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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Nextel / May 2005I'm Coming to Nextel
Well, I just ported my number over to Nextel from Verizon. Even paying the Verizon ETF of $175. Just orderred the I-830. It looks like if I planned this right, I can save money in the long run because my Verizon Bill is really high at times. Verizon is a good carrier, but most of my family I talk to use either Cingular, whom I hate or Nextel. Can anyone provide feedback on Nextel in the DC area? Thanks Biggest mistake you made. Just kidding. In NYC area, Verizon is much better. > X-No-Archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > family I talk to use either Cingular, whom I hate or Nextel. Can anyone > provide feedback on Nextel in the DC area? Thanks I'm in the DC area, they seem pretty good here. > Biggest mistake you made. Just kidding. In NYC area, Verizon is much > better. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> family I talk to use either Cingular, whom I hate or Nextel. Can >> anyone provide feedback on Nextel in the DC area? Thanks > X-No-Archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > hate or Nextel. Can anyone provide feedback on Nextel in the DC > area? Thanks I think Nextel Sucks all the way around. Wait until you find your phone needs replacement. You will be required to pay full(over inflated price) for a new phone unless you agree to sign on for an additional contract from that point on. (Most will probable say it is in the fine print somewhere). My phone needed replacement a few months until the end of my contract and they said I got not deal just because I am a good customer. Dropouts in the southern NH area many times. Nextel may be good for corps who don't care but for the family better ask before you get more than you know. >You will be required to pay full(over inflated price) for >a new phone unless you agree to sign on for an additional contract from that >point on. (Most will probable say it is in the fine print somewhere). Maybe because it is?  SignatureTo reply, remove TheObvious from my e-mail address. >> You will be required to pay full(over inflated price) for >> a new phone unless you agree to sign on for an additional contract >> from that point on. (Most will probable say it is in the fine print >> somewhere). > > Maybe because it is? Are you SURE it is? Would you care to point out exactly where it is? Maybe is right and maybe it is not in the contract anywhere. Do you think if enough people show that they are unhappy things might change or is that concept something that escapes you? Plans are usally more expensive with Nextel. They usually have a goo network in most areas. I would take them on a 15 day trial before yo port to see that where you go there aren't any weak spots or hole where you need coverage Have you stopped to think how much a cell phone actually costs? Nextel is a provider, not a manufacturer; they purchase the equipment from Motorola, who has them by the short-hairs because they own the Iden platform and no one else (except RIM) can make equipment for that platform. Nextel sells you the replacement phone at their cost unless your sign a contract because they use business sense. Why lose money on a customer who may not be there in 3 - 6 months, the time it takes to recoup the loss they have taken on the phone? > >> You will be required to pay full(over inflated price) for > >> a new phone unless you agree to sign on for an additional contract [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > enough people show that they are unhappy things might change or is that > concept something that escapes you? > Have you stopped to think how much a cell phone actually costs? > Nextel is a provider, not a manufacturer; they purchase the equipment [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > lose money on a customer who may not be there in 3 - 6 months, the > time it takes to recoup the loss they have taken on the phone? Nextel sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince? Maybe some of the fools you hang around with but not to many here I bet. I am already a good customer that forks over well over $150.00 per month and they will do me a big favor and let me buy a new phone for $500.00. Geee I feel real sorry for those nice people at NEXTEL being forced to charge such an outrageous price. >>>> You will be required to pay full(over inflated price) for >>>> a new phone unless you agree to sign on for an additional contract [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> think if enough people show that they are unhappy things might >> change or is that concept something that escapes you? > Nextel sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince? Maybe > some of the fools you hang around with but not to many here I bet. I am > already a good customer that forks over well over $150.00 per month and they > will do me a big favor and let me buy a new phone for $500.00. Geee I feel > real sorry for those nice people at NEXTEL being forced to charge such an > outrageous price. Well, unless you can contradict the facts, Nextel 1st Quarter earnings (as filed with the SEC) show equipment COSTS of $532M and equipment REVENUES (not profits) of $352M. Not a secret number, and in line with every other cellular provider. Now, if you want to accuse them of padding the books, I would caution you by saying that in the current business, political and social environment, numbers like these would have been exposed as frauds long ago by a press and public keen on hanging