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NEXTEL Flarion outperforms CDMA 1x EV-DO
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MarkF - 17 Apr 2004 12:34 GMT http://www.rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=17740
Nextel Communications Inc.'s decision earlier this week to expand its wireless broadband network trial in the Raleigh, N.C., market may have proven well founded as network testing conducted by RBC Capital Markets indicated Flarion Technologies' Flash-OFDM based technology is providing data speeds nearly three times faster than CDMA2000 1x EV-DO networks and equal to wireline-based broadband offerings.
paul@wren.cc.kux.edu - 17 Apr 2004 13:39 GMT >http://www.rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=17740 > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >providing data speeds nearly three times faster than CDMA2000 1x EV-DO >networks and equal to wireline-based broadband offerings. If you look at the central part of that link you'll see the text:
"The speeds were triple the 329 kbps average throughput similar testing produced using Verizon Wireless?f EV-DO network/..."
But it uses 4 times the bandwidth. So, it's less spectrally efficient. Spectrum costs $$$.
Since Nextel's rolling out the service on MMDS bands (not cellular), if Nextel doesn't have MMDS spectrum in your market, don't plan on having the Flarion based service. There will be very few markets that ever have it.
George - 17 Apr 2004 14:02 GMT > If you look at the central part of that link you'll see the text: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > having the Flarion based service. There will be very few markets that > ever have it. I didn't see the MMDS part in the article. Did you find that somewhere else? Since one of Nextel's problems is lack of spectrum it would seem they would need to run it in some other band.
paul@wren.cc.kux.edu - 18 Apr 2004 17:47 GMT >> If you look at the central part of that link you'll see the text: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Since one of Nextel's problems is lack of spectrum it would seem they would >need to run it in some other band. http://www.dailywireless.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2031
Look about 1/4 way down the page.
http://www.equitekcapital.com/Investorinfo/Webpagecontent/flarion_articles/flari onrcrwireless111003.htm
Looks like they've shifted to 1.25 MHz of spectrum instead of 5. (They used to offer it in 5 MHz.)
http://www.flarion.com/news/pr_2004/031704.asp
Andrew Shepherd - 21 Apr 2004 20:21 GMT Try as I may, I cannot uncover a definitive answer as to which spectrum Nextel is utilizing for its trial deployment of FLASH-OFDM in the Research Triangle metro. Three possibilities seem to emerge: SMR 800, MMDS, or PCS.
Additionally, the Flarion documentation is somewhat vague as to whether FLASH-OFDM deployment requires 1.25 MHz paired FDD (frequency-division duplex) for a total spectrum outlay of 2.5 MHz or 625 KHz paired FDD for a total of 1.25 MHz. Flarion ambiguously states 1.25 MHz FDD, though I would suspect the former, that 1.25 MHz "green field" spectrum is required for each of the forward & reverse-links.
As its name would suggest - Orthogonal Frequency-Division Multiplexing - it is a frequency-division interface, but the precise tonal spacing required for frequency-orthogonality eliminates as a possibility the interleaved portions of Nextel's SMR 800 MHz spectrum - the same spectrum intertwined w/ public safety channels that Nextel wishes to return to the FCC in exchange for a nationwide 10 MHz PCS license. However, assuming that disregard of the established 25 KHz channelization would be permitted under SMR regulations, the contiguous 5 MHz paired of the SMR 800 A-C licenses or the 3.75 MHz paired of the D-FF licenses - all of which are typically held by Nextel - could be utilized for FLASH-OFDM deployment, albeit at the great expense of iDEN capacity, which makes SMR spectrum utilization unlikely.
http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/data/bandplans/800smrband.pdf
As Craig has astutely pointed out, Nextel has acquired a sizeable holding of MMDS (Multichannel Multipoint Distribution System) spectrum, largely through the bankruptcy purchase of WorldCom's MMDS assets. The MMDS spectrum in the 2.6 GHz band was not originally designed for two-way transmission. It is not paired FDD. But two-way data communication has been approved by the FCC. And the 6 MHz channelization (designed for 6 MHz NTSC analog TV channels) is large enough that FLASH-OFDM FDD operation could possibly be contained w/in a channel or certainly w/in separate channels w/in the MMDS band.
http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/data/bandplans/mdsband.pdf
Finally, others have reported that Nextel is leasing PCS spectrum for the FLASH-OFDM trial in Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill. The PCS A & PCS B licenses in MTA006 are AT&TWS & Cingular, respectively, neither of which would be likely to lease any of their spectrum to competitor Nextel. The same could be said of Sprint PCS, the PCS D licensee in BTA368. That leaves the BTA368 PCS C, PCS E, & PCS F licensees: Urban Comm - North Carolina, ALLTEL, & Comscape Telecommunications of Raleigh-Durham, respectively.
