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Cellular Phone Forum / Manufacturers / Motorola / August 2005V3 battery life
I got the V3 razr, it's the first Cell Phone I've opted to own, So I'm not for sure what the battery life on these beast are. I let my V3 charge with it's new battery before powering it on. It said Charge complete within 2 hours (even though the manual said let i tcharge for 12-15) I hardly use it much for calling, I probably send 1 or 2 text messages a day, and normally use Phone Tools for that. I find right now, it doesn't hold a charge for more than 48 hours I thought maybe I charged the batter wrong, and should have waited the 12-15 hours, So I bought a new battery at the store and even though it said fully charged in 45 mins, I let it sit plugged in (and turned off) for 17 hours. But it seems the new battery is just like the old one. 48 hours of standby and it's dead. I guess it's kinda normal, but one thing that drives me nuts is how wrong the battery indicator seems to be. I will show 6 bars the first 30-36 hours, then drop to 4 bars, after another 12 hours, the phone is dead. I've only seen it go to 2 bars once. Overall, my usuage of the phone is pretty low, so I'm not sure if that's the standard charge and discharge time regardless, or if the V3 just doesn't have a good battery life because it's so small. I would sure hate to use the phone very much, as it would seem to me, it would die in the first 24 hours Am I all wet, is this normnal battery life for Cell phones ? Thanks Dale What you're experiencing is pretty typical. I use my phone for perhaps 30 min of usage per day and just charge it up every night. I never go below 2 bars that way. I do keep an extra fully charged battery in my briefcase just in case I need it. I rotate the batteries every couple of weeks. For about $10 I bought a battery charging cradle and genuine Motorola battery on ebay. From:Dale Mad_Murdock White inserthandle@comcast.net > I got the V3 razr, it's the first Cell Phone I've opted to own, So > I'm not for sure what the battery life on these beast are. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Dale >What you're experiencing is pretty typical. I use my phone for perhaps >30 min of usage per day and just charge it up every night. I never go >below 2 bars that way. I do keep an extra fully charged battery in my >briefcase just in case I need it. I rotate the batteries every couple of >weeks. For about $10 I bought a battery charging cradle and genuine >Motorola battery on ebay. 48 hours? Isn't it advertised at 290 hours standby time? I realize that product specs are a best-case scenario, but 2 days rather then 12 days seems extreme to me.  SignatureI've given up on sigs. I just couldn't think of anything clever to say. charge it overnight before using it the first time. my gives me a standby time of somewhere 120 to 220 hours depending on how much i use it. >I got the V3 razr, it's the first Cell Phone I've opted to own, So I'm not > for sure what the battery life on these beast are. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Dale Wow, I wonder if I got something wrong. I tried the charge all night technique when I bought the new battery, but I still get the same results on both batteries (48 hours). Is there any other settings I should be looking at that might be affecting battery life ? > charge it overnight before using it the first time. my gives me a standby > time of somewhere 120 to 220 hours depending on how much i use it. Dale Mad_Murdock White Wrote: > I got the V3 razr, it's the first Cell Phone I've opted to own, So I' > not [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > now, it > doesn't hold a charge for more than 48 hours If you use you phone in an area where signal strength is weak it wil consume the battery faster (I leave my e815 on overnight with no signa and its dead the next AM :( )... other issues might be your bluetoot set to "on" and searching for a device that it never finds > If you use you phone in an area where signal strength is weak it will > consume the battery faster (I leave my e815 on overnight with no signal > and its dead the next AM :( )... other issues might be your bluetooth > set to "on" and searching for a device that it never finds? Well, my Cingular signal does bounce all over the place at home, and when I'm out on the road. So maybe that's having an effect as well. I do use bluetooth in terms that my car has it built in, and so when I get it in auto routes everything through the cars speakers and Mic. Is turning Bluetooth off, going to keep that from working, or jsut stop it from searching for signals. I'm guessing it's going to kill that feature all together. But I seldom use the car anyway, so I guess it's no big deal. Thanks for the feedback, gives me something else to