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Sprint in middle TN: F&CA question

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Steve1807 - 22 Nov 2003 13:42 GMT
I'm currently a Verizon user and have great coverage in the Middle TN area.  

I work at Vanderbilt who has picked Sprint as their preferred carrier.  They've
added antennas throughout the university, making it possible to get service in
every building...a big advantage.  However, I still hear stories about poor
Sprint coverage in some areas where I know that VZ has coverage, so I've
reluctant to change.

What I don't understand is how, with F&CA people shouldn't be able to get
service on a Spring phone even if there's no Sprint tower.  I thought FC&A
assured roaming coverage.  Does this have to do with PRLs?  The frequency of
the phones?

Thanks, please email.

Steve
DSL GURU - 22 Nov 2003 14:05 GMT
Sure sounds like SprintPCS would be avantageous for you there at Vanderbilt.
F*CA does not guarantee service everywhere. It does provide to use other
carriers in many places where SprintPCS has no coverage through "roaming". You
do not get to chose what comnpany you roam with, that is controlled by the PRL
in your phone. PRL=Preferred Roaming List.  You may get a general idea of
coverage by checking the Verizon and the Sprint coverage maps, however neither
is detailed enough to show the "Swiss Cheese" type holes in coverage that all
carriers have. If you know of a specific area you will be visiting/working in
the future, you will need to do some reserach as to who has what coverage
there. Most carriers will deny a lack of coverage, and once you're under
contract most will not accept "I've moved or I'm working here for the summer"
as an excuse to get out of the contract because of lack of coverage, although
many have gone to state regulatory agencies and gotten out under those
conditions.

Moral : caveat Emptor - do your due diligence and research, ask freinds,
neighbors, relatives. Never ask a carrier's sales perosn about coverage, the
have too much incentive to exagerate.

Also wait till next week. With the coming of number portability expect a price
war.
Bob Smith - 22 Nov 2003 14:25 GMT
> I'm currently a Verizon user and have great coverage in the Middle TN area.
>
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> assured roaming coverage.  Does this have to do with PRLs?  The frequency of
> the phones?

Even without having the F&CA option, SPCS should get service via their
roaming options. What the F&CA option does for $5 a month, is to allow you
use up to 50% of your minutes off of SPCS's system.

As to the PRL, it just tells the phone which cellular provider to use while
off of SPCS's system. It will roam on the same freqs as the ones used by
Verizon, 800 Analog & Digital, and 1900 Digital.

When looking at SPCS's phones, you should look at those that are Dual Band /
Tri-mode capable.

Bob
Jerome Zelinske - 22 Nov 2003 14:32 GMT
     As to coverage, first step check out the map for TN on Sprint PCS'
web site, then check with friends to see if their phones work where you
are concerned.
     As to roaming, it does have to do with the prl, the frequency and
the mode.  Single band phones will only roam on other PCS carriers and
all PCS is digital.  Sprint PCS now has a digital only phone that will
roam cellular, but no analog.  So if any of the areas that you will want
to use the phone have only analog, don't get any of those.  However,
analog only areas are few and getting fewer.  In a couple of years if a
carrier has not added digital, they will have to go out of business as
the FCC will pull all analog licenses.

> I'm currently a Verizon user and have great coverage in the Middle TN area.  
>
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>
> Steve
Isaiah Beard - 25 Nov 2003 16:48 GMT
> In a couple of years if a
> carrier has not added digital, they will have to go out of business as
> the FCC will pull all analog licenses.

Not correct.  The mandate is that in late 2007/early 2008, the FCC will
not REQUIRE carriers who started out with AMPS to continue to provide
analog service.  If a carrier decides beyond that date that still would
like to still use analog equipment, they can.  The FCC is not forcing
anyone to stop using AMPS; it will just no longer REQUIRE it.

Check out the official FCC press release:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-225216A1.pdf

The important quote: "the analog standard will not be required, but may
still be provided."

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Jerome Zelinske - 25 Nov 2003 17:53 GMT
     Sorry, I got confused with TV.