the cellular companies out to dry. They are a matter of public record- cellular companies pay much more for thephones than they sell them for. You don't have to like it, but unless you can provide proof (not opinion) to the contrary, these are the only facts on the table. SS Wrote: > Well, unless you can contradict the facts, Nextel 1st Quarter earning > (as [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the > only facts on the table. GOOD POS > SS Wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > GOOD POST Want to buy some swamp land? > > SS Wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Want to buy some swamp land? Only if I can pave it over and build a Wal*Mart... >> Nextel sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince? >> Maybe some of the fools you hang around with but not to many here I [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > unless you can provide proof (not opinion) to the contrary, these are > the only facts on the table. Maybe you could provide something to back up what you say. Talk IS cheap no matter how many of the ignorant like your post.Like a link maybe? If Nextel pays more than the $500 they are asking me for then maybe they should make a better deal. I seriously doubt Nextel is losing anything and am well aware how big business cooks figures to say what ever they like. > >> Nextel sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince? > >> Maybe some of the fools you hang around with but not to many here I [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Maybe you could provide something to back up what you say. Talk IS cheap no > matter how many of the ignorant like your post. You're right- talk is cheap, and the only thing you've provided. >Like a link maybe? Nah- if you're such a smart guy, all I'll tell you is that the numbers I quoted are both readily available from the 10-Q filed with the SEC and available on both the SEC and Nextel sites. Actually, all of the major investment newswires will have a link to them as well. >If Nextel > pays more than the $500 they are asking me for then maybe they should make a > better deal. I seriously doubt Nextel is losing anything and am well aware > how big business cooks figures to say what ever they like. As you said, talk is cheap. And opinions are worthless when they aren't backed up by any facts. As I said in my last post, for all of the thousands Usenet business experts to spout this opinion (you just being the latest model), I have yet to see any one of them provide any facts. It appears that you will keep that streak intact. Now, maybe you could enlighten us as to the informational source of your knowledge. IOW, time to put up or shut up. that fact remains, Nextel as well as other companies make their mone off of monthly service not phones. the problem is not with nextel bu the prices motorola is charging them for the phones and we pay for it. Don't get me wrong I think motorola makes the best phones but with n compitition they can charge nextel higher prices which in turn means w pay higher prices > that fact remains, Nextel as well as other companies make their money > off of monthly service not phones. the problem is not with nextel but > the prices motorola is charging them for the phones and we pay for it. > Don't get me wrong I think motorola makes the best phones but with no > compitition they can charge nextel higher prices which in turn means we > pay higher prices. That might be the case with Nextel, but I think the real probelm is that most people don't understand the level of technology they carry on their belt and how much it costs to cram all of that into a package smaller than a deck of cards. Think about this- you can get a fully loaded desktop computer for $400-$500, but to get a fully loaded laptop costs three times that. With cell phones, most people assume that it is too small to cost more than a few dollars to make, and yet minaturized technology costs top dollar to develop, manufacture and market. The lack of competition will ultimately change down the road with the merger, but that only explains Nextel prices. All of the other carriers are feeling the same pain, and they do have multiple vendors vying for business. At the end of the day, it costs them all a lot to make these phones. >> that fact remains, Nextel as well as other companies make their money >> off of monthly service not phones. the problem is not with nextel [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > vying for business. At the end of the day, it costs them all a lot to > make these phones. So then the bottom line is that is competition will MAKE them sell phones cheaper and not the outcry of the consumer. If enough people are unhappy and refuse to buy this will give the same results. Then we would have to feel sorry for Nextel because they will be getting screwed buy Motorola even more. So tell us now. You must be one of those boys that sells Cells at the mall. The wide eyed teenies that believe they are on their way to the top. Now I understand where you are coming from. Good luck. I hope you find plenty of suckers. > So then the bottom line is that is competition will MAKE them sell phones > cheaper and not the outcry of the consumer. If enough people are unhappy and > refuse to buy this will give the same results. The market dictates the price. If we lived in a society that could actually show some financial self-control, that might work. However, all cellular manufacturers are selling plenty of phones. Where is the incentive to cut prices. > Then we would have to feel > sorry