look at. Dale Mad_Murdock White Wrote: > I do use bluetooth in terms that my car has it built in, and so when > get [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Thanks for the feedback, gives me something else to look at. I read an article somewhere... if the car's bluetooth connection i left open it can be hijacked by someone in the vicinity allowing the to listen to your conversations and/or speak to you via the speakers.. If you're an international spy, having an affair, or considering gettin psychiatric help for those voices you're hearing? Bond the phone to th car every time you get in! *laugh* This thread http://tinyurl.com/96mgl on CPF deals with shortcuttin your BT on/off screen for easier access and if you have everything cutt on, it kills it also. Cutt of screensavers, bluetooth, key pad tones, put backlight on shortes setting and cut network search speed to slow. I plug mine up everyda when I go to bed, but I talk about 3 hours a night, do some ne searching and send god knows how many sms and mms. I bought a secon battery and a $9 desktop battery only charger. Works well. If yo search or look in the knowledge section over on motomodders.net there is some good info on gettting the most out lithium ion batteries. I it's new, condition it by charging for as much as 24 hours then runnin it dead for about 3 cycles. After that plug it in whenever, liion' don't have any memory I have most everything turned off, except for the backlight\display. Which I do like being on more. I understand that it will eat away at the batteries, if I have the phone open for long, but since mine stays closed most of the time, I'm guessing that it's not too much of a drain. One area I'm in pretty good shape on, is that I have a Wallcharger, a car charger and with Phonetools, I can use my laptop or other PC to charge my phone, so it's never too big of a worry about not getting it juiced up. But I am looking not to have to worry about it as well Last night I set up a slideshow program to let it completely discharge the battery, and then let it charge again for 12 hours (again, it says charge complete after 2hrs). I do plan to do that a few more times over the next couple of days to get the battery conditioned. I may still go ahead and look for a standalone battery charger as well, as you can just never have too much spare juice laying around. Thanks for the feedback Dale > and if you have everything cutt on, it kills it also. Cutt off > screensavers, bluetooth, key pad tones, put backlight on shortest [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > it dead for about 3 cycles. After that plug it in whenever, liion's > don't have any memory. here's a 1700ma battery! lol Several people have ordered them, we are all kinda waiting for report. http://tinyurl.com/cxyy Do you know if they ship the US or if there's a US dealer? From:troyboy30 troyboy30.1tz0by@nospam.cellphoneforums.net > here's a 1700ma battery! lol > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Cell Phone Forums: http://cellphoneforums.net > View this thread: http://cellphoneforums.net/t185619.html >Do you know if they ship the US or if there's a US dealer? If so, once we hear whether or not they're any good, I'd be willing to import a bunch (to save in cross-Atlantic shipping charges) and to distribute them from here. The only catch is that I'm in Canada, so shipping them out will take a bit longer for them to arrive in the US. SignatureYou can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 then just a kind word. There's really no such thing as conditioning a Lithium Ion battery. Your actually conditioning the phone and battery eeproms and processors to communicate from a zero point to a 100% point. But once it enough. What is best to do is run down the battery to zero (where phone wont stay on), keep it in the phone and charge it up until the phone says "charge complete". Phones and batteries actually communicate. Battery has an eeprom in it. And if you don't use the OEM battery, you have no idea what the battery eeprom is set to. And don't run a battery down in one phone and charge it in another. Keep the same phone and battery together. Then the calibration between the two is kept in sync. (Lithium Ion batteries keep nearly a contant voltage no matter what the charge state so this communication is important, voltage measurements are usually inaccurate). Last point, Bluetooth. Will have a 10% effect on battery life. Phone will only try to pair when you put it in that mode and it stops after 60 secs. And the car kit, at least Moto ones, only look for other device when you press the blue button. So if you don't press it, no one else can hijack it etc. SignatureSteve > >>Do you know if they ship the US or if there's a US dealer? