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I called sprint - about using the vga 1000 as a modem...good response
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magicianstalk - 22 Nov 2003 17:25 GMT Hello...
Ok, i am getting a new vga 1000 next week -- and was curious about using the phone as a gateway for my laptop to get on the internet. I read some stuff on here, but there were mixed responses -- so i called a sprint store myself. I asked "If i have the cable and software, can i use the vga 1000 to connect my laptop to the internet". He said "Yes, that's what it's for". I said the reason that i asked was because i heard that seom sprint reps frowned upon that. He said "well, it is, just don't abuse it or they will shut your phone off and you will have to call cust. serv., and talk to them to get it back on" He said that checking your email and things like that were just fine. Also, he said there were no charges whatsover to use the phone to get your laptop connected to the internet.
Pretty cool, eh? Of course, this is with the unlimited vision package. One more question for you guys -- this connction to my laptop doesn't use the minutes, right? I can't remember if he said that -- i would assume it doesnt use your minutes.
Also, what is considered "abuse" anyone have any experience with this? How much have some of you used over your phone/laptop connection -- downloading files, demos, etc? Your feedback is appreciated -- anyone had their phone shut off because of this?
I hear that the phone will connect your laptop at 200k+ in some cases -- which is nice.
Ok, i hope this helps,
Thanks,
Chris
Donna Becker - 22 Nov 2003 21:33 GMT <I hear that the phone will connect your laptop at 200k+ in some cases -- which is nice.> I have used Vision with my laptop while RVing over the last year - surfing and emailing - no problem. You don't use minutes if you dial #777 to connect. I have never gotten that kind of speed. I was also told by various Sprint reps I could do this (regardless of what the TOS says). DonnaB
Chris Taylor Jr - 23 Nov 2003 00:37 GMT If you use it as a Spur of the moment I need to do some net access then you are fine.
if you use it AS AN ISP and try downloading lots of stuff for long times or to download mp3's etc.. that is abusing it. not what its designed for. (their is limited bandwitdh) for example in Murtle Beach Many times I would get network busy. IE the bandwidth was full.
wait a while then log in. I do not use pingers so it does not use bandwidth when its not busy (vision arrows go dim) your still "their" but not using anythign till you click something.
most of my "heavy" usage is very rare but very compressed IE all during one time each year. but I do this after hours (think nights and weekends) so I try to be on off peak when I do my really heavy traffic. I even connect at work sometimes now for general browsing but I wait till after 2300 or so to do it so I do not suck up peak time traffic. so far they are fine with this IE no complaining.
I have been doing this for nearly the entire time I have been with sprint (2 years) it got much better once I got a 6400 (3g connection) verse the 6200 which got me 1kb/s at best :-)
I do not measure speed like that. I measure in more practical terms. how many k can I download per second. The max speed I have gotten is spurts of 12k/s it varies depending on where I am from 1k/s to 12k/s but I average 10k/s in most places
When I was in Kentuky for naram this past year it was interesting. at the hotel room I thankfully got 10k/s but at the FIELD I only managed 1-5k/s averaging around 1.5 to 2k/s
I am guessing it varies from network to network and based on your distance etc.. from the tower.
Chris Taylor http://www.nerys.com/
> Also, what is considered "abuse" anyone have any experience with this? > How much have some of you used over your phone/laptop connection -- > downloading files, demos, etc? Your feedback is appreciated -- anyone > had their phone shut off because of this? Donkey Agony - 23 Nov 2003 01:32 GMT > I hear that the phone will connect your laptop at 200k+ in some cases > -- which is nice. Boy, there sure is a lot of weird new information in this newsgroup. I'd love to know what's real and what's not.
