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Steven maguire - 14 Oct 2003 15:40 GMT
does anyone know if the battery included with the motorola v60i has a
memory characteristic. Should it be let to drain completely before
recharging. tia
John C. Rymer - 15 Oct 2003 19:00 GMT
> does anyone know if the battery included with the motorola v60i has a
> memory characteristic. Should it be let to drain completely before
> recharging. tia

It's Li-ion no no, it will not have a memory effect. Always good to let it
run out sometime though :)

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G G - 15 Oct 2003 23:27 GMT
Ya it can never hurt to let the battery drain completely then charge up
fully, repeat :D

cyberwasp45@yahoo.com (Steven maguire) wrote in article
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> does anyone know if the battery included with the motorola v60i has a
> memory characteristic. Should it be let to drain completely before
> recharging. tia
Steve Knight - 26 Oct 2003 00:08 GMT
>Ya it can never hurt to let the battery drain completely then charge up
>fully, repeat :D

From GE Tech Notes ....

   "Among the many users of batteries in both the industrial and consumer
sectors, the idea of a memory phenomenon in nickel-cadmium batteries has been
widely misused and understood. The term 'memory' has become a catch-all
'buzzword' that is used to describe a raft of application problems, being most
often confused with simple voltage depression.

   "To the well informed, however, 'memory' is a term applied to a specific
phenomenon encountered very infrequently in field applications. Specifically,
the term 'memory' came from an aerospace nickel-cadmium application in which the
cells were repeatedly discharged to 25% of available capacity (plus or minus 1%)
by exacting computer control, then recharged to 100% capacity WITHOUT OVERCHARGE
[emphasis in the original]. This long term, repetitive cycle regime, with no
provisions for overcharge, resulted in a loss of capacity beyond the 25%
discharge point. Hence the birth of a "memory" phenomenon, whereby
nickel-cadmium batteries purportedly lose capacity if repeatedly discharged to a
specific level of capacity.

   "The 'memory' phenomenon observed in this original aerospace application was
eliminated by simply reprogramming the computer to allow for overcharging. [Note
that no mention is made of adding an intentional *discharge* to clear the
problem - RLM] In fact, 'memory' is always a completely reversible condition;
even in those rare cases where 'memory' cannot be avoided, it can easily be
erased. Unfortunately, the idea of memory-related loss of capacity has been with
us since. Realistically, however, ' memory' cannot exist if any one of the
following conditions holds:

      1. Batteries achieve full overcharge.
      2. Discharge is not exactly the same each cycle - plus or minus 2-3%
      3. Discharge is to less than 1.0 volt per cell.

   "Remember, the existence of any ONE of these conditions eliminates the
possibility of 'memory'. GE has not verified true 'memory' in any field
application with the single exception of the satellite application noted above.
Lack of empirical evidence notwithstanding, 'memory' is still blamed regularly
for poor battery performance that is caused by a number of simple, correctable
application problems."

End of quote ... Basically memory (loss of capacity) due to discharge is a myth.

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Thomas M. Goethe - 26 Oct 2003 23:12 GMT
   Further, V60 batteries are Lithium Ion and do not suffer from memory.
They do suffer from being run all the way down if my friend, the electrical
engineer, can be believed.

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> >Ya it can never hurt to let the battery drain completely then charge up
> >fully, repeat :D
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>
> End of quote ... Basically memory (loss of capacity) due to discharge is a myth.
Al Klein - 28 Oct 2003 06:19 GMT
>    Further, V60 batteries are Lithium Ion and do not suffer from memory.
>They do suffer from being run all the way down if my friend, the electrical
>engineer, can be believed.

There's a protection circuit in the battery.  If you run it down (or
let it run down on the shelf) past the cutoff point, there's no way to
charge it without a special piece of equipment that bypasses the
protection circuit.
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Al Klein - 27 Oct 2003 01:29 GMT
>Realistically, however, ' memory' cannot exist if any one of the
>following conditions holds:
>
>       1. Batteries achieve full overcharge.
>       2. Discharge is not exactly the same each cycle - plus or minus 2-3%
>       3. Discharge is to less than 1.0 volt per cell.

4. The battery is Lithium Ion.  (Which is the case with most cell
phones.)
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Robin Henderson - 16 Oct 2003 02:11 GMT
> does anyone know if the battery included with the motorola v60i has a
> memory characteristic. Should it be let to drain completely before
> recharging. tia

If you read the manual it says the first three or four times you charge it
you should let it completely die before recharging.  I did this with mine
and have been very happy with the battery ever since.  The first three
charges I literally ran it until it stopped beeping the low battery warning
and died.

Robin
jerry - 19 Oct 2003 03:47 GMT
> does anyone know if the battery included with the motorola v60i has a
> memory characteristic. Should it be let to drain completely before
> recharging. tia

no it does not
Al Klein - 21 Oct 2003 01:46 GMT
>> does anyone know if the battery included with the motorola v60i has a
>> memory characteristic. Should it be let to drain completely before
>> recharging. tia

>no it does not

But it should be conditioned when new.
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Aekthada Chivakanit - 21 Oct 2003 14:41 GMT
I'm not so sure, Steven. I don't drain mine completely before recharging and
it's still working just fine.

Aek C.
> does anyone know if the battery included with the motorola v60i has a
> memory characteristic. Should it be let to drain completely before
> recharging. tia
 
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