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Joseph Huber - 24 May 2005 01:16 GMT
Hello!

Would I file a complaint against SprintPCS with my local BBB office,
or with the BBB office in the city/state where Sprint has it's
business headquarters (which would be where???)

Thanks!

Joe Huber
huber.joseph@comcast.net
John Richards - 24 May 2005 01:34 GMT
> Would I file a complaint against SprintPCS with my local BBB office,
> or with the BBB office in the city/state where Sprint has it's
> business headquarters (which would be where???)

The latter. A BBS office that is local to Sprint headquarters
would have more influence with Sprint.
Sprint's corporate headquarters is in Overland Park, Kansas.
I would also file with the Kansas AG. You should be able to
do all this online.

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Steve Sobol - 24 May 2005 05:01 GMT
>> Would I file a complaint against SprintPCS with my local BBB office,
>> or with the BBB office in the city/state where Sprint has it's
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> would have more influence with Sprint. Sprint's corporate headquarters
> is in Overland Park, Kansas.

As a point of potential interest: Overland Park, KS is actually the
third-largest city in Kansas - it's pretty large - but it's also a
suburb of Kansas City, MO/Kansas City, KS. If Overland Park doesn't have
its own BBB chapter, you'll want the KC (MO) BBB.

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Mij Adyaw - 24 May 2005 18:09 GMT
Why do you want to file a complaint?

> Hello!
>
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> Joe Huber
> huber.joseph@comcast.net
Joseph Huber - 25 May 2005 03:07 GMT
>Why do you want to file a complaint?

1) Send in phone rebate form
2) Receive post card in about 30 days indicating that phone rebate
form was rejected
3) Call Sprint: "Mr. Huber, we are so sorry.  We see a notation on
your account that as one of our loyal customers,  you are to receive
the rebate as part of your retention agreement, but somehow your
record was not updated properly.  We assure you that you will get your
check in 30 days".
4) After 30 days, receive another post card indicating that phone
rebate form was rejected
5) Call Sprint: "Mr. Huber, we are so sorry.  We see that you have had
to call in once already about your rebate being mistakenly rejected,
but once again, somehow your record was not updated properly.  We
cannot explain why this happened again, but we absolutely assure you
that you will get your check in 30 days".
6) After 30 days, receive ????

Anybody want to venture a guess as to what I get in the mail this
time?  If it's another rejection post card, I file the complaint.  In
my complaint, I will also be listing the fact that Sprint has backed
out of one other provision of the retention agreement that they
promised to me in email.

Joe Huber
huber.joseph@comcast.net
John Richards - 25 May 2005 05:16 GMT
>>Why do you want to file a complaint?
>
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> out of one other provision of the retention agreement that they
> promised to me in email.

Had you satisfied the 18 month clock for qualifying for the rebate?

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Joseph Huber - 26 May 2005 05:05 GMT
On Wed, 25 May 2005 04:18:39 GMT, "John Richards"
>Had you satisfied the 18 month clock for qualifying for the rebate?

The issue is the date on which I purchased the phone.  I don't have
the exact dates in front of me now, but the rebate offer stipulated
that the phone be purchased by date A, and the paperwork be submitted
by a later date B.  Costco was out of MM7400's, and it was unlikely
that they would get more in time for me to purchase the phone by date
A.  I wanted to buy from Costco because of the great price, so I asked
that my retention agreement stipulate that I get the rebate
irregardless of the phone purchase date.  Sprint agreed, and made a
notation on my account stating such.  I ended up purchasing the phone
two calendar days after date A, and had the paper work submitted well
before date B.  Sprint is rejecting the rebate because the phone was
purchased 2 days after date A.

I have the retention agreement in email, and supposedly there is a
"note" on my account stating that I should get the rebate, but
apparently the rebate people are not reading this note, and my rebate
form keeps getting rejected.  I only submitted the form once, so
apparently Customer Service is resubmitting it, and the rebate people
keep rejecting it.  As I said in a post a while back, Sprint has to
have one of the worst cases of
right-hand-not-knowing-what-left-hand-is-doing syndrome that I've  run
into.