First, some people are talking about speeds in excess of 200kbps (one person mentioned 230kbps). That's funny -- I had always been told that the current CDMA 1xRTT network would *peak* at 144kbps under the absolute best of conditions, and that's in short bursts and only if you had a dedicated card. Now folks are claiming that certain *phones* will work almost 100kbps faster than even that. I know my 4900 averages about a *fourth* of this touted 230kbps, so I'd love to know about these new super phones and how the network suddenly got a whole bunch faster.
Then in another thread, someone claims that all NEW Vision phones from now on will be limited to 14.4kbps, and that you have to get a card (and pay the corresponding bucks) if you want the higher speeds. Is *this* true? Is, for example, the RL2500 only able to connect a laptop to the net at 14.4kbps?
Could somebody from Sprint PCS please enlighten us as to what the truth of both claims are?
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Drew - 23 Nov 2003 20:52 GMT > Then in another thread, someone claims that all NEW Vision phones from > now on will be limited to 14.4kbps, and that you have to get a card (and > pay the corresponding bucks) if you want the higher speeds. Is *this* > true? Is, for example, the RL2500 only able to connect a laptop to the > net at 14.4kbps? I think it was the thread I started... and what I'm gathering from all the recent discussion is that the Rep I spoke to was trained to discourage tethered usage and therefore erroneously stated that all new phones were no longer capable of trafficking higher speeds to the laptop--simply not true based on firsthand accounts of users here.
Drew
Donkey Agony - 24 Nov 2003 01:46 GMT >> Then in another thread, someone claims that all NEW Vision phones >> from now on will be limited to 14.4kbps, and that you have to get >> a card (and pay the corresponding bucks) if you want the higher >> speeds. Is *this* true? Is, for example, the RL2500 only able >> to connect a laptop to the net at 14.4kbps?
> I think it was the thread I started... and what I'm gathering from all > the recent discussion is that the Rep I spoke to was trained to > discourage tethered usage and therefore erroneously stated that all > new phones were no longer capable of trafficking higher speeds to the > laptop--simply not true based on firsthand accounts of users here. Thanks, Drew, I hope you're right. But have these firsthand accounts been about the *really* new phones, like the RL2500?
Let's just hope the rep was way off base and we don't see this coming down the pike with *any* phones in the next year...
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Isaiah Beard - 25 Nov 2003 17:14 GMT > Then in another thread, someone claims that all NEW Vision phones from > now on will be limited to 14.4kbps, and that you have to get a card (and > pay the corresponding bucks) if you want the higher speeds. Is *this* > true? Is, for example, the RL2500 only able to connect a laptop to the > net at 14.4kbps? I've seen an RL2500 data connection go WAY faster than 14.4k bps. And whoever told you this obviously doesn't realize that high speed data is pretty much a requirement for ReadyLink; you simply can't do it with all the overhead required at a measley 14.4k.
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Donkey Agony - 25 Nov 2003 21:32 GMT >> Then in another thread, someone claims that all NEW Vision phones >> from now on will be limited to 14.4kbps, and that you have to get a >> card (and pay the corresponding bucks) if you want the higher >> speeds. Is *this* true? Is, for example, the RL2500 only able to >> connect a laptop to the net at 14.4kbps?
> I've seen an RL2500 data connection go WAY faster than 14.4k bps. And > whoever told you this obviously doesn't realize that high speed data > is pretty much a requirement for ReadyLink; you simply can't do it > with all the overhead required at a measley 14.4k. What they were saying is that it was restricted to 14.4k when connected to a *laptop*!
While this does *appear* to be misinformation from one rep, it would be nice to hear it from the horse's mouth that there are no brakes on any new or upcoming phones when a laptop connection is made.
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Bob Smith - 25 Nov 2003 22:02 GMT > >> Then in another thread, someone claims that all NEW Vision phones > >> from now on will be limited to 14.4kbps, and that you have to get a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > nice to hear it from the horse's mouth that there are no brakes on any > new or upcoming phones when a laptop connection is made. What I believe was said earlier regarding the 14.4 connection, was that they were dialing into an ISP ..., IOW, not using Vision, but using the phone as a modem.
