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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Sprint PCS / July 2004Web Browser for a620/vga1000 ? Fox News?
went to 3gupload and they have a few "web" browsers, but after downloading, they don't work on my phone. Is there a web browser for this phone? I'm particularily looking for FoxNews updates. Any one have input on Real one player or 1Ktv? Or anyother means of getting Fox News? Thanks Bryan > went to 3gupload and they have a few "web" browsers, but after downloading, > they don't work on my phone. Is there a web browser for this phone? I'm > particularily looking for FoxNews updates. If the 620 is a Vision phone, it *has* a web browser. Same with the VGA1000, and the VGA1000 is a Video phone, is it not, which means it MUST use vision. It's entirely possible that Fox News doesn't support wireless devices. Does Fox News advertise that you can get their updates via a wireless device?  SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. > > went to 3gupload and they have a few "web" browsers, but after downloading, > > they don't work on my phone. Is there a web browser for this phone? I'm [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Does Fox News advertise that you can get their updates via a wireless device? They do @ http://www.foxnews.com/alerts/subscribe.html Bob > They do @ http://www.foxnews.com/alerts/subscribe.html They send email alerts, which means you'll either need to receive them via SMS or PCS Mail. An option to access PCS Mail should already be built into the handset - it definitely is on my A660. My A660 also does SMS. I am not sure whether the 620 does or not. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. > > They do @ http://www.foxnews.com/alerts/subscribe.html > > They send email alerts, which means you'll either need to receive them > via SMS or PCS Mail. An option to access PCS Mail should already be built > into the handset - it definitely is on my A660. My A660 also does SMS. I > am not sure whether the 620 does or not. It looks like they do TMs as well, as there was a field to put in the phone number as well. Bob > It looks like they do TMs as well, as there was a field to put in the phone > number as well. I indicated that. SMS = Short Message Service. Sprint's web site correctly calls its text messaging service "Two-way SMS"; that's what it is. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. My Sprint PCS phone did Text Messaging, but it was one-way receive. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I indicated that. SMS = Short Message Service. Sprint's web site correctly > calls its text messaging service "Two-way SMS"; that's what it is. > My Sprint PCS phone did Text Messaging, but it was one-way receive. Yes, most older Sprint phones are one-way SMS capable. That is a good point. SMS is still text-messaging, two-way or not. I was just pointing out to Bob that SMS and text messaging refer to the same service, and the service Sprint is hawking on its website these days is actually the two- way service. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. > > My Sprint PCS phone did Text Messaging, but it was one-way receive. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > service Sprint is hawking on its website these days is actually the two- > way service. LOL. I was going to reply, saying basically the same thing as Jerome did. TMs are one way ... SMS are two way ... Bob > LOL. I was going to reply, saying basically the same thing as Jerome did. > > TMs are one way ... SMS are two way ... Wrong. First off, I don't give a rat's patootie what Sprint says, the *rest* of the industry says that "Text Messages" and "SMS" are the same thing. Given that, I side with the opinion held by the majority of the carriers and other industry players, as opposed to what Sprint's marketoons want you to think. Sprint's marketoons are the same losers who, for years, insisted that "analog" == "roaming" (sorry, that's a flat-out lie). Second, at this point even *Sprint* is using the two terms interchangeably. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. Text Messaging is one way. E-mail, Short Mail and SMS are two way. Any time a Sprint PCS phone makes an analog call, it is roaming. That is absolutely true. The Sprint PCS system is all PCS, and PCS is all digital. Therefore if a call on a Sprint PCS phone is not digital it is not on Sprint PCS' system and is roaming. > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Second, at this point even *Sprint* is using the two terms interchangeably. > Text Messaging is one way Only according to Sprint, *if* they even use that definition anymore. Sorry. > Any time a Sprint PCS phone makes an analog call, it is roaming. That > is absolutely true. I understand that. Unfortunately, I believe a lot of people think that of *other* carriers also, and it's not true. We have Sprint to thank for that. Sprint also continued to claim their call quality was superior long after other carriers began deploying the same technology they were using. In fact, I got my first GTE Mobilnet cell phone in 1993, and I remember them launching CDMA digital in August or September of 1995. Sprint wasn't even doing CDMA then, and they weren't offering service as Sprint PCS. We won't even go into detail about the fact that for a LONG time, Sprint refused to even allow digital roaming on other, compatible networks. So if you were roaming, you were analog even if you were using Alltel or Verizon. So of course Joe Sixpack who isn't familiar with the industry is automatically going to assume those other networks suck. Sprint has a lot of things going for them, but their marketing department has traditionally been full of sh.t - more so than their counterparts at other cellular carriers (IMHO). SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. > > LOL. I was going to reply, saying basically the same thing as Jerome did. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that, I side with the opinion held by the majority of the carriers and other > industry players, as opposed to what Sprint's marketoons want you to think. The issue here Steve is not your opinion as you keep on stating, but what happens with SPCS, and not with the rest of the industry. I realize I'm repeating myself, but it's worth saying to you ... once again. TMs are one way ... Everyday I receive a 3 day weather report from mobile.msn.com for Charlotte around 7:00 AM that directly downloads to my phone without going on Vision. I can not reply to these messages. Nor can I reply, if someone sends me a TM via XXX-XXX-XXXX@messaging.sprintpcs.com . If they include their telephone number, I can reply that by calling that number, by clicking on the link, but I can't reply via a TM Both the OP, yours truly & my family and 90% (my made up number) of the phones currently on the system also have Shortmail, which is two way IMing, which necessitates getting on Vision to compose and send the message. I won't bring up email as that doesn't apply to this particular thread. For the past 4 or so months, SPCS has changed to the industry standard of SMS, where one doesn't have to get on Vision to receive or compose a message. > Sprint's marketoons are the same losers who, for years, insisted that > "analog" == "roaming" (sorry, that's a flat-out lie). Until they made roaming agreements with carriers with digital service, that's all there was for roaming ... Analog ... > Second, at this point even *Sprint* is using the two terms interchangeably. Yes, they are, but IMHO, it's for the new industry standard SMS that's available on the new phones. Bob > Yes, they are, but IMHO, it's for the new industry standard SMS that's > available on the new phones. You are correct, of course. Doesn't really negate the point I made (and I replied about roaming in an earlier post). We could go back and forth forever on this subject. I don't really see any point in continuing... SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. > > Does Fox News advertise that you can get their updates via a wireless > device? > > They do @ http://www.foxnews.com/alerts/subscribe.html Thanks, I'll check that out. Now a question on these different types of messaging, when I go to the Message menu on my a620/vga100 I have the folowing choices: 1) Share Pics (obviously to send camera shots) 2) Voice mail (again obvious) 3) Shortmail 4) PCS Mail 5) Notifications What are 3, 4, & 5? ok did a little testing: I sent a message to #@messaging.spcs.com and it went to #5, notifications. I also got a beep and a mail box telling there was a message, and opeining phone took me to message. Cool! Sent to username@spcs.com , 1st respose was nothing. went to short mail, then went to pcs mail where after taking the time to log onto vision, and got to a mail box I found the test message. Test #2 after I figured out how to turn on notification was same as notification as I got a beep & a mailbox on the screen, but opening phone was a message saying I got a message, that says go to web to read it. bummer. So what is Shortmail? And if I decide not to keep vision, how much are the 3 different types of messages going to cost if I use them? Thanks again everyone Bryan > > > Does Fox News advertise that you can get their updates via a wireless > > device? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > says go to web to read it. bummer. > So what is Shortmail? Shortmail is SMS, and those are sent from the Shortmail link in your phone. Basically said, it's IM. > And if I decide not to keep vision, how much are the 3 different types of > messages going to cost if I use them? TMs I believe are $0.10. As to Emails and SMS would cost $.01/kb, but I'm not sure. Now, email notifications might be free. In other words, not to where you could read the email (as that would be necessary to connect to Vision and get charged $0.01/kb, but just the notification. These notifications include who sent the email and the subject line. Some folks use this as TM, as one can use up to 32 characters in the subject line. Now, in saying that, I went into my account and turned off email notifications, as I was getting 150 or more spams in my SPCS email box on a weekly basis. SPCS has recently installed a spam filter, which has dropped that count to about 8 spams a week now, but I'm still not interested in seeing those. Bob Bob > Shortmail is SMS, and those are sent from the Shortmail link in your phone. > Basically said, it's IM. Oh, lord. Shortmail is not SMS. You don't read SMS via a web browser. There are phones Sprint has sold that can receive SMS directly to the phone - and that's how SMS is sent. And I'm talking about the older non-Vision phones. I did it with my wife's old Samsung 8500. > TMs I believe are $0.10. As to Emails and SMS would cost $.01/kb, but I'm Bob, read the web site. Text Messages (SMS messages) are 10 cents each to send or receive, unless have the unlimited package or the 100-message-per-month package. With the latter, you get 100 free and they're 10 cents each after 100. PCS Mail is .01 per KB if you read your PCS mail through Vision. SMS doesn't use Vision and is billed separately. Please, please, PLEASE get your terminology straight. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. > > Shortmail is SMS, and those are sent from the Shortmail link in your phone. > > Basically said, it's IM. > > Oh, lord. Oh Lord yourself ... > Shortmail is not SMS. You don't read SMS via a web browser. There are phones > Sprint has sold that can receive SMS directly to the phone - and that's how > SMS is sent. And I'm talking about the older non-Vision phones. I did it with > my wife's old Samsung 8500. Steve, don't know whether you are having a bad day because of your attitude with this and the other post... but I was replying to the OPs questions on his SPCS phone ... not anyone elses. TMs are one way messages, sent to the phone via ###-###-####@messaging.sprintpcs.com. There is no way to reply to reply to a message sent this way, unless the sender also includes their phone number to call back on. Shortmail, as was questioned by the OP, was SPCS's prior SMS, before they came out with the industry standard SMS. Those messages are sent from the shortmail, via Vision to another SPCS phone number. Those message can be replied to. > > TMs I believe are $0.10. As to Emails and SMS would cost $.01/kb, but I'm > > Bob, read the web site. Text Messages (SMS messages) are 10 cents each to send > or receive, unless have the unlimited package or the 100-message-per-month > package. With the latter, you get 100 free and they're 10 cents each after > 100. Yes, but is the cost for the new SMS, or the Shortmail / SMS on all the older phones that have to access Vision prior to composing the message? > PCS Mail is .01 per KB if you read your PCS mail through Vision. SMS doesn't > use Vision and is billed separately. > > Please, please, PLEASE get your terminology straight. My terminology for the descriptions on what the OP said he had on his phone were right on ... Bob > Steve, don't know whether you are having a bad day because of your attitude > with this and the other post... Unintentionally posting incorrect information is one thing. Refusing to allow yourself to be corrected is another. I agree 1000% with most of what you say, but this is incorrect, and you're telling the guy that SMS is charged at 1c per KB, which is *wrong.* It's 10c per message if you don't have the unlimited plan or if you are over your monthly allotment. > his SPCS phone ... not anyone elses. TMs are one way messages, sent to the > phone via ###-###-####@messaging.sprintpcs.com. There is no way to reply to > reply to a message sent this way, unless the sender also includes their > phone number to call back on. Text messages are messages sent through an SMS gateway. Again, Sprint may have been using a definition of "text messages" that is completely out of sync with what the rest of the industry uses, but given other intentional misdirections Sprint's marketers have offered in the past (one of which I offered in a previous post), I can't be too surprised about this. However, I am going to be pedantic (and probably a P.I.T.A.) and insist on using the industry's definition of "text messages". On any other carrier, "text message" means "message delivered directly to a handset through an SMS