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=9049 http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=9723 http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=10068
ALLTEL as well is certainly a competitor to Nextel, but ALLTEL controls the Cellular B-side license in the Raleigh-Durham CMA, hence its PCS spectrum in that market could be expendable. The more likely contender, though, would be either of the two entrepreneurial companies, about which little information seems to be available.
Andrew -- Andrew Shepherd cinema@ku.edu cinema@sprintpcs.com http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/
yeltrabnhoj@email.com - 21 Apr 2004 22:19 GMT >Try as I may, I cannot uncover a definitive answer as to which >spectrum Nextel is utilizing for its trial deployment of FLASH-OFDM in >the Research Triangle metro. Three possibilities seem to emerge: SMR >800, MMDS, or PCS. PCS.
Regulators Mulling Nextel Spectrum Proposal BY REINHARDT KRAUSE, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY, Monday, March 8, 2004
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"However, Nextel is testing a wireless data network developed by startup Flarion Technologies. The trial, in North Carolina, uses gear that operates at 1.9 GHz."
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WFHSG/message/5540
-- John Bartley K7AAY http://celdata.cjb.net This post quad-ROT-13 encrypted; reading it violates the DMCA. Nobody but a fool goes into a federal counterrorism operation without duct tape - Richard Preston, THE COBRA EVENT.
Andrew Shepherd - 24 Apr 2004 10:48 GMT > PCS. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WFHSG/message/5540 MMDS.
"Nextel's market trial is using Flarion in the MMDS (2.5-2.6GHz) band."
http://www.dailywireless.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2031
So which is it - leased PCS or licensed MMDS? The ambiguity persists...
Andrew -- Andrew Shepherd cinema@ku.edu cinema@sprintpcs.com http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/
marcelrf@bellsouth.net - 09 Jun 2004 22:27 GMT See More info below-
> Try as I may, I cannot uncover a definitive answer as to which > spectrum Nextel is utilizing for its trial deployment of FLASH-OFDM in > the Research Triangle metro. Three possibilities seem to emerge: SMR > 800, MMDS, or PCS. PCS
> Additionally, the Flarion documentation is somewhat vague as to > whether FLASH-OFDM deployment requires 1.25 MHz paired FDD [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "green field" spectrum is required for each of the forward & > reverse-links. I spoke to Ray (Flarion's CEO) at CTIA He said they use 400KHZ carriers with a small "Guard Band" The FLASH-OFDM is a proprietary OFMD unlike Texas Instruments and does not conform to all of the industry standards
> As its name would suggest - Orthogonal Frequency-Division Multiplexing > - it is a frequency-division interface, but the precise tonal spacing > required for frequency-orthogonality eliminates as a possibility the > interleaved portions of Nextel's SMR 800 MHz spectrum - the same > spectrum intertwined w/ public safety channels that Nextel wishes to > return to the FCC in exchange for a nationwide 10 MHz PCS license. Not exactly true Nextel does have some contiguous blocks of spectrum. I asked Ray if they could "Break Out" a 400 Khz carrier for use he said " Yes, but not in its current config"
> However, assuming that disregard of the established 25 KHz > channelization would be permitted under SMR regulations, the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/data/bandplans/800smrband.pdf If you have contiguous blocks of 25Khz channel you can use them. I.E. WiDEN which uses multiple 25 Khz channels.
> As Craig has astutely pointed out, Nextel has acquired a sizeable > holding of MMDS (Multichannel Multipoint Distribution System) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/data/bandplans/mdsband.pdf Yep, Yep, that is Nextel's back up plan to the "SCAM PLAN".
> Finally, others have reported that Nextel is leasing PCS spectrum for > the FLASH-OFDM trial in Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill. The PCS A & PCS B [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=9723 > http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=10068 It's Comscape
Likely? The way Timmy throws around nextel's cash these carriers will lease their 1st Born. Look at Nextel's SEC filing. Do a little math and you will see COMSCAPE is getting big bucks.