for Nextel because they will be getting screwed buy Motorola even > more. Nobody said to feel sorry for anyone- you stated that they artificially inflate prices. I stated facts that prove otherwise. I'm not sure where the comprehension of that broke down. >So tell us now. You must be one of those boys that sells Cells at the > mall. The wide eyed teenies that believe they are on their way to the top. Actually, I've been in the workforce for longer than they have been alive (by quite a few years) and have already worked my way to a position where the topics being discussed here are part of the job, not just an uneducated guess or water cooler chat. > Now I understand where you are coming from. Nah- you don't have a clue of where I'm coming from. And I doubt that you could. Good luck. I hope you find > plenty of suckers. I'll leave that job to you. >>>> Nextel sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince? >>>> Maybe some of the fools you hang around with but not to many here I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > You're right- talk is cheap, and the only thing you've provided. Now you are being asinine. I post the facts as even you know them. What kind of link to I need to provide my dissatisfaction bonehead. >> Like a link maybe? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > all of the major investment newswires will have a link to them as > well. When did I ever try to come off as a smart guy? Another bonehead statement. You are the one that is try to impress everyone. You are suppsed to be the smart guy not me. Not doing so good little boy. >> If Nextel >> pays more than the $500 they are asking me for then maybe they [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > just being the latest model), I have yet to see any one of them > provide any facts. It appears that you will keep that streak intact. I am not the one that has the cheap talk it is you. What facts am I supposed to back up. You don't know the prices of the phones and I have to provide you with a Nextel link? Now you say my opinion is worthless so if you are really such bonehead just let me know what I could possible tell such a smart little boy that you don't already know? You are falling apart here and looking more empty headed the more you post. Let's not go over the top here, I am only complaining about the price of the phones. Do you have a firm grasp of reality here? > Now, maybe you could enlighten us as to the informational source of > your knowledge. IOW, time to put up or shut up. Once again, what do you need to know? I am not the one with the a.s for a mouth. > >>>> Nextel sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince? > >>>> Maybe some of the fools you hang around with but not to many here I [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Now you are being asinine. I post the facts as even you know them. What kind > of link to I need to provide my dissatisfaction bonehead. What facts did you post? All I saw was an opinion that was directly contradicted by the FACTS that I posted. > >> Like a link maybe? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > When did I ever try to come off as a smart guy? Another bonehead statement. > You are the one that is try to impress everyone. I'm not trying to impress anyone. You made an incorrect statement and I corrected it. And from what I'm reading, you seem to be the only one that has a problem with it. >You are suppsed to be the > smart guy not me. Who said that? The bottom line appears to be that you have a problem being contradicted. > Not doing so good little boy. Your fear of being wrong might make that a better title for you. Besides, I would be very willing to bet that you're not too far removed from the mall teenies you refernced in your other post (at least not as far removed as I). > >> If Nextel > >> pays more than the $500 they are asking me for then maybe they [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I am not the one that has the cheap talk it is you. I posted facts- you posted opinion without facts. >What facts am I > supposed to back up. None, but that weasn't the request. I asked you for facts to justify your opinion. I didn't think it was that hard to understand. >You don't know the prices of the phones and I have to > provide you with a Nextel link? Never said that either- please read slower and comprehend the message being conveyed. >Now you say my opinion is worthless so if > you are really such bonehead just let me know what I could possible tell > such a smart little boy that you don't already know? I'm more than willing to look at any documentation available that disproves what I have claimed here- I said that in my original post. Your problem is that you are far from the first person to make the claim that phone prices are artificially inflated by the carriers, and NOBODY has been able to provide more than an opinion to back it up. I post publically available numbers that show just the opposite and you dismiss them without even attempting to understand or research them. That is the move of a bonehead. >You are falling apart > here and looking more empty headed the more you post. And again, you seem to be alone on that position. >Let's not go over the > top here, I am only complaining about the price of the phones. And your initial claim has been proven wrong. >Do you have a > firm grasp of reality here? Apparently I'm the only one that does. > > Now, maybe you could enlighten us as to the informational source of > > your knowledge. IOW, time to put up or shut up. > > Once again, what do you need to know? I am not the one with the a.s for a > mouth. Then why do you come across as having sh.t for brains? >>>>>> Nextel sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to >>>>>> convince? Maybe some of the fools you hang around with but not [quoted text clipped - 121 lines] > > Then why do you come across as having sh.t for brains? Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never said they artificially inflated prices. You are so full of sh.t and know it now you are trying to bail. Typical to the rest of your bull sh.t posts. You are the one that should back up what you have said. I gave an opinion you posted baseless bullshit. Until you back up what you posted before then all you are is lame. Grow up and get a real job little boy. Maybe a paper route might fit your mentality. Over the top a bit little boy. Get a grip. "Fear of being wrong" About what? answer some real questions here or go away. "Put up or shut up" what? What are you babbling about? I ask you to back up what you say and you post "Na look it up yourself" This shows you are a fake and a fool. Boy with a paper a.shole. You never deny that you sell Nextel at the Mall. This type of crap is proof enough for me. What in the world are you talking about when you say I must give a source? Do you need a link to Nextel site to see the prices? You are really falling apart here sonny. You have to be the stupidest poster I have seen on this site in some time. > Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never said they > artificially inflated prices. You are so full of sh.t and know it now you [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > This shows you are a fake and a fool. Boy with a paper a.shole. You never > deny that you sell Nextel at the Mall. Neither did you, although it has been quite a number of years since I worked retail and now have more people reporting under me where I am than the building you work in. >This type of crap is proof enough for > me. What in the world are you talking about when you say I must give a > source? Do you need a link to Nextel site to see the prices? You are really > falling apart here sonny. How quickly you forget. Your original statement was, "Nextel sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince? " (taken from your original post). I pointed out that you were indeed incorrect in this train of thought. I also asked for any information you might have that backed up your statement, because nobody has ever been able to contradict the facts as outlined below. You have continued the streak and decided to resort to lame personal attacks to deflect attention from your own inability to make a valid argument. Your side of the discussion went exactly as it always does: 1. Poster claims that the carriers are selling phones at a profit, basing the post on nothing more than a uneducated hunch. (" Nextel sells at cost? Who do you think you are trying to convince?") 2. Poster dismisses all information contrary to his view, without the benefit of even researching the facts presented. ("Want to buy some swamp land? ") 3. Poster then launches a series of lame personal attacks, which ultimately show the true IQ and social skills of the poster ("I am not the one with the a.s for a mouth.") 4. Poster never able to back up their initial claim with anything of any substance. (still a work in progress for you) Now, to address your personal attacks- I forgot more about cellular on my way home today than you have ever known. This might be due to the fact that I work in the industry (in a non-sales or marketing position) and actually understand how these things work based on working experience, and don't post based on a best guess. And before you accuse me of being a Nextel cheerleader, you might venture over to the alt.cellular.sprintpcs newsgroup, where another rocket scientist is making the same kind of claims about Sprint. You'll notice that I've provided him with exactly the same type of information about Sprint. There's a better than even chance that the billing system your provider uses contains functionality that I recommended, developed and tested (and this would represent one of the smaller accomplishments on my resume). That probably causes issues for you, because it should now be apparent that I am far removed from the picture you have been trying to portray. So, for those of you too young or stupid to do a little research (which would you be, John?), try this link: http://ccbn.10kwizard.com/xml/download.php?repo=tenk&ipage=3453400&format=PDF taken from the Nextel site or maybe this one: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/824169/000095013305002122/0000950133-05-0 02122-index.htm taken from the SEC site or maybe this one: http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/secarticle.asp?