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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Nextel / July 2004Teen Tracking
For Greg and all other parents of teenagers. We have completed our story about teen car tracking. You can find it here http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/teen-tracking.html  SignatureAndreas van Hooijdonk http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com >For Greg and all other parents of teenagers. We have completed our story >about teen car tracking. You can find it here >http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/teen-tracking.html "A teen tracking system is not an invasion of privacy and it is not a trust issue, it is about protecting your teen driver from misjudgments teens too often make when driving." Well, you certainly got this wrong. Tracking your teen IS an invasion of privacy BECAUSE you don't trust them. It's that simple. Anyone who says otherwise is in serious denial. If parents cannot admit what they are doing rather than trying to twist and justify it, there will never be a worthwhile relationship between them and their child. It's no different than a parent who decides to look through a childs room or belongings for drugs or anything else of concern. Should it be done? Absolutely if you, as a parent, think it needs to be done. But stop making excuses or lying about it. Bottom line is that your teen isn't stupid. They can smell your lie as quick as they can come up with their own. Mark, you present it as Big Bad Parents, spying on their kids. But once your child is alone in the car, how will you know how he/she is doing and learning? We still believe that playing back the recorded data Together (parent and child) is a great way to keep in touch and have good talks together. SignatureAndreas > >For Greg and all other parents of teenagers. We have completed our story > >about teen car tracking. You can find it here [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Bottom line is that your teen isn't stupid. They can smell your lie as quick > as they can come up with their own. > Mark, you present it as Big Bad Parents, spying on their kids. But once > your child is alone in the car, how will you know how he/she is doing > and learning? We still believe that playing back the recorded data > Together (parent and child) is a great way to keep in touch and have > good talks together. I think it's a better way to make sure she's not going to a party at some scag gangbangers trailer.... -- >> Mark, you present it as Big Bad Parents, spying on their kids. But once >> your child is alone in the car, how will you know how he/she is doing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I think it's a better way to make sure she's not going to a party at >some scag gangbangers trailer.... This post, and your previous one, have demonstrated that you are a piss poor excuse for a parent and have a LOT to learn. Unfortunately it will be at your kids expense. Perhaps someday we'll read about your kids sharing a cell with the Menendez brothers. > This post, and your previous one, have demonstrated that you are a piss poor > excuse for a parent and have a LOT to learn. Unfortunately it will be at your > kids expense. Perhaps someday we'll read about your kids sharing a cell with > the Menendez brothers. Perhapse one day your kid will be headlines as kidnapped because your posts portray you as a gullible fool. -- >> This post, and your previous one, have demonstrated that you are a piss poor >> excuse for a parent and have a LOT to learn. Unfortunately it will be at your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Perhapse one day your kid will be headlines as kidnapped because your >posts portray you as a gullible fool. Maybe someday your kids will love you. >Mark, you present it as Big Bad Parents, spying on their kids. But once >your child is alone in the car, how will you know how he/she is doing >and learning? We still believe that playing back the recorded data >Together (parent and child) is a great way to keep in touch and have >good talks together. IF and only IF there is a need for it. Communication without the spying would be a much better way for trust to be earned all around. And, BTW, I'm not the one who presented the "big bad parents" scenario. Your article did that quite nicely by itself. > "A teen tracking system is not an invasion of privacy and it is not a trust > issue, it is about protecting your teen driver from misjudgments teens too [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > privacy BECAUSE you don't trust them. It's that simple. Anyone who says > otherwise is in serious denial. And you're a very Liberal member of PETA, right? Excuse me, underage children living in my house have NO privacy. Therefore there is nothing to invade. YOU got it all wrong and anyone who disagrees (in either case) is a parent who may be the one on the news "but may child would DO something like that!" It's not about trust, it's about the safety and well being of a child by knowing where that child is when you want to. Suppose they were in a wreck and can not make a call? > If parents cannot admit what they are doing rather than trying to twist and > justify it, there will never be a worthwhile relationship between them and > their child. Wrong, it is the parents who want to be their childs best friend rather than be a parent who have the problems. Oh I would admit it wholeheartedly, I will check up on him/her whenever I desire. > It's no