When one tethers into a laptop with a USB cable and connects via Vision, average access times are 50-70KB, and a peak of 144KB. Faster times have been mentioned here for those who use a PCMCIA card.
Bob
Donkey Agony - 26 Nov 2003 02:23 GMT >>>> Then in another thread, someone claims that all NEW Vision phones >>>> from now on will be limited to 14.4kbps, and that you have to get a >>>> card (and pay the corresponding bucks) if you want the higher >>>> speeds. Is *this* true? Is, for example, the RL2500 only able to >>>> connect a laptop to the net at 14.4kbps? ...
> What I believe was said earlier regarding the 14.4 connection, was > that they were dialing into an ISP ..., IOW, not using Vision, but > using the phone as a modem. No, that was a different thread. The issue here is as dsecribed above, and it's based on this post:
http://tinyurl.com/wkyl
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Bob Smith - 26 Nov 2003 12:30 GMT > >>>> Then in another thread, someone claims that all NEW Vision phones > >>>> from now on will be limited to 14.4kbps, and that you have to get a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/wkyl Ahhh ... gotcha ... The rep was wrong ....
Bob
Isaiah Beard - 26 Nov 2003 04:55 GMT >>>Then in another thread, someone claims that all NEW Vision phones >>>from now on will be limited to 14.4kbps, and that you have to get a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > What they were saying is that it was restricted to 14.4k when connected > to a *laptop*! And *I'm* saying that I've seen the connection go faster than 14.4k while connected to a *laptop*. In fact I witnessed a DSLreports.com speed test just tonight with a Sanyo VM4500 connected to a laptop. Download was 60kbps, upload was 130Kbps.
> While this does *appear* to be misinformation from one rep, it would be > nice to hear it from the horse's mouth that there are no brakes on any > new or upcoming phones when a laptop connection is made. Then it looks like the only way you're going to convince yourself is to plug a phone into your laptop and try for yourself. I'll gladly tell you that the new phones are not hobbled in any way, but I'm clearly not the "horse's mouth" you seek. Which is fine, that's just more bandwidth for me. :)
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Donkey Agony - 26 Nov 2003 08:02 GMT >> What they were saying is that it was restricted to 14.4k when >> connected to a *laptop*!
> And *I'm* saying that I've seen the connection go faster than 14.4k > while connected to a *laptop*. Ahh, OK, I thought you were talking about in-phone only. That's great news!
> In fact I witnessed a DSLreports.com > speed test just tonight with a Sanyo VM4500 connected to a laptop. > Download was 60kbps, upload was 130Kbps. Is the VB4500 the blue camera phone sort of version of the RL2500?
>> While this does *appear* to be misinformation from one rep, it would >> be nice to hear it from the horse's mouth that there are no brakes >> on any new or upcoming phones when a laptop connection is made.
> Then it looks like the only way you're going to convince yourself is > to plug a phone into your laptop and try for yourself. I'll gladly > tell you that the new phones are not hobbled in any way, but I'm > clearly not the "horse's mouth" you seek. Which is fine, that's just > more bandwidth for me. :) No, I was being a "horse's a.s". :)
Thank you, Isaiah!
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Isaiah Beard - 26 Nov 2003 16:45 GMT > Is the VB4500 the blue camera phone sort of version of the RL2500? Yup. Aside from the blue color, the camera and a few modified menus here and there, it's otherwise the same as the RL2500. Incidentally, I did connect briefly with an RL2500 to see what speed I would get, and it was also just as fast.
There is one interesting thing to note though: the old Sanyo USB drivers will report your connection speed as "28.8kbps." However, the speed tests and the results you get just doing a few file transfers back and forth clearly show this to be untrue. I'm chalking up the incorrect connection speed info to a glitch in the driver.