&sid=8274&symb=NXTL&sitei d=mktw&guid=%7B6EFDF271%2D8959%2D463E%2DA77F%2DBA6112787FAF%7D&type=1000 3 taken from the CBS Marketwatch site or maybe this one: http://money.cnn.com/news/companies/research/research.html?pg=se&osymb=NXTL&sequ enceid=0&guid={6EFDF271-8959-463E-A77F-BA6112787FAF} taken from the CNN site All of these contain the information you say doesn't exist, and were found in less than three minutes. I could provide more, but I already know that you'll dismiss these because they don't fit your agenda in this thread. And unless you plan on dismissing all of this and lauching back into personal attacks, this should represent the end of this thread. > You have to be the stupidest poster I have seen on this site in some time. Nah- you beat me to that with your second response to me. >> Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never >> said they artificially inflated prices. You are so full of sh.t and [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] >> > Nah- you beat me to that with your second response to me. Why don't you guys give it up. You are both right. Nextel wants almost $500 for the 860 and they may or may not be ripping you off. Either way NEXTEL really DOES SUCK. They are very misleading in their sales practices. All I wanted to do was increase the plan to more hours and they wanted me to renew my contract. I can go on and on but it is not worth it. Nextel fits corporate America better than the average family plain and simple. This is why they use Motorola. has been servicing Police dept. all over the nation and have always been inflated pricing. > >> Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never > >> said they artificially inflated prices. You are so full of sh.t and [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > So, for those of you too young or stupid to do a little research > > (which would you be, John?), try this link: http://ccbn.10kwizard.com/xml/download.php?repo=tenk&ipage=3453400&format=PDF > > taken from the Nextel site > > > > or maybe this one: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/824169/000095013305002122/0000950133-05-0 02122-index.htm > > taken from the SEC site > > > > or maybe this one: http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/secarticle.asp?&sid=8274&symb=NXTL&sitei d=mktw&guid=%7B6EFDF271%2D8959%2D463E%2DA77F%2DBA6112787FAF%7D&type=1000 > > 3 taken from the CBS Marketwatch site > > > > or maybe this one: http://money.cnn.com/news/companies/research/research.html?pg=se&osymb=NXTL&sequ enceid=0&guid={6EFDF271-8959-463E-A77F-BA6112787FAF} > > taken from the CNN site > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > why they use Motorola. has been servicing Police dept. all over the nation > and have always been inflated pricing. So now you're accusing Nextel of being exactly what they have always claimed to be: A business to business provider. Wow! I'm shocked at that revelation. Did you figure that out all by your self or did your mommy and daddy tell you? As far as why Nextel uses Motorola, you really should read the posts before you respond. Motorola developed and owns the iDen technology. Nextel did not seek them out because as you state "have always been inflated pricing" (I thought they taught grammar and composition in elementary school, but they must be saving that for middle school now). >>>> Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never >>>> said they artificially inflated prices. You are so full of sh.t [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] > elementary school, but they must be saving that for middle school > now). I for one don't really give a f.ck about you Nextel trolls. The fact remains that Nextel is the biggest rip-off of all the providers plain and simple. They lie at the at the malls with the sales trolls that eventually turn into bigger liars in the end. If you think I am alone in my opinion you are more ignorant than you are showing now. I have received call from you f.cks trying to con me into more crap with your lies. I can post someone's name and cell number from Nextel that gave me a line about a deal of an i730 that was bogus. They called me to tell me they were GIVING me another 100 minutes for free because I was a 'Nice Guy' to find out that they changed my plan and illuminated other features. If you believe I am making this up then you are again fools. I suppose you think I am here just for the fun of listening to you lying shitheads then knock your selves out. The others reading this will understand that I am here with honest complaints. So go ahead and try to fool the ignorant ones but you will not fool the ones that really know. Good luck with your future as being the low life used car sales men type and smile as you f.ck the little people. > >>>> Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never > >>>> said they artificially inflated prices. You are so full of sh.t [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > >>> So, for those of you too young or stupid to do a little research > >>> (which would you be, John?), try this link: http://ccbn.10kwizard.com/xml/download.php?repo=tenk&ipage=3453400&format=PDF > >>> taken from the Nextel site > >>> > >>> or maybe this one: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/824169/000095013305002122/0000950133-05-0 02122-index.htm > >>> taken from the SEC site > >>> > >>> or maybe this one: http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/secarticle.asp?&sid=8274&symb=NXTL&sitei d=mktw&guid=%7B6EFDF271%2D8959%2D463E%2DA77F%2DBA6112787FAF%7D&type=1000 > >>> 3 taken from the CBS Marketwatch site > >>> > >>> or maybe this one: http://money.cnn.com/news/companies/research/research.html?pg=se&osymb=NXTL&sequ enceid=0&guid={6EFDF271-8959-463E-A77F-BA6112787FAF} > >>> taken from the CNN site > >>> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Good luck with your future as being the low life used car sales men type > and smile as you f.ck the little people. Sorry to disappoint you John, I am not a Nextel sales person, just an informed customer. With an average monthly cost of $70 for a phone, Caveat Emptor is something to keep in mind. If these people have made false claims or bogus offers, sue them. I recommend you have actual facts though, not the terminological inexactitudes you readily spew as