> ALLTEL as well is certainly a competitor to Nextel, but ALLTEL > controls the Cellular B-side license in the Raleigh-Durham CMA, hence > its PCS spectrum in that market could be expendable. The more likely > contender, though, would be either of the two entrepreneurial > companies, about which little information seems to be available. There is plenty of info around .
ComScape Telecommunications, Inc./Kiwi PCS is headquartered in West Palm Beach, Florida and is constructing a CDMA2000 1X wireless system in North Carolina with expansion into Ohio, West Virginia and Kentucky. They now offer their Kiwi Free service in Wilmington, North Carolina. ComScape is privately-held and has virtually no debt. They are a facilities-based, fully integrated, telecommunications services company with switching centers in Raleigh, North Carolina and Charleston, West Virginia. In addition, they have a call center in West Palm Beach, Florida.
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MA - 20 Jun 2004 14:22 GMT Special Report.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/052104Madsen/052104madsen.html
Karl Rove's White House " Murder, Inc."
By Wayne Madsen Online Journal Contributing Writer
JUNE , 2004- On September 15, 2001, just four days after the 9-11 attacks, CIA Director George Tenet provided President [sic] Bush with a Top Secret "Worldwide Attack Matrix"-a virtual license to kill targets deemed to be a threat to the United States in some 80 countries around the world. The Tenet plan, which was subsequently approved by Bush, essentially reversed the executive orders of four previous U.S. administrations that expressly prohibited political assassinations.
According to high level European intelligence officials, Bush's counselor, Karl Rove, used the new presidential authority to silence a popular Lebanese Christian politician who was planning to offer irrefutable evidence that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon authorized the massacre of hundreds of Palestinian men, women, and children in the Beirut refugee camps of Sabra and Shatilla in 1982. In addition, Sharon provided the Lebanese forces who carried out the grisly task. At the time of the massacres, Elie Hobeika was intelligence chief of Lebanese Christian forces in Lebanon who were battling Palestinians and other Muslim groups in a bloody civil war. He was also the chief liaison to Israeli Defense Force (IDF) personnel in Lebanon. An official Israeli inquiry into the massacre at the camps, the Kahan Commission, merely found Sharon "indirectly" responsible for the slaughter and fingered Hobeika as the chief instigator.
The Kahan Commission never called on Hobeika to offer testimony in his defense. However, in response to charges brought against Sharon before a special war crimes court in Belgium, Hobeika was urged to testify against Sharon, according to well-informed Lebanese sources. Hobeika was prepared to offer a different version of events than what was contained in the Kahan report. A 1993 Belgian law permitting human rights prosecutions was unusual in that non-Belgians could be tried for violations against other non-Belgians in a Belgian court. Under pressure from the Bush administration, the law was severely amended and the extra territoriality provisions were curtailed.
Hobeika headed the Lebanese forces intelligence agency since the mid- 1970s and he soon developed close ties to the CIA. He was a frequent visitor to the CIA's headquarters at Langley, Virginia. After the Syrian invasion of Lebanon in 1990, Hobeika held a number of cabinet positions in the Lebanese government, a proxy for the Syrian occupation authorities. He also served in the parliament. In July 2001, Hobeika called a press conference and announced he was prepared to testify against Sharon in Belgium and revealed that he had evidence of what actually occurred in Sabra and Shatilla. Hobeika also indicated that Israel had flown members of the South Lebanon Army (SLA) into Beirut International Airport in an Israeli Air Force C130 transport plane. In full view of dozens of witnesses, including members of the Lebanese army and others, SLA troops under the command of Major Saad Haddad were slipped into the camps to commit the massacres. The SLA troops were under the direct command of Ariel Sharon and an Israeli Mossad agent provocateur named Rafi Eitan. Hobeika offered evidence that a former U.S. ambassador to Lebanon was aware of the Israeli plot. In addition, the IDF had placed a camera in a strategic position to film the Sabra and Shatilla massacres. Hobeika was going to ask that the footage be released as part of the investigation of Sharon.
After announcing he was willing to testify against Sharon, Hobeika became fearful for his safety and began moves to leave Lebanon. Hobeika was not aware that his threats to testify against Sharon had triggered a series of fateful events that reached well into the White House and Sharon's office.
