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Arta - 26 Sep 2004 00:29 GMT I've bought a Motorola V600. Very strange that you still have to pay for the PC software 'Mobile phone tools' where it should be included. So, does anyone have the registration information?
Mobile Phone Software 2.16 Demo November 19 2003 (031119002767)
I need the next field info:
Name ?????????????? First Name ?????????????? Licence number ? ? ? Registration Number ? ? ?
Bob the Printer - 26 Sep 2004 04:25 GMT Hmmm, so you think that software should be free to you since you bought the phone??
What's so strange about paying for software??
Go elsewhere, pirate!
> I've bought a Motorola V600. Very strange that you still have to pay for > the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Licence number ? ? ? > Registration Number ? ? ? MS - 26 Sep 2004 06:23 GMT Well, there is a difference here.
If you buy a piece of computer hardware that requires software, or a digital audio player, etc., the software comes with it, not an extra charge.
Same thing with most cell phones, the software for connecting to the computer comes with it.
So it is unusual that Motorola is charging extra for the software in this case, for an expensive phone at that!
> Hmmm, so you think that software should be free to you since you bought the > phone?? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Licence number ? ? ? > > Registration Number ? ? ? PDA Man - 26 Sep 2004 07:53 GMT Wow, can you believe those Motorola guys. To think that they sell ACCESSORIES NOW. I guess you got a Free Car Kit as well. Cause you need the car kit to "CONNECT TO THE CAR" And why not a FREE BlueTooth Dongle? After all you need that to "CONNECT TO THE COMPUTER" also.
Where people get this logic, I just dont know. By the way, did you bother to ask if the software was included at the time of purchase? Did you know already ?, but choose to buy it anyway?
> Well, there is a difference here. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > Licence number ? ? ? > > > Registration Number ? ? ? Joboy - 26 Sep 2004 16:47 GMT Well, leaving aside the sarcasm from you and others..guess what? The head set and the car kit are often thrown in when you subscribe to the service provider. They seem to make a point of not including the software which makes me suspect the other crap isn't really what people want most.
>Wow, can you believe those Motorola guys. To think that they sell >ACCESSORIES NOW. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >> > > Licence number ? ? ? >> > > Registration Number ? ? ? MS - 29 Sep 2004 00:22 GMT Your analogies are absurd, and have absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote.
When you buy a computer accessory, a piece of hardware, any software drivers that one might need to install in the computer comes with it. I have a couple portable digital audio players, and they all came with software to connect to the computer. There are accessories one can buy extra for these players, but that software is not an extra accessory, it is included.
Since you list yourself as "PDA Man", I assume (although could be completely incorrect) that you own a PDA. Didn't it come with software to connect to the computer? You didn't have to pay extra for that software, did you? I have one, a Pocket PC. It came with the synchronization software, Microsoft ActiveSync, which one can also download for free. There was no extra charge for that.
As this phone has some PDA features--phonebook, calendar, etc., computer connectivity, it only stands to reason that like a PDA, the necessary connection software would come with it. In fact, most such phones do include such software, not charge extra for it. One might especially expect that in one of the more expensive phones around, such as the V600, that the necessary connection software would be included. Of course, Motorola has the choice not to include it, and charge extra for it, but that is unusual for this kind of software, which usually comes included with this type of device.
(Your listing of totally different kinds of accessories, and making childish comments by an imaginary person about why they charge for them, is silly and beside the point.)
> Wow, can you believe those Motorola guys. To think that they sell > ACCESSORIES NOW. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > > > Licence number ? ? ? > > > > Registration Number ? ? ? Bob the Printer - 26 Sep 2004 20:43 GMT The only cellphones that I am aware of that come with software 'for connecting to the computer' are some of the nokias. I haven't seen ANY OTHER phones that come with software. I suppose that a USB cable should be supplied with the phone also?? Not very likely.. As many cellphone users never use a phone-computer connection it is an OPTION!
Your comparison with a digital audio player is not valid, since there is no other way to get MP3 files, etc to such a player, so therefore it's not an option. Plus most of the current MP3 players do not really require additional software when used with a current OS, in order to transfer 'data'.
> Well, there is a difference here. > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> > Licence number ? ? ? >> > Registration Number ? ? ? Wolfgang Schwanke - 27 Sep 2004 00:10 GMT > The only cellphones that I am aware of that come with software 'for > connecting to the computer' are some of the nokias. I haven't seen ANY > OTHER phones that come with software. I suppose that a USB cable > should be supplied with the phone also?? My earlier Motorola T260 came with a serial cable, software and hands free kit.
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Olivier - 29 Sep 2004 08:24 GMT Bob the Printer a couché sur son écran :
> The only cellphones that I am aware of that come with software 'for > connecting to the computer' are some of the nokias. I haven't seen ANY OTHER > phones that come with software. WRONG!!!! Siemens phones also come with FREE software. Motorola should also include MPT since they insisted to support it themselves instead of BVRP (BVRP source confirmed by Motorola). By the way MPT for Motorola is a customized version that BVRP doesn't sell.
> I suppose that a USB cable should be supplied > with the phone also?? Not very likely.. As many cellphone users never use a > phone-computer connection it is an OPTION! Yes it should since it's the only way to download new firmware versions to the phone.
> Your comparison with a digital audio player is not valid, since there is no > other way to get MP3 files, etc to such a player, so therefore it's not an [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>> > Licence number ? ? ? >>> > Registration Number ? ? ?
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Michelle Steiner - 26 Sep 2004 20:57 GMT > Well, there is a difference here. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > So it is unusual that Motorola is charging extra for the software in > this case, for an expensive phone at that! First of all, the cell phone does not require any software for the computer; the cell phone is not required to be connected to the computer.