fact. >>>>>> Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never >>>>>> said they artificially inflated prices. You are so full of sh.t [quoted text clipped - 145 lines] > actual facts though, not the terminological inexactitudes you readily > spew as fact. Sorry for the case of mistaken identity but there are many Nextel trolls posing as honest people. I started out with that size bill but when I wanted to upgrade my plan they insisted I sign a whole new contract for another year. I wanted to buy more time and more than double my monthly bill but they insisted I MUST do as they demand. Just anther outrageous scheme. If the Nextel trolls can explain any fair logic with this one I am sure many would like to read about it. NO? I am sure they will say I am again making this up. NexTime.....I love that one...I will have to use it and thank the poster that made this analogy. ok, I have read this posting long enough to have a bit of humor. So time to set the record on it. technically Nextel sells at below cost. With a new activation and with a 2 yr upgrade, they typically don't start making money until towards the end of the 1st yr. How do I know you may ask. Well I work for the big N. Yes I get a reduced rate plans on my personal family phones "meaning no more than 2" but take for example "But I have to pay the actual cost of the phone from Motorola. But not only are they taking a hit on the cost on the phone, but another factor is the commission of the sales rep. and in so other formula I have no idea...the cost of marketing to get you to actually go with Nextel. Motorola does offer spiffs, to get them to sell additional phones and that is why you see price drops. Take this info for what it is worth, needless to say believe me or not...it's choice and this is the truth. The trick to solve this is to go on eBay or find a person who no longer has service or a phone they don't want and use that. That's what I have had to do......why I agree I am not paying that much for a phone that does not have that great of signal reception. Just curious what is wrong with your i730, I maybe able to help you get it back up and running. >>>>>>> Look diskwad. All I said was they were charging to much. I never >>>>>>> said they artificially inflated prices. You are so full of sh.t [quoted text clipped - 157 lines] > NexTime.....I love that one...I will have to use it and thank the poster > that made this analogy. > ok, I have read this posting long enough to have a bit of humor. So > time to set the record on it. technically Nextel sells at below cost. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > signal reception. Just curious what is wrong with your i730, I maybe > able to help you get it back up and running. I had troubles with the i730 I first received and learned these were problematic to begin with and needed the fix. I was unable to apply this as my user is out of state and would remain so from that point on. I requested a new phone be shipped and was refused with no option to apply working hardware to my user. A minor child with no knowledge to help herself she was left in the lurch with faulty equipment. I have also heard of other rushed out models that may have had problems. I know some would say this is not the fault of Nextel but one of the phone manufacturer Motorola but I see this as passing the buck onto the end user and a complete lack of responsibility. I have moved on to the i860 with no reduced cost for my trouble and somehow feel Nextel could have been a bit more compassionate. WHAT WAS I THINKING? Jimmy > I had troubles with the i730 I first received and learned these were > problematic to begin with and needed the fix. I was unable to apply this as > my user is out of state and would remain so from that point on. So, you were told that they were aware of the problem and had a solution, but you chose to refuse the assistance? > I requested > a new phone be shipped and was refused with no option to apply working > hardware to my user. You had a very simple option- have the user get the fix. >A minor child with no knowledge to help herself she > was left in the lurch with faulty equipment. Again, a trip to a service center was all that was required for this one. >I have also heard of other > rushed out models that may have had problems. I know some would say this is > not the fault of Nextel but one of the phone manufacturer Motorola but I see > this as passing the buck onto the end user and a complete lack of > responsibility. Lack of responsibility? They publicly acknowledged the problem with the phone and offered a free fix. The lack of responsibility was not taking them up on their solution. >I have moved on to the i860 with no reduced cost for my > trouble and somehow feel Nextel could have been a bit more compassionate. They treated you the same as all other users of the phone- why should you get preferential treatment because you didn't even attempt to get the fix for the phone? Your expectation of compensation for your "trouble" would be a lot easier to understand if you had taken the steps to get the phone fixed and it failed. You didn't need to personally have this done- your "user" could have initiated it. > WHAT WAS I THINKING? That's what I want to know. >> I had troubles with the i730 I first received and learned these were >> problematic to begin with and needed the fix. I was unable to apply [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So, you were told that they were aware of the problem and had a > solution, but you chose to refuse the assistance? No dickhead. They sold defective equipment. I feel it is