>>Then it looks like the only way you're going to convince yourself is >>to plug a phone into your laptop and try for yourself. I'll gladly >>tell you that the new phones are not hobbled in any way, but I'm >>clearly not the "horse's mouth" you seek. Which is fine, that's just >>more bandwidth for me. :)
> No, I was being a "horse's a.s". :) No prob. Long as you're not the "Weekend Sunshine" I've been killfiling, it's all good. :)
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Donkey Agony - 27 Nov 2003 02:13 GMT >> Is the VB4500 the blue camera phone sort of version of the RL2500?
> Yup. Aside from the blue color, the camera and a few modified menus > here and there, it's otherwise the same as the RL2500. I know, I just bought one! :)
I went into the Sprint store ready to buy an RL2500, then decided to ask to see a VM4500 (I hadn't seen your response here yet). I then realized they really were the same phone except for the color and the camera/camcorder, so I decided what the heck and went for the 4500.
It's a nice phone; a lot more compact than the old 4900. The only things I've found so far where it's not as good as the 4900 is
a) Vibrate mode is much weaker b) To increase your reception, you evidently *should* extend the antenna. With the 4900, the antenna was for analog only (at least from everything I've heard).
> There is one interesting thing to note though: the old Sanyo USB > drivers will report your connection speed as "28.8kbps." However, > the speed tests and the results you get just doing a few file > transfers back and forth clearly show this to be untrue. I'm > chalking up the incorrect connection speed info to a glitch in the > driver. Well, I downloaded the new drivers from Futuredial and they seem to work just fine. Although I can't believe Sanyo (or Futuredial) still hasn't figured out how to sign the damn things for XP and Win2k. What's it been, a year?
My only problem is that my older versions of SnapSync (important) and SnapMedia (not that important, but nice to have) don't work with the new phone, and Futuredial won't let me log in using the email I registered under and the serial number on the CD. They tell me (pre-recorded message, no humans there) that I have to send them an email with all the pertinent info and they'll snail mail me a new CD within five business days! Sheesh. And it's worse with SnapMedia -- for that, you have to first send the orginal CD back to them!
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Isaiah Beard - 30 Nov 2003 05:49 GMT > a) Vibrate mode is much weaker > b) To increase your reception, you evidently *should* extend the > antenna. With the 4900, the antenna was for analog only (at least from > everything I've heard). Yeah, looks like Sanyo went with a different antenna design with the newer phones. Doesn't bother me much though, since I've been extending my antenna out of habit ever since my days with an analog teleTAC. :)
> Well, I downloaded the new drivers from Futuredial and they seem to work > just fine. Although I can't believe Sanyo (or Futuredial) still hasn't > figured out how to sign the damn things for XP and Win2k. What's it > been, a year? Yeah, I imagine there's some cost involved to getting drivers digitally signed, which they're too cheap to invest in. :)
Question for you: Do you have ReadyLink enabled? And if so, do you find you have to disable it before getting a data connection over the cable to work?
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Isaiah Beard - 25 Nov 2003 16:57 GMT > Pretty cool, eh? Of course, this is with the unlimited vision > package. One more question for you guys -- this connction to my > laptop doesn't use the minutes, right? I can't remember if he said > that -- i would assume it doesnt use your minutes. Under Vision, no, it won't use your minutes.
> Also, what is considered "abuse" anyone have any experience with this? Generally, the people who have been contacted for abuse have transferred HUGE amounts of data, we're talking over a couple gigabytes a month. While that's not huge if you're using, say a cable modem or DSL connection, it is on a wireless network. So, keep your wireless modem connections to just web surfing and e-mail, and you should be fine.
> How much have some of you used over your phone/laptop connection -- > downloading files, demos, etc? Your feedback is appreciated -- anyone > had their phone shut off because of this? > > I hear that the phone will connect your laptop at 200k+ in some cases > -- which is nice. I wouldn't say it's that fast, but I have hit close to the 144kbps limit a few times. Sometimes I get as high as 136kbps.
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