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Sprint/Nextel Merger

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Name - 11 Sep 2005 05:52 GMT
Anyone know if they're are any plans to add Nextel service on existing
Sprint towers?
Notan - 11 Sep 2005 06:06 GMT
> Anyone know if they're are any plans to add Nextel service on existing
> Sprint towers?

Or vice versa.

Wouldn't *that* be nice... Better coverage for *everyone*!

Notan
Rick F. - 13 Sep 2005 18:49 GMT
>> Anyone know if they're are any plans to add Nextel service on existing
>> Sprint towers?
>
> Or vice versa.
>
> Wouldn't *that* be nice... Better coverage for *everyone*!

can you hear me now?
BrianT - 11 Sep 2005 17:44 GMT
That probably won't happen because it makes way to much sense.

> Anyone know if they're are any plans to add Nextel service on existing
> Sprint towers?
1badss - 11 Sep 2005 21:09 GMT
Name Wrote:
> Anyone know if they're are any plans to add Nextel service on existing
> Sprint towers?
this will begin within the next year, then they plan to start movin
both companies to one common frequency
Notan - 12 Sep 2005 02:05 GMT
> Name Wrote:
> > Anyone know if they're are any plans to add Nextel service on existing
> > Sprint towers?
> this will begin within the next year, then they plan to start moving
> both companies to one common frequency.

And what, pray tell, would that frequency be?

Notan
Anonymous - 12 Sep 2005 02:23 GMT
Sprints PCS frequencies.  Nextel will go bye-bye as we know it within 2 yrs.
Sprint working on 2 way radio feature called Q-talk.  Nextel will exist only
for gov't agencies or corporations who wish to pay *DEARLY* for PTT.
Remember, it's not a merger - Sprint Aquired Nextel.

>> Name Wrote:
>> > Anyone know if they're are any plans to add Nextel service on existing
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>
> Notan
Scott - 12 Sep 2005 03:48 GMT
> Sprints PCS frequencies.  Nextel will go bye-bye as we know it within 2 yrs.
> Sprint working on 2 way radio feature called Q-talk.  Nextel will exist only
> for gov't agencies or corporations who wish to pay *DEARLY* for PTT.
> Remember, it's not a merger - Sprint Aquired Nextel.

Not quite- you don't piss away cellular licenses and force everybody to
existing frequencies- that's how you get capacity issues.

The old Sprint shareholders own something like 50.9% of the new company and
that was done for tax reasons- it is a merger.  Of the executives named to
date, it also appears to be an even split of old Nextel and old Sprint
people running the show- it is a merger.

BTW- both the CEO and Chairman of the Board have both stated that the iDen
network will continue to operate until at least 2010 and that nobody will be
forced to migrate.  Nextel as a brand will be around for a lot longer than
two years.
Name - 12 Sep 2005 05:46 GMT
Sprint (NYSE: FON) and Nextel Communications Inc. (NASDAQ: NXTL) today announced that they have completed their merger transaction, forming Sprint Nextel Corporation. Sprint Nextel common stock will begin trading on the New York Stock Exchange Monday, Aug. 15, 2005, under the symbol "S."

iDEN planned to be operational through at least 2010 and Nextel's popular walkie-talkie services continuing to deliver.

>> Sprints PCS frequencies.  Nextel will go bye-bye as we know it within 2
> yrs.
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> forced to migrate.  Nextel as a brand will be around for a lot longer than
> two years.
1badss - 12 Sep 2005 13:00 GMT
Name Wrote:
> Sprint (NYSE: FON) and Nextel Communications Inc. (NASDAQ: NXTL) toda
> announced that they have completed their merger transaction, formin
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> than
> > two years.

It will be a much higher frequency, not the Sprint PCS frequecy.  I
will be in the 1.8 GHz range or higher, I cannot remember exactly.
Nextel purchased most of the higher spectrum before the merger as
deal with the FCC when they had to move their existing network due t
public saftey interference.  It will run a VOIP direct connect, whic
sprint currently uses for their two way but will be much faster due t
the higher frequency and the phone voice quality will be unmatched b
any other carrier.  Additionally the capacity of the network will b
increase almost 100 times or more compared to what it currently is.  i
will be good for everyone, and the current nextel network will b
operational for at least the next 5 years
Thomas - 12 Sep 2005 19:44 GMT
Sprints PCS frequencies.  Nextel will go bye-bye as we know it within 2 yrs.
Sprint working on 2 way radio feature called Q-talk.  Nextel will exist only
for gov't agencies or corporations who wish to pay *DEARLY* for PTT.
Remember, it's not a merger - Sprint Aquired Nextel.