up to them to take that respocabilty and make things right and not on their terms along. I see a great deal of the problems with Nextel arise from your way of thinking that the end user is somehow the prey. Blood suckers like you have only one place to hide. Not out in the open where you can be exposed for what you are but under a rock or in a garbage heap. >> I requested >> a new phone be shipped and was refused with no option to apply [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > steps to get the phone fixed and it failed. You didn't need to > personally have this done- your "user" could have initiated it. It is not up to the user to take any steps other than getting exactly what they paid for. The phones should have all been recalled and new ones issued. Just because Nextel gets away with the royal fuckover with some does not mean all should quetly go away. >> WHAT WAS I THINKING? > > That's what I want to know. The thought might have been that there was some smidgen of morality left but that would have been the mistake. There used to be a phrase that said "the customer is always right" but you slimy suckers think you can change all that. Any other institution in the county would gladly return defective equipment with a smile no questions asked especially knowing that there was an issue until you f.ckers came along. Now if you actually think that the rest of the public somehow sides with you than once again you are REALLY lame and need to climb back into your sandbox of imaginary toys. Nextel would do best if they employed adults but then that would mean they might actually have to pay someone that might have a clue. Surely an adult would not engage in an argument with a paying custom but kindly listen without the totally childish behavior. You have been exposed for what you are and would serve your cause best if you at least found some common ground to communicate on but again there you are with your dribble. You somehow feel that all the responsibility is in the hands of the unhappy consumer and most likely will never change you ignorant behavior. Why don't you have the balls to post your real name and email address and allow someone to call Nextel and ask them if you or the other Nextel trolls actually represents their policies. Are they aware that you are causing more harm than good? > >> I had troubles with the i730 I first received and learned these were > >> problematic to begin with and needed the fix. I was unable to apply [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No dickhead. They sold defective equipment. I feel it is up to them to take > that respocabilty and make things right and not on their terms along. > So you are saying that they need to operate at a higher standard than the rest of the business world? Doesn't sound like a rational agrument to me. >I see > a great deal of the problems with Nextel arise from your way of thinking > that the end user is somehow the prey. Why would Nextel problems have anything to do with the way I think? >Blood suckers like you have only one > place to hide. Not out in the open where you can be exposed for what you are > but under a rock or in a garbage heap. That's what I like- the mature and rational approach to an argument. Glad you're not acting like a spoiled child or anything. Oh, wait.......you are. > >> I requested > >> a new phone be shipped and was refused with no option to apply [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Just because Nextel gets away with the royal fuckover with some does not > mean all should quetly go away. Let me guess- you work in government. That would explain the attitude. > >> WHAT WAS I THINKING? > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > without the totally childish behavior. You have been exposed for what you > are What am I? We've already established that Nextel employee can be taken off the table. >and would serve your cause What is my cause? >best if you at least found some common ground > to communicate on but again there you are with your dribble. In order to find common ground, both parties need to remain calm and rational. Your need to belittle shows me that you are incapable of finding common ground and your inability to see any opinion other than your own makes it difficult. > You somehow feel that all the responsibility is in the hands of the unhappy > consumer and most likely will never change you ignorant behavior. Why don't > you have the balls to post your real name and email address and allow > someone to call Nextel and ask them if you or the other Nextel trolls > actually represents their policies. Are they aware that you are causing more > harm than good? When the last time you got a new car because a single part was malfunctioning? Didn't you have to take it back to the provider to have it fixed? They provided a free option to repair the phone. You've already shown in this thread that your business knowledge is lightly above a third grade level, so your recommendation to replace the phone pretty much fits your profile. This is not the only phone (or the only carrier) to have a problem and in 95% of those cases, the phone was not replaced, but repaired. You know, you're awful good at trying to throw barbs and looking like an a.s. At no point have I ever claimed any connection with Nextel, and have actually done the opposite. If you have the mental ability to check some of the other cellular groups, you'll notice that I pretty much post on all carriers. It is going to bug the everloving sh.t out of you to figure this one out. What if I said that I don't work