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The only catch is that I'm in Canada, so shipping them out will take a > bit longer for them to arrive in the US. Steve Wrote: > There's really no such thing as conditioning a Lithium Ion battery. > Your [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > -- > > You can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 then just a kind word. I don't even charge my batteries in the phone...I use my battery onl desktop charger >There's really no such thing as conditioning a Lithium Ion battery. Yes there is. That is the reason why LiIon capacity increases after the initial few charge-discharge cycles. See this from a LiIon battery engineer: [begin quote] From: Evgenij Barsukov <e-barsoukov2_hate_spam@ti.com> Newsgroups: sci.chem.electrochem.battery Subject: Re: Charging Li-Ion batteries Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:17:07 -0500 Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated GGreen wrote: > Rumor has it that Li-Ions should be 'conditioned' when new. That > would entail charging completely, then running to a very low discharge > point, and cycling through that a couple times. After that initial > breakin cycle, it's OK to charge the battery at any time. > > I've seen that in print several times. Any basis for it? Actually conditioning (formation of semi-insulating layer on the anode particles) is done by battery manufacturers. They are required to make the formation cycle before they ship the cells. Formation is not completely finished in one charge cycle, so in case of some manufacturers who make only one formation cycle, cells will still show increased capacity loss during a comple of additional cycles. Also, most of new high capacity cells have increased useable capacity loss during first 10-20 cycles, and then capacity stabilizes. This has similar reason - still growing insulating layer increases cell impedance which in turn results in less useable capacity at high (say C/2) loads wich are common in notebooks, phones and PDAs. There is no need to deeply discharge the battery for make formation cycle. Insulating layer will be formed in the natural cause of battery usage (mostly during charging stage). Regards, Evgenij [end quote] I ordered 10 pieces of these today and expect to receive them in about a week. I will test one immediately and report the results here. If they're any good I'll have 6 or 7 to sell if anybody wants one and will get more as needed. Assuming US Customs doesn't take a cut, I'll sell them for $19.95 each delivered in the USA or CAN - same as the auction price with delivery. They claim 1700ma but even if it's only 1500ma that's more than twice the capacity of the OEM version. Older OEM batteries are 680ma and newer ones are 710ma (the number is on your battery). Therefore, at least in theory, a 1500 or 1700ma battery should last at least twice as long. Stay tuned! From:DevilsPGD spamsucks@crazyhat.net >> Do you know if they ship the US or if there's a US dealer? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > You can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 then just a kind word. > I ordered 10 pieces of these today and expect to receive them in about >a week. I will test one immediately and report the results here. If [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >last at least twice as long. > Stay tuned! Sign me up for one, I can either do PayPal or money order... SignatureThis signature does not exist. OK, I'll post availability once they get here so keep watching this space. I've put you down on the "dibs" list. You can email me at the address shown by removing the obvious if you want me to contact you directly. From:DevilsPGD spamsucks@crazyhat.net >> I ordered 10 pieces of these today and expect to receive them in >> about a week. I will test one immediately and report the results [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > This signature does not exist. >OK, I'll post availability once they get here so keep watching this >space. I've put you down on the "dibs" list. You can email me at the >address shown by removing the obvious if you want me to contact you >directly. My email is valid, drop me a line once you have some news. SignatureWhy is a person who plays the piano called a pianist, but a person who drives a race car isn't called a racist? Hey Sign me up as well. I always like to be the first on the block to try something new. Even if they are no better, never hurts to have a spare. My e-mail is my handle "mad_murdock" at comcast.net Dale > OK, I'll post availability once they get here so keep watching this > space. I've put you down on the "dibs" list. You can email me at the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > -- > > This signature does not exist. You are #2 on the list. You'll hear from me as soon as they arrive. From:Dale Mad_Murdock