On January 24, 2002, Hobeika's car was blown up by a remote controlled bomb placed in a parked Mercedes along a street in the Hazmieh section of Beirut. The bomb exploded when Hobeika and his three associates, Fares Souweidan, Mitri Ajram, and Waleed Zein, were driving their Range Rover past the TNT-laden Mercedes at 9:40 am Beirut time. The Range Rover's four passengers were killed in the explosion. In case Hobeika's car had taken another route through the neighborhood, two additional parked cars, located at two other choke points, were also rigged with TNT. The powerful bomb wounded a number of other people on the street. Other parked cars were destroyed and buildings and homes were damaged. The Lebanese president, prime minister, and interior minister all claimed that Israeli agents were behind the attack.
It is noteworthy that the State Department's list of global terrorist incidents for 2002 worldwide failed to list the car bombing attack on Hobeika and his party. The White House wanted to ensure the attack was censored from the report. The reason was simple: the attack ultimately had Washington's fingerprints on it.
High level European intelligence sources now report that Karl Rove personally coordinated Hobeika's assassination. The hit on Hobeika employed Syrian intelligence agents. Syrian President Bashar Assad was trying to curry favor with the Bush administration in the aftermath of 9-11 and was more than willing to help the White House. In addition, Assad's father, Hafez Assad, had been an ally of Bush's father during Desert Storm, a period that saw Washington give a "wink and a nod" to Syria's occupation of Lebanon. Rove wanted to help Sharon avoid any political embarrassment from an in absentia trial in Brussels where Hobeika would be a star witness. Rove and Sharon agreed on the plan to use Syrian Military Intelligence agents to assassinate Hobeika. Rove saw Sharon as an indispensable ally of Bush in ensuring the loyalty of the Christian evangelical and Jewish voting blocs in the United States. Sharon saw the plan to have the United States coordinate the hit as a way to mask all connections to Jerusalem.
The Syrian hit team was ordered by Assef Shawkat, the number two man in Syrian military intelligence and a good friend and brother in law of Syrian President Bashar Assad. Assad's intelligence services had already cooperated with U.S. intelligence in resorting to unconventional methods to extract information from al Qaeda detainees deported to Syria from the United States and other countries in the wake of 9-11. The order to take out Hobeika was transmitted by Shawkat to Roustom Ghazali, the head of Syrian military intelligence in Beirut. Ghazali arranged for the three remote controlled cars to be parked along Hobeika's route in Hazmieh; only few hundred yards from the Barracks of Syrian Special Forces which are stationed in the area near the Presidential palace , the ministry of Defense and various Government and officers quarters . This particular area is covered 24/7 by a very sophisticated USA multi-agency surveillance system to monitor Syrian and Lebanese security activities and is a " Choice " area to live in for its perceived high security .
The plan to kill Hobeika had all the necessary caveats and built-in denial mechanisms. If the Syrians were discovered beforehand or afterwards, Karl Rove and his associates in the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans would be ensured plausible deniability.
Hobeika's CIA intermediary in Beirut, a man only referred to as "Jason" by Hobeika, was a frequent companion of the Lebanese politician during official and off-duty hours. During Hobeika's election campaigns for his parliamentary seat, Jason was often in Hobeika's office offering support and advice. After Hobeika's assassination, Jason became despondent over the death of his colleague. Eventually, Jason disappeared abruptly from Lebanon and reportedly later emerged in Pakistan.
Karl Rove's involvement in the assassination of Hobeika may not have been the last "hit" he ordered to help out Sharon. In March 2002, a few months after Hobeika's assassination, another Lebanese Christian with knowledge of Sharon's involvement in the Sabra and Shatilla massacres was gunned down along with his wife in Sao Paulo, Brazil. A bullet fired at Michael Nassar's car flattened one of his tires. Nassar pulled into a gasoline station for repairs. A professional assassin, firing a gun with a silencer, shot Nassar and his wife in the head, killing them both instantly. The assailant fled and was never captured. Nassar was also involved with the Phalange militia at Sabra and Shatilla. Nassar was also reportedly willing to testify against Sharon in Belgium and, as a nephew of SLA Commander General Antoine Lahd, may have had important evidence to bolster Hobeika's charge that Sharon ordered SLA forces into the camps to wipe out the Palestinians.