FOR any of the carriers? What if I said they come to me with problems that cost a crapload more than you make in a decade? Go ahead, Brainiac- you're so smart, you figure it out. You have a hard on for Nextel, and I'm sure that they can't wait for the day when you leave, because you sound like one of those type of customer that wouldn't be happy even if they paid you to udsse the service. Continue to rant and stomp your feet all you want- every group needs a baby to pacify. One more thing- I'd be more than happy to post my full name. Too bad dipshits like you exist to troll outside of these groups. After all, with a name and email address, its real easy to find, say, a phone number, call it and tell the 10 year old that answers that you know where they live. Or tell the woman that answers the phone that she's a worthless whore. I don't need to make this sh.t up- that's why I'll continue to use my initials. >>>> I had troubles with the i730 I first received and learned these >>>> were problematic to begin with and needed the fix. I was unable to [quoted text clipped - 143 lines] > a worthless whore. I don't need to make this sh.t up- that's why > I'll continue to use my initials. In the first place if you don't work for Nextel then you re a total TROLL and don't have any creditability what-so-ever. I would never compare a cell phone with an car but I would compare it to any other electronic device and you have totally missed the point once again. Surprise surprise. You have finally lost it and gone over the top with that last paragraph full of babble. I let you go now and be sure to take some more of those pink pills and get plenty of rest before you return to that funny farm your were raised on. > In the first place if you don't work for Nextel then you re a total TROLL > and don't have any creditability what-so-ever. Then what would that make you? Totally clueless? I work with the technology and back end systems on a daily basis, while you only know how to turn it on and make a call. Currently, I have the quarterly financials for 13 different telecoms on my desk, both at work and home. You're waiting for the Sunday paper to arrive so that you can get another look at your Superhero, Dilbert. I posted facts, you posted attacks. The only one with a credibility issue is you. > I would never compare a cell phone with an car but I would compare it to > any other electronic device and you have totally missed the point once > again. Surprise surprise. Funny that you failed to respond to the fact that this has happened with other phones and other carriers, with most of the issues being resolved by a fix similar to the one under discussion here. And you wanted to talk about credibility. > You have finally lost it and gone over the top with that last paragraph > full of babble. I let you go now and be sure to take some more of those pink > pills and get plenty of rest before you return to that funny farm your were > raised on. Funny- you seem to be disguising yourself as well. Pot- kettle- black. People have come to believe that the phones free. The true cost/profit is built into your monthly service, or they wouldn't be profitable. It is refreshing to find a carrier who doesn't bait you with the free phone. Although if someone sells you a phone at their "cost," who knows? Only the manufacturer knows the true cost. Just get the best deal for yourself. It is the end price, not the cost. Signaturedr.news Better Price? (not better than you deserve, just more than you are used to) If I can help: dr.news@better-price.biz.nospam or thru this notes forum. > Have you stopped to think how much a cell phone actually costs? Nextel is > a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> enough people show that they are unhappy things might change or is that >> concept something that escapes you? Just remember that all cell companies have problems. Nextel has many But I feel that with the free incoming plan you can save lots of money Your first bill will be high because they charge you one month i advance. So be ready to pay high. Don't forget to get the the insuranc that allows you to walk in and get your phone repaired at no extr charge. It will cost you only 3.00 per month extra. It is called NS coverage. There is also a signal insurance that cost about 5.00 pe month. This covers lost or stolen phones. Average out how many phone calls you make and how many you receive an that way you will know how many mins to get on your plan. The fre incoming 500 is a great on if you know how to use it. get people t call you back so that you can talk as long as you want or need to. The reason that cell phones drop out is that the towers can only hol so many calls. And when you leave on tower and go to another it wil drop you if the tower is full. Unlike other cell companies Nexte towers will talk to each other to see if the nearest one can pick yo up. I have been with nextel for 5 years and have seen them improve over th years. They still have a lot of growing to do but I hope that with th merger between them and Sprint that they will change a few things fo the better. They need to do 7 pm nights. They need to be the first cel complany to allow you to check your voice mail free of charge from you cell. They need roll over mins and nextel to nextel mobile. But that i only my wish. Hope that I was a help on your decision. J D Washington TripleThreat Wrote: > X-No-Archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > provide > feedback on Nextel in the DC area? Thank -- rdmstudio |
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