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Wayne Redick - 11 Oct 2005 11:47 GMT
I have been noticing a drastic degrade in DC service here lately in my area
of upstate NY.I am getting " user unavailable" and delays in establishing
connection with the walkie talkie features.I switched phones between my
730,into a 710 and then into 530.Still happens.Anyone else experiencing
this? Is Sprint /Nextel doing system work on the iDen network to cause this
or has subscriber add ons just overloaded the system capabilities? Cellular
has not been a real problem,calls get through 98% of the time.
Wayne

Albany,NY
snipe523 - 11 Oct 2005 21:49 GMT
Wayne Redick Wrote:
> I have been noticing a drastic degrade in DC service here lately in m
> area
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> Albany,NY

I live in Troy and have had some trouble with this but only maybe onc
or twice a day. It hasn't been enough that it has really bother me s
far
Slim26 - 13 Oct 2005 08:55 GMT
Wayne Redick Wrote:
> I have been noticing a drastic degrade in DC service here lately in my
> area
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>
> Albany,NY

The reason your Dispatch use is sucking is mostly because of where you
live.  The problem with Dispatch is that you can't handover a dispatch
call from one cell to another, well, except in some cases, but its
still in testing.  standing still, you shouldn't have a problem unless
the cell you are in is at capacity.  In New York, as it is here in Los
Angeles, the amount of cells needed to deal with the increase in users
means that you are constantly handing over from one cell to another,
which would be why your DC constantly fails.  Also, remember that when
you are trying to reach someone on DC that is in a phone call, you will
get a "Failed" message.

Out here in LA, dispatch has become almost worthless.  Even when
stationary, your handset is talking to anywhere from 3-7 Foreground
channels, and the handset in a essence, is confused.  

The best thing I can tell you is, were working on it.  The merger has
absolutely nothing to do with it as we are not intermixing CDMA and
iDEN at present.

Hope that helps.

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Wayne Redick - 13 Oct 2005 12:50 GMT
> Wayne Redick Wrote:
>> I have been noticing a drastic degrade in DC service here lately in my
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>
> Hope that helps.

It sounds like you work for Nextel or at least its infrastructure.4 years
ago when I first subbed to nextel I had no problems replying to direct
connections.They went through quickly and smoothly.These days there is a
delay,busy signal or I have to PTT 3-4 times to make connection.And no I am
not PTT happy.Same thing happened to our warehouse folks so much over the
last year that the manager there was thinking of going back to a Two Way
radio repeater system for coverage in warehouse.Instead they chose a
Motorola radio called DTR ( digitial trunked radio) that operates on
frequency hopping 900mhz channels.No FCC license required,looks,sound and
acts like Nextel but no monthly service plans.Limited coverage inside
building and groound but it works and covers our 970,000 sq ft building.We
saved about $650 a month replacing Nextel handsets with these.Managers and
foremen still have Nextel for when they are off property or need cellular or
NW DC.Wish Nextel worked with the DTR radios.
I will hang in there with Nextel until the cows come home but I have
noticed service problems on the DC side.Cellular has been same as it was.And
the Nextmail service feature comes in really handy leaving voicemessages and
memos on our employee email accounts.
Most if not all of my "failure" messages on DC are not when other person is
in a cal but sitting there waiting for my DC reply to them.
I look forward to when Nextel/Sprint approaches us about putting thier site
equipment on our repeater tower sites,because after the shafting they gave
us as a Nextel dealership we are going to require BIG MONEY from nextel.We
have 2 sites that are located in difficult areas where locals do not want
any more towers built.For once we will have Nextel Partners or whoever by
the nads.Counting the days.:)
johndoe - 14 Oct 2005 01:37 GMT
Network was out for about three hours in the Tampa Bay, Florida area today.
Service seems like it's only getting worse.
Slim26 - 14 Oct 2005 03:14 GMT
johndoe Wrote:
> Network was out for about three hours in the Tampa Bay, Florida are
> today.
> Service seems like it's only getting worse.

Most times it isn't the network, but a cell, or group of cells that ar
out.  It could be anything from a T1 issue, to something as simple as a
HVAC unit going out ad the site overheating.  Was there a power outag
in the area?

There is never an outage during the day (5:00 AM to 11:00 PM) that i
on purpose.  The main reasons for outages are external issues tha
Nextel has no control over.  I am not "Sticking up" for Nextel, bu
other carriers have the same problems.  Loss of AC power, external T
issues, and HVAC units going out are the main reasons we have outages.
If you lost your signal over a LARGE area, then there was probably a
external issue and I'm sure Nextel was on top of it trying to get th
issue resolved.

Recently we had a power outage in the Los Angeles area, knocked ou
power to something like a 30 square mile area, and Nextel was on top o
it trying to get everything back online.  The problem is, you hav
anywhere from 50-150 sites in any given 30 square mile area.  It i
quite expensive to have 1 backup generator for every site, and imagin
how long it would take a team of 5-7 techs to roll generator to eac
and every one.  There comes a point when management decides to hold of
and wait for power to be restored.

I'm not saying every case of an outage is external, but most of th
time, it is.  Modules go bad in radios, a radio times out, and you ge
call blocking.  It happens with every carrier.  The benefit of Nextel
iDEN system is that you can lose a large portion of the site and stil
have coverage, although it is reduced significantly.  iDEN works
actually very well.  Yes, there are noise floor issues, but the amoun
of subscribers you can have in one cell is much greater than that o
CDMA.  CDMA can have, fogrive me, its been a while since CDMA school
something like 80 subscribers per cell, all sharing the same frequency
In actuality, you get above 30-40 and that noise is like trying to tal
at a crowded party.  You can only raise your voice so much, and at som
point talking is useless.  TDMA uses individual frequencies for eac
user.  The benefit to that is you have a dedicated frequency and th
external noise isn't as much of a factor.  Of course the reuse is als
an issue, but I have to say that Nextel is doing pretty close to th
best they can with what they've got.

Anyways, sorry for my rambling.  Just don't bash them too much.  I ca
honestly say that they are doing the best they can to keep you happy.
I know for a fact that Engineers and Techs investigate EVERY complain
about service.  Sometimes a complaint brings up an issue that nobod
has noticed, and other times it ends up being that you are inside
steel building wondering why you get no coverage.  If its really tha
bad though, seriously call and complain.  Have detailed information
where and when you tried to place the calls and so on.  It may just b
an issue that can't be fixed.  The only way to know is to complain
Bill Roland - 20 Oct 2005 03:05 GMT
Did any of you report it to NEXTEL?  They have been very responsive when I
have sent in network trouble reports.  Just an idea.

> johndoe Wrote:
>> Network was out for about three hours in the Tampa Bay, Florida area
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> where and when you tried to place the calls and so on.  It may just be
> an issue that can't be fixed.  The only way to know is to complain.
Wayne Redick - 20 Oct 2005 14:22 GMT
I did report the issues to Nextel.Also called it into local Nextel Repairs
shops.We used to have a Nextel Direct shop locally but they closed up
earlier this year.Now all we have left is resellers and repair dealerships
owned locally.New faces and somewhat better attitudes now.:)

> Did any of you report it to NEXTEL?  They have been very responsive when I
> have sent in network trouble reports.  Just an idea.
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>> where and when you tried to place the calls and so on.  It may just be
>> an issue that can't be fixed.  The only way to know is to complain.
gs - 21 Oct 2005 18:37 GMT
I live just south of hanover pa and my service SUCKS! I can't use my phone
in my house.
My wife just changed to Sprint and she gets 2-3 bars, even in the basement!
I just resigned for another 2 years because I use it at work alot. Now I am
regretting every minute of it!
 
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