Based on what European intelligence claims is concrete intelligence on Rove's involvement in the assassination of Hobeika, the Bush administration can now add political assassination to its laundry list of other misdeeds, from lying about the reasons to go to war to the torture tactics in violation of the Geneva Conventions that have been employed by the Pentagon and "third country" nationals at prisons in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay.
Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist and columnist. He served in the National Security Agency (NSA) during the Reagan administration and wrote the introduction to Forbidden Truth. He is the co-author, with John Stanton, of "America's Nightmare: The Presidency of George Bush II." His forthcoming book is titled: "Jaded Tasks: Big Oil, Black Ops, and Brass Plates." Madsen can be reached at: WMadsen777@aol.com
marcelrf@bellsouth.net - 12 Jun 2004 12:26 GMT Flarion Is On FIRE~~~~~~
Timmy said publicly a few months ago at one of the Nextel Dog & Pony Shows for Investors that Nextel was "renting" some spectrum for the Flarion deployment in N.C. He would not say "Who" was renting Nextel the spectrum, however a little research tells the whole story............
Nextel Leases Spectrum From -COMSCAPE TELECOM OF RALEIGH-DURHAM For Flarion Network
License-
ULS License- PCS Broadband License - KNLG699 - COMSCAPE TELECOMMUNICATIONS OF RALEIGH-DURHAM LICENSE, INC. BTA368 - Raleigh-Durham, NC Channel Block F Submarket 0 Associated Frequencies
1890.00000-1895.00000 MHZ 1970.00000-1975.00000 MHZ
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=10068
Who is ComScape ???
As of 2003- ComScape Telecommunications, Inc./Kiwi PCS is headquartered in West Palm Beach, Florida and is constructing a CDMA2000 1X wireless system in North Carolina with expansion into Ohio, West Virginia and Kentucky. They now offer their Kiwi Free service in Wilmington, North Carolina. ComScape is privately-held and has virtually no debt. They are a facilities-based, fully integrated, telecommunications services company with switching centers in Raleigh, North Carolina and Charleston, West Virginia. In addition, they have a call center in West Palm Beach, Florida.
Bhogin M. Modi ComScape Telecommunications, Inc. ComScape Telecommunications, Inc. Kiwi PCS Kiwi PCS Telephone: 561-540-4771; E-mail: bhogin.modi@kiwipcs.com 1926 10th Avenue North, Suite 305 West Palm Beach, Florida 33461
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Nextel / Flarion Equipment-
Flarion Base Stations
1971.25 -1973.75 MHZ
1972.55-1976.2 MHZ
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Flarion PC Card
1890.75 -1894.25 MHZ
Flarion Fixed Subscriber Unit (Home PC)
1890.75 -1894.25 MHZ
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/GenericSearchResult.cfm?Reques tTimeout=500
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> Try as I may, I cannot uncover a definitive answer as to which > spectrum Nextel is utilizing for its trial deployment of FLASH-OFDM in [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > cinema@sprintpcs.com > http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/ -- "NEXTEL-1 IT'S NOT JUST NEXTEL" Note The New address Subscribe to Nextel-1: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/NEXTEL-1
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Eddie Haskel - 17 Apr 2004 19:30 GMT Sounds like "Vaporware"....will believe it when it's REALLY available. Nextel's coverage in rural areas and off the "beaten" path has been dismal to say the least. I won't hold my breath waiting for them to impliment THIS feature anytime soon.....Eddie (was a Nextel customer for 18 months)
> http://www.rcrnews.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?newsId=17740 > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > providing data speeds nearly three times faster than CDMA2000 1x EV-DO > networks and equal to wireline-based broadband offerings. dep_blueman - 20 Apr 2004 18:24 GMT The whole point is that they already have made it available and it is the fastest mobile wireless data service to date. The trial in N.C. was recently 'cut short' in that it was working so well they have started accepting paying customers.
Pricing was posted in another thread but it ran from $35/month for slower MB limited plans to $80 for full speed unlimited plans.
Does anyone have a list of markets in which Nextel owns the spectrum to support this service?
-D
> Sounds like "Vaporware"....will believe it when it's REALLY available. > Nextel's coverage in rural areas and off the "beaten" path has been dismal [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > providing data speeds nearly three times faster than CDMA2000 1x EV-DO > > networks and equal to wireline-based broadband offerings.
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