**COUGH COUGH BULLS**T COUGH COUGH**

Coming from the inside, here what is being discussed. Looking to run voice
and data over the Sprint spectrum and keep iDEN on the Nextel spectrum. "
Why......Well we all know that the 2 biggest downfalls to the iDEN system is
Voice and Data and the 1 big downfall to Lucent is after years trying they
can not find a 2-way dispatch that will work like the iDEN system.........So
you take the best of each system and combine them and you have a perfect
system...Engineering stand point that is"  The powers to be are in talks
with Lucent and Motorola and are trying to figure out how we can get the
equipment to work without any problems together. Rumor has it Motorola
already has a phone that is dual freq. capable ready to go when we are. But
another thing is the when the merger went through there are areas on both
sides that are listed as noncompete....which means they cannot go in there
and setup shop. There is already testing in certain markets of the dual
system setup and testing the new Motorola phone. No I am not in one of the
markets and no they are not letting us know where the test  markets
are....only that they are testing and trying to find and solve bugs.

To those that knows my post in here, knows that I don't B.S, and who I work
for and what position I hold with that company.

> Name Wrote:
>> Sprint (NYSE: FON) and Nextel Communications Inc. (NASDAQ: NXTL) today
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> will be good for everyone, and the current nextel network will be
> operational for at least the next 5 years.
KS4VT@yahoo_nospam.com - 13 Sep 2005 00:48 GMT
Amen....exactly the way it has been written in other documents put out
over the last few months.
It's the only logical way for Sprint/NEXTEL to have a usable system and
keep their
customers happy.  Thanks for an informative post.
Isaiah Beard - 13 Sep 2005 19:11 GMT
>  Rumor has it Motorola
> already has a phone that is dual freq. capable ready to go when we are. But
> another thing is the when the merger went through there are areas on both
> sides that are listed as noncompete....which means they cannot go in there
> and setup shop.

To be more specific, both and Sprint and Nextel share the same dirty
little secret: not all of their network is corporate-owned.  And this is
something neither company really wanted customers to know, but the
merger has pretty much let the cat out of the bag.

When Sprint and Nextel were just getting started, they both decided
(separately, of course) that it would be in their best interests, to
focus on large metropolitan areas and build out corporate-owned networks
there, and then allow "affiliates," or separate wireless holding
companies, to build out second and third-tier locations using their own
financial resources.  Sprint and Nextel would then market their
respective affiliates' areas as part of one big happy wireless family.
In return for the doing all the grunt work, the affiliates would be able
to market themselves under the Sprint brand (or Nextel for Nextel's
affiliates), let Sprint or Nextel handle all of the back-room functions
like billing, distribution and customer service issues, and roll in the
dough whenever a customer "roamed" on the affiliates network.  To the
end user of course, this was all transparent and the word "roam" was
never uttered, but behind the scenes, roaming revenue would changes
hands between the corproate parents and their affiliates.

This worked wonderfully for Nextel throughout its life, which as far as
I know had a decent relationship with Nextel Partners, Inc (the company
that served as Nextel's affiliate and owns all of the gear in rural and
less-than-prime metro locations).  But for Sprint, things weren't so
great.  While it worked out fine at first, Sprint kept trying to pay the
affiliates less and less for every minute that a Sprint user "roamed" on
an affiliate.  The affiliates fought back in their own ways: some bought
smaller affiliates to increase their negotiating clout with Sprint, some
sued Sprint in court, and others declared bankruptcy, putting Sprint at
risk of losing those assets and network coverage unless they ultimately
bailed out the affiliate and purhcased its assets.

Then came the merger, and all hell broke loose.  Both Nextel and Sprint
had clauses in their affiliate agreements that stated that neither
company would "compete" with their respective affiliates.  This was
basically a form of affiliate job security, ensuring that the parent
company wouldn't muscle in on a market and leave an affiliate out in the
cold so long as the agreement was in effect.  The problem is, the merger
means that the "new Sprint" now has a LOT of Sprint-owned network
coverage that overlaps with Nextel Partners, and a LOT of Nextel-owned
network coverage that overlaps with Sprint's many affiliates.  In the
affiliates' eyes, this constitutes a violation of the noncompete clauses
now that both are essentially one company.

So now, shareholders of Nextel Partners are forcing the new
Sprint-Nextel to valuate their shares and buy them out, to the tune of a
billion or so bucks.  Likewise, the many and varied Sprint affiliates
are each doing their own thing: some are pressuring Sprint to buy them
out to the tune of another few billion dollars or so (and at least two
have succeeded), and others are suing in an attempt to undo the merger
outright.

Until these legal issues are resolved, Sprint is limited in where it can
leverage the benefits of the merger, and how it can make the networks
appear unified.