different than a parent who decides to look through a childs room or > belongings for drugs or anything else of concern. Should it be done? > Absolutely if you, as a parent, think it needs to be done. But stop making > excuses or lying about it. Who makes excuses? Kids WILL make mistakes and there are laws that can take posession of your house if your kid has drugs there. So digging through the sock drawer is okay, but looking to see if they are really at the library is not? Please... > Bottom line is that your teen isn't stupid. They can smell your lie as quick > as they can come up with their own. I still don't get the lie here, If I tell my kid that I can see where you are, do not go where you shouldn't go, how is that a lie? -- >> "A teen tracking system is not an invasion of privacy and it is not >> a trust issue, it is about protecting your teen driver from [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I still don't get the lie here, If I tell my kid that I can see where > you are, do not go where you shouldn't go, how is that a lie?3 When Mark gets out of his teens and becomes a parent he will look at things differently. Schools teach children to watch their parents for drug use and other improprieties so it has to work both ways for a better society. John >>I still don't get the lie here, If I tell my kid that I can see where >>you are, do not go where you shouldn't go, how is that a lie?3 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > John I hadn't thought about that. He make accusations and dodges the question and seems far too gullible to be an adult, but then adults lose money everyday to chineese crooks making fake Paypal and Citibank pages. -- This will help you from being fooled by fake Paypal and Citibank pages. http://www.realtimecredentials.com/spoofstick/ Signaturepeter_may_day http://groups.yahoo.com/group/who-called-me/ Directory of unlisted phone numbers -- > I hadn't thought about that. He make accusations and dodges the > question and seems far too gullible to be an adult, but then adults > lose money everyday to chineese crooks making fake Paypal and > Citibank pages. > > -- > This will help you from being fooled by fake Paypal and Citibank pages. > http://www.realtimecredentials.com/spoofstick/ I've never been fooled. Not only that I refuse to use garbageware and that little addon only works on IE, Which I guess if you think about it, it probably doesn'thave much use on Mozilla or Opera. -- What does this discussion have to do with Nextel??? When i was young I had a 10pm curfew till I was 16 then it was midnight till I was 18. My parents asked me who I was going out with, their parents names and their phone #. If I spent the night I called home before the curfew and my parents spoke to theres. Cellphones were way too expensive when I was 16, I had a pager that I paid for and I had to call home asap when I was paged. My parents bought my a phone card so I'd never have a problem calling home. My parents had money they just refused to spoil me I guess. >What does this discussion have to do with Nextel??? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >My parents bought my a phone card so I'd never have a problem calling home. >My parents had money they just refused to spoil me I guess. Of course. This is how it still is for normal parents. For the untrusting type - and the type who cannot effectively communicate with their children, they install spy hardware on the vehicle to track them. There is now way any kid will view it as anything other than spying. Great for the relationship. But, there are some who just put their foot down and know their way is best because "they're the parent". *sigh* > What does this discussion have to do with Nextel??? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > My parents bought my a phone card so I'd never have a problem calling home. > My parents had money they just refused to spoil me I guess. The OP asked about GPS tracking and some numbnut went off on him saying he was violating the childs privacy and the Geneva convention by doing that and that he was a horrible parent and person for even doing so. It has to do with Nextel because apparently the OP has a Nextel and wanted to know about GPS tracking, but it seems he should have not mentioned *why* he wanted to know. -- >>> I still don't get the lie here, If I tell my kid that I can see >>> where you are, do not go where you shouldn't go, how is that a lie?3 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > lose money everyday to chineese crooks making fake Paypal and > Citibank pages. I still say the BEST way to track a youngster is to supply their allowance through an ATM card. I know exactly where my 15 year old girl spends her money and with the help of the bank I have tracked her every move without her really knowing or caring. If I supply her with the finances I have even more control of her while she is more than willing to go along with the deal of owning a cell and ATM card. Makes her feel like she is being treated like an adult. John > I still say the BEST way to track a youngster is to supply their allowance >through an ATM card. I know exactly where my 15 year old girl spends her [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >of owning a cell and ATM card. Makes her feel like she is being treated like >an adult. Yup. Knowing she left the house at 6pm, her first stop was 6:15pm at the ATM machine down the street and she didn't return until 2am sure tells you where she was. SignatureI guess