gateway". Text messages are NOT retrieved via the web, they're sent directly to the handset. This was one of my major issues with Sprint until they finally launched true text messaging a couple months ago. > Shortmail, as was questioned by the OP, was SPCS's prior SMS, Shortmail is a hack. I never considered Shortmail to be SMS. No other carriers were forcing you to retrieve messages via the web (and at 39c/minute, to boot). SMS doesn't require a web browser on your phone. Perhaps an SMS gateway server was required to transfer the messages to the PCS mailboxes, but it wasn't SMS. Call me a purist... > Yes, but is the cost for the new SMS, or the Shortmail / SMS on all the > older phones that have to access Vision prior to composing the message? That's the cost for real two-way-send-and-receive-directly-from-the- handset-without-launching-Vision SMS. And it works, and works well; my phone supports two-way SMS and I find it very convenient to use. I also like having my sprintpcs.com PCS Mail box, but having to launch a web browser to read my mail is nowhere near as convenient as replying directly from the handset with a couple keypresses (which is why I'd never have used Shortmail). > My terminology for the descriptions on what the OP said he had on his phone > were right on ... Matter of opinion :) SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. >> Shortmail is SMS, and those are sent from the Shortmail link in your phone. >> Basically said, it's IM. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >PCS Mail is .01 per KB if you read your PCS mail through Vision. SMS doesn't >use Vision and is billed separately. Umm .... I have Vision. I've never had my text messages -- those things sent to 0000000000@messaging.sprintpcs.com billed separately. AFAIK, my text messages were included with my Wireless Web plan and continue to be included with my Vision plan. YMMV. >Please, please, PLEASE get your terminology straight. LOL! > Umm .... I have Vision. I've never had my text messages -- those > things sent to 0000000000@messaging.sprintpcs.com billed separately. > AFAIK, my text messages were included with my Wireless Web plan and > continue to be included with my Vision plan. YMMV. With Vision you get 100 messages per month free; without Vision it'd be $5 per month. Unlimited is $5 per month with Vision or $10 per month without. Do you ever use more than 100 messages per month? If not, they're paid for as part of your Vision service. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. To clarify for lurkers, don't forget that a message is a message, whether inbound or outbound. If you're on a shared plan, a single message between two phones on the same plan constitutes a separate message at both ends. > > Umm .... I have Vision. I've never had my text messages -- those > > things sent to 0000000000@messaging.sprintpcs.com billed separately. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Do you ever use more than 100 messages per month? If not, they're paid for > as part of your Vision service. > To clarify for lurkers, don't forget that a message is a message, whether > inbound or outbound. If you're on a shared plan, a single message between > two phones on the same plan constitutes a separate message at both ends. Right, so if you sent 50 and received 50 this month, and your package includes 100 messages free per month, the next message you send or receive will be considered #101 and will be billed. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. And if you sent 50 to the other phone on the shared plan, and they replied once to each, both phones would be at their 100 limit. I'm probably being redundant, to clarify that the fact they're on the same shared plan doesn't get you any free messages. That's distinct from plans that include free phone-to-phone voice minutes. > > To clarify for lurkers, don't forget that a message is a message, whether > > inbound or outbound. If you're on a shared plan, a single message between [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > includes 100 messages free per month, the next message you send or > receive will be considered #101 and will be billed. >> Umm .... I have Vision. I've never had my text messages -- those >> things sent to 0000000000@messaging.sprintpcs.com billed separately. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Do you ever use more than 100 messages per month? If not, they're paid for >as part of your Vision service. Unlimited text messages are included with my Vision plan. I get several alerts. I may get 30 text messages a day that can add up to over 900 a month. The online usage table labels all of them as "Included" with my Vision plan. When I check usage online with my phone, there is no tally, the text messages [and after 9 minutes] show as "Unlimited." The only extra charge on my bill is for my Vision plan. THERE IS NO SEPARATE BILLING FOR TEXT MESSAGES. > I get several alerts. I may get 30 text messages a day that can add > up to over 900 a month. The online usage table labels all of them as > "Included" with my Vision plan. When I check usage online with my > phone, there is no tally, the text messages [and after 9 minutes] show > as "Unlimited." The only extra charge on my bill is for my Vision > plan. THERE IS NO SEPARATE BILLING FOR TEXT MESSAGES. Andy - The rates I quoted come DIRECTLY FROM SPRINT PCS LITERATURE. You may have an older Vision package that has text messaging priced as you describe, you may not have two-way text messages - there are a number of variables that may affect your pricing. What I described is correct and current for the two-way SMS service Sprint currently offers. If you don't believe me, pick up a brochure at your friendly local Sprint store. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. >> I get several alerts. I may get 30 text messages a day that can add >> up to over 900 a month. The online usage table labels all of them as [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >If you don't believe me, pick up a brochure at your friendly local Sprint >store. My bill is closer and handier than the Sprint store. > My bill is closer and handier than the Sprint store. Go back and read what I said. I said "You may have an older plan that includes unlimited text messaging at no charge." Your bill, as I pointed out, does not necessarily reflect what Sprint currently offers. The literature I got about a month ago, however, does. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. > > went to 3gupload and they have a few "web" browsers, but after downloading, > > they don't work on my phone. Is there a web browser for this phone? I'm > > particularily looking for FoxNews updates. > > If the 620 is a Vision phone, it *has* a web browser. Same with the VGA1000, > and the VGA1000 is a Video phone, is it not, which means it MUST use vision. Yes, it *is* a vison phone, and it has sprints browser, where you can get stull like cnn, abc news headlines etc. I was looking for a basic browser that could go to whatever address you type in. I guess most site wouldn't look right, or maybe even work. I just saw some browsers on 3gupload and thought this might be an option. I didn't mean update like have them page me with breaking news headlines or whatever they might offer, but a website I could browse to at my convience and read the headlines, and continue on to the story if I wanted. Guess that would mean Fox News would have to make a PCS compatiable site, right? Bryan > It's entirely possible that Fox News doesn't support wireless devices. > > Does Fox News advertise that you can get their updates via a wireless device? > I didn't mean update like have them page me with breaking news headlines or > whatever they might offer, but a website I could browse to at my convience > and read the headlines, and continue on to the story if I wanted. Guess that > would mean Fox News would have to make a PCS compatiable site, right? Compatible specifically with Sprint, no. Compatible with the web browsers built into wireless phones in general, yes. That means a WAP site. But there's nothing special about Sprint phones in this case - if I create a site that any wireless browser can interpret and display, my Sprint phone will automatically be able to display it. SignatureJustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids. >>went to 3gupload and they have a few "web" browsers, but after downloading, >>they don't work on my phone. Is there a web browser for this phone? I'm >>particularily looking for FoxNews updates. > > If the 620 is a Vision phone, it *has* a web browser. Same with the VGA1000, > and the VGA1000 is a Video phone, is it not, which means it MUST use vision. The A620 and the VGA1000 are the same phone. It is a Vision-enabled camera phone, and is equipped with a web browser. -mike Yes, all PCS Vision phones have WAP browsers, not HTML browsers. I don't know what 3gupload is offering, but here's a link to a company with an HTML browser. I haven't tried it myself. It used to list compatibility with the A620, but they've removed it from the list of compatible phones. I remember reading about some intermittent error with the A620, but can't find the reference to it now. http://www.reqwireless.com/webviewer.html > went to 3gupload and they have a few "web" browsers, but after downloading, > they don't work on my phone. Is there a web browser for this phone? I'm [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks > Bryan SignatureFrank Harris in San Francisco with an A620 |
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