A digital audio player is required to be connected to a computer because that's the only way to get the digital recordings into the player.
With the cell phone, connecting to the computer is not a requirement.
Besides, I'd rather not pay an increased MSRP for the cell phone (which would be the case if the software were to be "included") because I don't need any additional software; my computer and OS have the software built in from the start. All I needed to buy was a USB cable for the cell phone--and I already had one that I bought for my V60i.
Do you want the USB cable to be free too? Do you want a Bluetooth dongle for the computer to come free with the phone too?
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Wolfgang Schwanke - 26 Sep 2004 16:59 GMT > Hmmm, so you think that software should be free to you since you > bought the phone?? > > What's so strange about paying for software?? Nothing as such, but the thing is that Motorola used to include the software & data cable into the phone package with its earlier models (e.g. the Timeports came with 2 software CDs, data cable, hands free kit). None of that was free, the cost was included in the price of the phone as quoted.
Recently they've started to exclude accessories from the phone package which used to be included with earlier models. Some of the accessories are vital for using certain functions of the phones, the data cable and software being the prime example. Instead they put an advertising leaflet urging you to buy these accessories extra. You're practically forced to buy them if you want to make full use of your phone.
This is a hidden price rise, a clever marketing trick. The actual cost of the phone with all its features is the quoted price of the starter kit + software + data cable (+ hands free kit really). The practice isn't illegal, but of questionable ethics. Yes I know, other companies do the same. That's not an excuse.
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Michelle Steiner - 26 Sep 2004 04:58 GMT > I've bought a Motorola V600. Very strange that you still have to pay > for the PC software 'Mobile phone tools' where it should be included. Not strange at all. It's not needed to operate the phone, just like a headset. Do you want a free headset as well?
> Mobile Phone Software > 2.16 Demo November 19 2003 (031119002767) > > I need the next field info: Name Software Pirate First Name Ima Licence number Prisoner 4711 Registration Number FK ME UP DA A$$
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Peter Connolly - 26 Sep 2004 19:35 GMT > I've bought a Motorola V600. Very strange that you still have to pay > for the PC software 'Mobile phone tools' where it should be included. > So, does anyone have the registration information? Whilst I agree that it is very strange that you have to pay for the software - it's free for all Nokias, for instance - the fact is that you *DO* have to pay for it. I paid, and I have a registration number - perhaps you could also pay, and get one as well?
Pete.
PDA Man - 27 Sep 2004 00:49 GMT I do wonder where the analogy that "NOKIA gives the software" has any bearing on the matter. Some cars have LCD TVs built in as standard. Some have GPS tracking . But becuase one product comes with these features as included, in no way means that every other similar product should come with these options. It is fair trade. If you want the software for free then you buy the NOKIA. But obviously you liked the Motorola v600 better? You made a conscious decision to buy "The Other Brand" based on features and benefits Also comparing the software that came with earlier Timport L and T series isnt really a fair analogy. Those programs were not even close to the features and complexity of Mobile Phone Tools. Also, the industry and technology was completely different then., And as we all know, (at least those that had those phones) the Tru Synch software that came with that phone SUCKED, as is widely claimed, not just my opinion. This is a 3rd Party Program made by BVRP. Someone has to pay them for it. Which means you the consumer, either in the price of the box, or as an accs.
Another thing, I bet if you ;look at the percentages, the amount of Mobile Phone users that know of or actual use, a data cable and connectivity software is less then 10% of usrs. Probably less then 5%. I owned 2 wireless stores and was in the business for over 17 years, I feel savvy enough to makle that claim
But, in closing, I still like Peters answer. While he is not happy about having to pay, he does. Why, becuase thats the way it is. If this country starts runnning on the "I dont agree with the price so I will steal it, We get anarchy. "
> > I've bought a Motorola V600. Very strange that you still have to pay > > for the PC software 'Mobile phone tools' where it should be included. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pete. TH - 27 Sep 2004 01:12 GMT Better yet , go to Compusa, spend 59.99 on the v600 motorola data cable and software suite that they sell, then go flex a few buddies phones at 20 bucks a pop to cover the cost:) All of tmobiles v600`s come flexed with the 850mhz band locked.Everyone I explain that too on tmobile, wants there v600 flexed My cable and software has been paid for this way.
>I do wonder where the analogy that "NOKIA gives the software" has any > bearing on the matter. Some cars have LCD TVs built in as standard. Some [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> >> Pete. Arta - 29 Sep 2004 18:46 GMT Hello everyone,
More or less most people agree that motorola should include the software. A lot of response but no registration information yet.
Anyone???? Please send it to: arta [at] softhome [dot] net
> Mobile Phone Software > 2.16 Demo November 19 2003 (031119002767) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Licence number ? ? ? > Registration Number ? ? ? MS - 30 Sep 2004 18:08 GMT What are you saying?
You have a demo version, and you are asking for someone who paid for it to send you their registration info, so you can get it for free? Fat chance.
I wrote that it is unusual that Motorola charges for it, that usually such software comes with such devices. However, it is their choice whether they charge extra for it or not. There is no "should" in this case.
Someone who paid the money for it themselves, is not likely to send you their registration info, so that you can use it for free with their name and reg key, breaking the law. (And how would they know you are not software police, and they would get arrested for sending you that info?)
Whether or not you think that Motorola "should" provide the software with the phone, the fact is that they don't. If you want it you'll have to pay for it, that simple.
I don't know--but it's possible that if you search with price comparison places, you could find the software at a lower price than buying it from Motorola.
> Hello everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Licence number ? ? ? > > Registration Number ? ? ?
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