Now in their defense, Sprint and Nextel aren't the only companies to
"exaggerate" their coverage using affiliates and preferred "transparent"
roaming agreements.  Nearly all US carriers do this.  However, Sprint
and Nextel were the only two companies who preferred not to *tell* you
what was going on.  On Verizon, Cingular or T-Mobile, you're often told
when you're on an "extended" network.  But Sprint never told its
customers that places like parts of Texas, Louisiana, Arizona, New
Mexico, Kansas, Oregon and Washington (just to name a few) were actually
networks run by third-party companies who, because their ONLY business
was to pretend to be Sprint or Nextel, often ended up in some very
precarious financial positions (some even coming very close to closing
their doors and turning off their networks).

The other carriers (Verizon, Cingular, et. al.) also preferred a
preferred roaming-style agreement rather than an outright affiliate
arrangement.  This way they can appear to provide "extended" coverage by
contractin with other cell carriers, but don't end up in a legal bind
when Cingular buys a company like AT&T Wireless, or when Verizon chooses
to either buy out a mom & pop or build out a new network on its own.

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Scott - 13 Sep 2005 17:38 GMT
> It will be a much higher frequency, not the Sprint PCS frequecy.  It
> will be in the 1.8 GHz range or higher, I cannot remember exactly.
> Nextel purchased most of the higher spectrum before the merger as a
> deal with the FCC when they had to move their existing network due to
> public saftey interference.

I think you'll find that the spectrum Nextel swapped for the the 800 mHz
spectrum is in basically the same band as a lot of Sprint's.  The new
company is planning on developing their data network at 2.5 gHz (maybe the
higher spectrum you were thinking of) and running it as strictly data at
that frequency.

>It will run a VOIP direct connect, which
> sprint currently uses for their two way but will be much faster due to
> the higher frequency and the phone voice quality will be unmatched by
> any other carrier.  Additionally the capacity of the network will be
> increase almost 100 times or more compared to what it currently is.

Really?  How do they plan to do that?  Nothing even close to that has been
discussed.
1badss - 13 Sep 2005 18:23 GMT
Scott Wrote:

> > It will be a much higher frequency, not the Sprint PCS frequecy.  It
> > will be in the 1.8 GHz range or higher, I cannot remember exactly.
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> been
> discussed.

you are correct, it was 2.5 GHz and both sprint and verizon both use
VOIP as there two-way systems.  sprints is pretty fast but not as fast
as nextel and the verizon version is very slow.

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Scott - 13 Sep 2005 18:36 GMT
> > that frequency.
> >
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> VOIP as there two-way systems.  sprints is pretty fast but not as fast
> as nextel and the verizon version is very slow.

Sorry- I wasn't very clear.  I understand the VoIP stuff- what is this about
voice quality being unmatched and a capacity increase of 100 times?  Voice
will still use the current network and the technology is not expected to
change.  Having followed this merger very closely, nobody from the company
has made either one of these claims.
Isaiah Beard - 13 Sep 2005 18:37 GMT
>>Sprints PCS frequencies.  Nextel will go bye-bye as we know it within 2
>
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> Not quite- you don't piss away cellular licenses and force everybody to
> existing frequencies- that's how you get capacity issues.

Yes, well, there's one little problem with those "cellular" frequencies.
 They're not cellular.  Nextel's licenses are for SMR (Specialized
Mobile Radio) and the FCC has wanted for a long time to move Nextel off
those frequencies because of the inordinate amount of complaints they're
received from law enforcement and public safet agencies, who have noted
that iDEN wreaks some serious havoc on their equipment in terms of
spurious interference.

Sprint has committed to maintaining iDEN until at least 2010.  But much
sooner than that, they will need to migrate the network to another
frequency band.  IIRC, the frequency swap is going to be for a chunk of
spectrum in the 2.6GHz range, if the FCC approves.

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Scott - 13 Sep 2005 18:59 GMT
> >>Sprints PCS frequencies.  Nextel will go bye-bye as we know it within 2
> >
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> frequency band.  IIRC, the frequency swap is going to be for a chunk of
> spectrum in the 2.6GHz range, if the FCC approves.

Old news- the swap is already occurring and has already receivedd FCC
approval- and to 1.9 gHz, not 2.6.  The 2.5 gHz spectrum that both companies
had licenses for is going to be used for their data network.
1badss - 14 Sep 2005 18:37 GMT
Isaiah Beard Wrote:

> >>Sprints PCS frequencies.  Nextel will go bye-bye as we know it withi
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A - 13 Sep 2005 21:29 GMT
WHAT DRUGS ARE YOU ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  YOU ARE SO WRONG
 
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