>> In a couple of years if a carrier has not added digital, they will
>> have to go out of business as the FCC will pull all analog licenses.
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> The important quote: "the analog standard will not be required, but may
> still be provided."
Isaiah Beard - 26 Nov 2003 04:48 GMT
>      Sorry, I got confused with TV.

Hehe, don't get me started ont eh fiasco that is digital TV. :)

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Big Poppa - 23 Nov 2003 23:56 GMT
Dude, I live in Nashville and Sprint PCS service has been great to me!! And
so has Verizon too. The only time I have seen Sprint PCS not get any service
in Nashville is if you went way out in the middle of freakin nowere.

> I'm currently a Verizon user and have great coverage in the Middle TN area.
>
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>
> Steve
Isaiah Beard - 25 Nov 2003 16:53 GMT
> What I don't understand is how, with F&CA people shouldn't be able to get
> service on a Spring phone even if there's no Sprint tower.

How do you mean?  As long as a person has a dual band or tri-mode phone,
they can roam on any analog or CDMA digital carrier in the area (usually
Verizon or any mom and pop rural cellular company).

>  I thought FC&A
> assured roaming coverage.  Does this have to do with PRLs?  The frequency of
> the phones?

Partially both.  The PRL is the list of carriers that the phone will
search for first when it is roaming.  The preferred carriers on the PRL
are the ones Sprint has the most favorable roaming agreements with.  So,
assuring you have the latest PRL will probably make it easier for your
phone to find the right roaming carrier for where you area.

Also, the phone usually needs to be dual band or tri-mode to roam.  If
it's single-band, then you can only roam on other PCS CDMA carriers
(some Verizon markets have this).

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Steve - 27 Nov 2003 16:02 GMT
>> What I don't understand is how, with F&CA people shouldn't be able to get
>> service on a Spring phone even if there's no Sprint tower.
>
>How do you mean?  As long as a person has a dual band or tri-mode phone,
>they can roam on any analog or CDMA digital carrier in the area (usually
>Verizon or any mom and pop rural cellular company).

If that's true, then how is it possible that I can get service in an
area (Radnor lake for those who know Nashville), with my VZ phone, but
my friends with Sprint can't?
Thanks,
please email (remove nospam from address)

steve1807@nospamaol.com
Bob Smith - 27 Nov 2003 18:46 GMT
> >> What I don't understand is how, with F&CA people shouldn't be able to get
> >> service on a Spring phone even if there's no Sprint tower.
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>
> steve1807@nospamaol.com

What SPCS phone does your friend have? It might only be a 1900 MHZ capable
phone, where you are accessing 800 analog with your Verizon phone.

If your friend had a dual mode/tri-band phone, there should be no reason why
he/she shouldn't have the ability to make or receive calls.

Bob
Isaiah Beard - 29 Nov 2003 19:04 GMT
>>How do you mean?  As long as a person has a dual band or tri-mode phone,
>>they can roam on any analog or CDMA digital carrier in the area (usually
>>Verizon or any mom and pop rural cellular company).

> If that's true, then how is it possible that I can get service in an
> area (Radnor lake for those who know Nashville), with my VZ phone, but
> my friends with Sprint can't?

Well, first off, what phone model do your friends have?  If you have a
1900mHZ only phone, then the phone is incapable of analog roaming, or
even 800mHz CDMA roaming.  You will not really be able roam in most
rural parts.

If they have a dual-band phone, they should make sure it's not a simple
problem, like having their phone set on "Sprint PCS Only."  If that
setting is checked on their phone's roaming menu, then the phone will
NEVER roam, even if there's no Sprint signal to be found and there's a
nice, clear roaming signal that the phone can "hear."

Lastly, they might need to do a PRL update on their phone.  Since this
IS roaming we're talking about, the PRL will have a list of roaming
carriers to look for.  If the PRL on their phone is outdated, then it's
possible the phone might be stubbornly looking for something else and
not finding it.

See: http://home.san.rr.com/denbeste/prl.html for more info.

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