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Nextel PTT vs PoC

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Kathy - 26 Jan 2004 17:34 GMT
I'd like to understand more about the technical differences between
how Nextel PTT operates and how push to talk over cellular (PoC) will
work.  I have read a lot of older posts that are sort of related to
this, but I'm seeking greater clarity.  Any help appreciated!   Kathy
Steven J Sobol - 27 Jan 2004 02:43 GMT
In alt.cellular.verizon Kathy <kathy1070@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'd like to understand more about the technical differences between
> how Nextel PTT operates and how push to talk over cellular (PoC) will
> work.  I have read a lot of older posts that are sort of related to
> this, but I'm seeking greater clarity.  Any help appreciated!   Kathy

Heh, given the experiences others have had with Verizon Push-To-Talk, I
parsed PoC as "Piece of Crap."

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pm1072 - 27 Jan 2004 15:04 GMT
> In alt.cellular.verizon Kathy <kathy1070@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I'd like to understand more about the technical differences between
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Heh, given the experiences others have had with Verizon Push-To-Talk, I
> parsed PoC as "Piece of Crap."

I would have to agree there.  From a user's standpoint, soon to be 'former'
user, VZW PTT simply SUCKS!!!!!
rdmiller - 27 Jan 2004 17:55 GMT
Sensor Man wrote:
> *
> Nextel is basically a two-way radio with cell service added.  That'
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> the pauses can be between talk and listen.  If you ever used
> voice-over-internet it's the same concept. *

verizon also does not search over the network constantly, only ever
few minutes, where nextel is searching for the closest towe
continuously. basically, when a ptt (by verizon) is initiated it mus
search the network and will "dial-in" as a standard cellular cal
(unlike nextel) and will then get transferred to the other user. ther
are more technical definitions too...i'll look them up because i
explains much better than i do!:

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rdmille
@(none) - 27 Jan 2004 23:34 GMT
> Sensor Man wrote:
>
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> http://cellphoneforums.netView this thread: http://cellphoneforums.net/t106607.html

Very interesting, I wonder how does Sprint's (crap) ptt or Alltel's new
ptt work? are they also POC as I read somewhere months ago ...I believe
it was T-Mobile with one of the Nokia's was going to implement the ptt
but over gprs.
mmdstech - 29 Jan 2004 04:01 GMT
@(none) wrote:
> *rdmiller wrote:
> > Sensor Man wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> ptt
> but over gprs.

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mmdstec
mmdstech - 29 Jan 2004 04:59 GMT
Kathy wrote:
> *I'd like to understand more about the technical differences between
> how Nextel PTT operates and how push to talk over cellular (PoC
> will
> work.  I have read a lot of older posts that are sort of related to
> this, but I'm seeking greater clarity.  Any help appreciated!   Kath
> *

iDEN allocates certain channels at each EBTS for dispatc
calling(half-duplex). These channels are allocated at 6:1. Th
interconnect channels are allocated at 3:1, or with SR10.5 and whe
activated, 6:1.

1. MS initiates a call.
2. calls arrives at the EBTS.
3. ISC discriminates what type of call it is.
4. we will assume it is a dispatch call.frame relay.
5. T-1 facilities to the DACS at the MSO.
6. call routes to the MPS and then to the DAP which includes the HL
and the VLR.
7. If it is a group call the call routes from the MPS to the PD and o
the APD.

The DAP( dispatch application processor) assigns the signaling an
routing paths for dispatch and packet data. CDMA operators have to us
VOIP protocols like Winphoria( which interesting enough is owned b
Motorola

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mmdstec
mmdstech - 29 Jan 2004 22:37 GMT
It doesnt make sense because people just post what they think, not
actually how it works.

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mmdstech
rdmiller - 29 Jan 2004 04:03 GMT
heh! very nice...Nextel.Done. |

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rdmiller
Sensor Man - 27 Jan 2004 12:59 GMT
> I'd like to understand more about the technical differences between
> how Nextel PTT operates and how push to talk over cellular (PoC) will
> work.  I have read a lot of older posts that are sort of related to
> this, but I'm seeking greater clarity.  Any help appreciated!   Kathy

Nextel is basically a two-way radio with cell service added.  That's why
it's PTT is very fast and efficient.

VZW sends it's PTT voice data in packets over the cell network, which is why
there are longer delays in the talking.  The busier the network, the longer
the pauses can be between talk and listen.  If you ever used
voice-over-internet it's the same concept.
Dee - 28 Jan 2004 07:00 GMT
>> I'd like to understand more about the technical differences between
>> how Nextel PTT operates and how push to talk over cellular (PoC) will
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>the pauses can be between talk and listen.  If you ever used
>voice-over-internet it's the same concept.

yep, vzw and sprint use VoIP for ptt. alltel uses kodiak or somethng
like that. and Iden is something about switch routing. (yeah i know,
very informative)
iDENCustom - 29 Jan 2004 01:31 GMT
Check this out:
http://www.idencustom.com/infocenter/viewtopic.php?t=247

> >> I'd like to understand more about the technical differences between
> >> how Nextel PTT operates and how push to talk over cellular (PoC) will
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> like that. and Iden is something about switch routing. (yeah i know,
> very informative)
Myself - 29 Jan 2004 02:23 GMT
the final word in this clip says sprint is just as fast, but that doesnt
make sense. anyone have any comments?

> Check this out:
> http://www.idencustom.com/infocenter/viewtopic.php?t=247
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> > like that. and Iden is something about switch routing. (yeah i know,
> > very informative)
iDENCustom - 29 Jan 2004 16:55 GMT
Why doesnt it make sense?

> the final word in this clip says sprint is just as fast, but that doesnt
> make sense. anyone have any comments?
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> > > like that. and Iden is something about switch routing. (yeah i know,
> > > very informative)
 
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