we'll be going down together, I mean getting off together, I mean ... That's Ok, I'll just press the button for the stimulator. Elevator! -- Homer Simpson >> I still say the BEST way to track a youngster is to supply their >> allowance through an ATM card. I know exactly where my 15 year old [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the ATM machine down the street and she didn't return until 2am sure > tells you where she was. I suppose you would installing a tracking chip on her a.s then. She leaves her cell anywhere she wants and then you know exactly where her cell is so I guess that tells you everything you want to know too dipshit? >>> I still say the BEST way to track a youngster is to supply their >>> allowance through an ATM card. I know exactly where my 15 year old [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >her cell anywhere she wants and then you know exactly where her cell is so I >guess that tells you everything you want to know too dipshit? I'm not quite sure why you're angry, other then perhaps the realization that your genius plan is so poorly thought out even a housecat could find a way around it. *shrugs* Since you asked, no we aren't planning on tracking chips, or tracking their cell phones, or ATM cards, although shock collars would be good (not for tracking, just as encouragement to do the dishes and to be home on time) We talk to our two girls about where they're going and what they're doing. I don't plan to forbid them from doing something (since they'll just lie and do whatever they want anyway), but rather, make sure that they understand the risks and that whatever they decide to do, they do it safely. They're only 12 years old right now -- Not quite old enough to be getting into anything serious, although one of them gets into fights at school occasionally -- but we're at the point where we can talk about almost anything. Topics of discussion so far have covered drugs, STDs, birth control, oral sex, and rape in the context of what can happen if you get passed-out-drunk at a party. SignatureFailure is not an option. It's bundled with your software. >>>> I still say the BEST way to track a youngster is to supply their >>>> allowance through an ATM card. I know exactly where my 15 year old [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > realization that your genius plan is so poorly thought out even a > housecat could find a way around it. I am not angry. Just my opinion of one who responds in the manner you do. You have no idea of any overall plan and to post a rude remark with such an airheaded reply you get it back. Simple concept hey? > *shrugs* > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > drugs, STDs, birth control, oral sex, and rape in the context of what > can happen if you get passed-out-drunk at a party. Too bad you are bringing up children that you feel would lie and can not be trusted. My plan is to gain their trust with responsibility. This works as I have done the quality control inspection to assure this procedure. The ATM card AND the cell work together to give a satisfactory indication that all is well long term. I am not planning on tracking my children on a moment to moment basis but if I need to in case of a lost child I am sure the plan is effective. To assume my children would take money from ATM and not report home until 2:00AM as you suggested is only an indication of how you are handling your affairs along with the comments of this recent post. Good luck to you as I fell you will need it. > When Mark gets out of his teens and becomes a parent he will look at things >differently. I see you enjoy the standard usenet response when you haven't a valid argument. When my grandchildren start getting in to their teens, I'll feel no differently about them than I did with my kids. Buy in to the hype all you want. Patenting skills is more important. Try learning some. > And you're a very Liberal member of PETA, right? Excuse me, >underage children living in my house have NO privacy. Therefore there [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the safety and well being of a child by knowing where that child is >when you want to. Okay, I'll bite. Suppose your child doesn't come home and isn't answering their phone. What are you going to do about it? Assuming you track them down via the GPS, or call the police or something, do you think your teen will leave the phone on next time? >Suppose they were in a wreck and can not make a call? Suppose they were. Unless you know they had an accident how does the GPS help anybody? SignatureFailure is not an option. It's bundled with your software. > Okay, I'll bite. Suppose your child doesn't come home and isn't > answering their phone. What are you going to do about it? He/she will not be going out again. For quite sometime. There are rules. You NEVER turn your phone off and you do NOT lay it down. If you do, it is the same as going someplace you don't belong. > Assuming you track them down via the GPS, or call the police or > something, do you think your teen will leave the phone on next time? See above... >>Suppose they were in a wreck and can not make a call? My point about a wreck was that if they go missing and you can track down the fone you will find them. > Suppose they were. Unless you know they had an accident how does the > GPS help anybody? The whole point is it's better than nothing and by wanting to know where your kid is located is not an invasion. -- |
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