone is locked, you take it in to be
>re-locked and get a new Cingular SIM.

And you assume a lot.  You don't have any real idea of what will
happen.

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Jer - 23 Feb 2004 00:04 GMT
>>>>I am
>>>>
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> And you assume a lot.  You don't have any real idea of what will
> happen.

Yeah, Joe, you're probably right, I'm assuming a lot.  Truth is, it's
more likely a great conspiracy to trick everyone with the Mystery of the
Century (yes, this century).  Cingular and ATTWS will huddle together in
shared boardrooms of teak tables and hemp hammocks, concoct a new threat
to national security.  Afterwards, the TSA will require us turn our
handsets under cover of darkness for submission to the Big Bad Witch,
whereby a dirty, seductive dance with scented candles and violins will
ensue in order to impart a liberal dose of New Age Cingular voodoo.  So,
it's either incredulously simple or notoriously complicated, and the
choice we make will largely depend on how much fun we want out of it.
Personally, I'm going with the violins.

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John S. - 23 Feb 2004 22:25 GMT
>There's not much discover here - if your phone is unlocked, you get a
>new Cingulr SIM - if your phone is locked, you take it in to be
>re-locked and get a new Cingular SIM.

You are assuming that you will need a new Cingular SIM.

My guess is that nothing on the SIM side of the house will need to be changed.
After all, when they integrate the systems they will both work.

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Jer - 24 Feb 2004 05:24 GMT
>>There's not much discover here - if your phone is unlocked, you get a
>>new Cingulr SIM - if your phone is locked, you take it in to be
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> John S.
> e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net

You're right John, I am assuming new SIMS would be needed.  But if
Cingular can OTA deliver a fresh IRDB w/PRL, then maybe not.

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DH - 27 Feb 2004 18:57 GMT
My AT&T phone just suddenly started roaming to Cingular in areas where
previously I had only a weak or no AT&T signal at all. Was it disabled
before? Sure seems like a coincidence...

> >There's not much discover here - if your phone is unlocked, you get a
> >new Cingulr SIM - if your phone is locked, you take it in to be
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> John S.
> e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net
Todd Allcock - 19 Feb 2004 06:08 GMT
> This morning's paper tellsme that ATT is being taken over by Cingular, and
> had this cryptic statement
> that eventually,  ATT customers would have to bring their phones in to a
> Cingular to be "adjusted"
> Anyone know what this adjustment is?    We have ATT GSM phones, I am

Probably a software update to lock them on Cingular instead of AT&T!
:)

> guessing maybe they will unlock them for us, so Cingular SIMS can be
> inserted, which would be nice.

Would seem easier (and cheaper) to me to simply update the AT&T SIMS
over-the-air with a new roaming database telling them to roam on
Cingular if AT&T isn't available, then eventually when AT&T is no
longer "available" they'll all be on Cingular.
I suspect data settings will have to be changed, so AT&T customers can
now pay too much for "Wireless Internet Express" instead of pay too
much for mLife...

> Can't imagine what ATT customers on TDMA
> phones will have to do

That one's easy- each phone will need to be reprogrammed for the
Cingular home system ID instead of AT&T's, as well as a new roam
database.  TDMA phones aren't locked like GSM, so it could all be done
from home with a call to customer service.
Joseph - 19 Feb 2004 15:25 GMT
>This morning's paper tellsme that ATT is being taken over by Cingular, and
>had this cryptic statement
>that eventually,  ATT customers would have to bring their phones in to a
>Cingular to be "adjusted"

They don't really know and are just guessing at a possibility.  Since
the ink isn't even dry on the agreement I wouldn't lose any sleep over
the matter.

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Trey - 19 Feb 2004 19:50 GMT
Hey, I can "adjust" my ATT phone real quick! Give me that hammer!  ;-)

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