White inserthandle@comcast.net > Hey Sign me up as well. I always like to be the first on the block to > try something new. Even if they are no better, never hurts to have a [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>> -- >>> This signature does not exist. Just curious, is the a 1700 or anything close for the V400 phones ? I did a little goggling and I couldn't find anything. Thanks Dale > You are #2 on the list. You'll hear from me as soon as they arrive. > > From:Dale Mad_Murdock White > inserthandle@comcast.net Apparently there is. See http://tinyurl.com/8f9hp. I don't know why, but it seems these batteries are only being sold in Germany on ebay's German site. I ordered the v3 one's from one of the dealers in Germany but I'm sure the batteries are actually made in China or Taiwan. From:Dale Mad_Murdock White inserthandle@comcast.net > Just curious, is the a 1700 or anything close for the V400 phones ? I > did a little goggling and I couldn't find anything. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> From:Dale Mad_Murdock White >> inserthandle@comcast.net Hey, I was just cruising through the newsgroup and I stumbled on this thread. Sign me up for one of those batteries once you get things figured out. I can PayPal you with no problem. Let me know. Thanks. You're on the list. I expect them to arrive in the next 7 days. From:Rolling Rock 33 m.midnightranger@verizon.net > Hey, I was just cruising through the newsgroup and I stumbled on this > thread. Sign me up for one of those batteries once you get things > figured out. I can PayPal you with no problem. Let me know. Thanks. >You're on the list. I expect them to arrive in the next 7 days. Sweet! Anybody know if the desk chargers are any good? eBay seems to have some "Silver" and some "Black" ones, but beyond that, I can't find any review of either product. SignatureI spend a lot of my money on drinks, babes and fast cars. The rest, I just squander. ok sounds too good to be true <g> if you have any left put me down for one thanks Dan >You are #2 on the list. You'll hear from me as soon as they arrive. > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >>>> -- >>>> This signature does not exist. I've got you down for one. From:Dan dpipes1@earthlink.net > ok sounds too good to be true <g> if you have any left put me down for > one thanks [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >>>>> -- >>>>> This signature does not exist. >I've got you down for one. I received mine last week. I gave it a 24 hour charge. I stuck it in my V3 at 1900 hours on the 23 August. The phone turned itself off due to lack of battery charge at 1947 hours on the 27 August. The phone had very light use during the 4 days the battery was isntalled. >>I've got you down for one. > >I received mine last week. I gave it a 24 hour charge. I stuck it in >my V3 at 1900 hours on the 23 August. The phone turned itself off due >to lack of battery charge at 1947 hours on the 27 August. The phone >had very light use during the 4 days the battery was isntalled. What sort of battery life were you seeing with the factory-issued battery? I'm seeing marketing that claims 290 hours of standby time, but I'm having trouble imaging that is possible since I'm seeing less then 48 hours with light phone usage and bluetooth disabled. Either way, as long as the phone lasts a full day with bluetooth enabled and reasonably light usage (I'm averaging an hour a day, plus some email and AIM), I'm happy, but I guess I was hoping for more. SignatureIt's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. >>>I've got you down for one. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >What sort of battery life were you seeing with the factory-issued >battery? I'd not checked that out. I put the factory issue back in the phone on the 27th. I'll see how long it lasts. >Do you know if they ship the US or if there's a US dealer? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> http://tinyurl.com/cxyys Thanks for that. I've just bought one. (I'm in the UK) High capacity battery info/real world tests - see this forum (may need you to register) http://www.motomodders.net/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=8918 did you order the 1700 or the 1900mah The one ordered is 1700mAh. Now they're claiming 1900mAh from what I believe may be the same battery. I have a feeling that there's a numbers war going on and that they are all selling the 1500 mAh. It's impossible to tell without doing a side to side comparison. From:troyboy30 troyboy30.1ugws0@nospam.cellphoneforums.net > did you order the 1700 or the 1900mah? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Cell Phone Forums: http://cellphoneforums.net > View this thread: http://cellphoneforums.net/t185619.html |
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