Joe Huber
huber.joseph@comcast.net
john - 25 May 2005 16:42 GMT
> Anybody want to venture a guess as to what I get in the mail this
> time?  If it's another rejection post card, I file the complaint.  In
> my complaint, I will also be listing the fact that Sprint has backed
> out of one other provision of the retention agreement that they
> promised to me in email.

don't even wait. file online with the FCC. you'll get a better response
from Sprint if they hear from the FCC than you would if they hear from the
BBB (if they even hear from the BBB)
Bob Smith - 25 May 2005 20:36 GMT
> > Anybody want to venture a guess as to what I get in the mail this
> > time?  If it's another rejection post card, I file the complaint.  In
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> from Sprint if they hear from the FCC than you would if they hear from the
> BBB (if they even hear from the BBB)

Oh? And the FCC also monitors phone rebates from a third party as well? I
doubt that very much ...

Bob
john - 26 May 2005 16:41 GMT
> Oh? And the FCC also monitors phone rebates from a third party as well? I
> doubt that very much ...

your issue is an agreement you made with Sprint that Sprint is now not
honoring, or at the very least giving you a big jerk around about. If
Sprint stated in an email you qualified and now is playing the "we are very
sorry, but it kinda out of our control.." game with you that is pure cr*p.
If you want to take it, fine. But your agreement is with Sprint, and the
FCC does cover cellular phone agreements and the providers lack of service
in honoring agreements. Do this, file both complaints on the same day and
see if you hear from Sprint about the BBB matter or the FCC matter first.
I'd bet the farm you hear about the FCC matter first.
Joseph Huber - 27 May 2005 02:36 GMT
>> Oh? And the FCC also monitors phone rebates from a third party as well? I
>> doubt that very much ...
>>
>your issue is an agreement you made with Sprint that Sprint is now not
>honoring, or at the very least giving you a big jerk around about.

Whoa Nellie...I, the one who am having the issue with Sprint, did not
make the comment you are replying to above.

Joe Huber
huber.joseph@comcast.net
john - 27 May 2005 14:45 GMT
> Whoa Nellie...I, the one who am having the issue with Sprint, did not
> make the comment you are replying to above.

yeah, I know. it was a first person literary style because I wanted to
drive home a point to the poster who obviously had not read your original
post and popped up a smart remark to my post. excuse the digression on my
part.
John Richards - 26 May 2005 00:39 GMT
>> Anybody want to venture a guess as to what I get in the mail this
>> time?  If it's another rejection post card, I file the complaint.  In
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> from Sprint if they hear from the FCC than you would if they hear from the
> BBB (if they even hear from the BBB)

I've had good success with complaints filed with the BBB.
Basically, it depends on the good will of the executive offices of
the company you're complaining about. A reputable company does
not want its BBB "unresolved complaints" rate to get too high,
because that would look bad.

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agentHibby - 26 May 2005 01:24 GMT
Becuase of goverment regulations, BBB is not always the best choice FC
or the Water and Utility board for your state are always the bette
option.
http://tinyurl.com/byy38

I don't know if the BBB could even get rid of a wireless provider.
I know they have no controll over a wireline provider (ILEC)
Isaiah Beard - 26 May 2005 20:02 GMT
> Becuase of goverment regulations, BBB is not always the best choice FCC
> or the Water and Utility board for your state are always the better
> option.

Generally, the state utility boards do not handle wireless carriers,
because wireless phone service is not a utility.

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john - 26 May 2005 23:47 GMT
> Generally, the state utility boards do not handle wireless carriers,
> because wireless phone service is not a utility.

yeah, so what? This is the Federal Communications Commission(FCC), which
does oversee the wireless carriers and the Better Business Bureau(BBB)
which is a membership organization of area businesses which has national
coverage. The PSC (Public Service Commission)in my state refered me to the
FCC when I had a complaint with a cellular company.
Isaiah Beard - 27 May 2005 16:32 GMT
>>Generally, the state utility boards do not handle wireless carriers,
>>because wireless phone service is not a utility.
>
> yeah, so what?

So, you're going to be wasting time and paper sending a letter to a
board that can't do squat.

> This is the Federal Communications Commission(FCC),

Read the thread before you go off half cocked.

http://tinyurl.com/droqu

The suggestion was made to forward the complaint to the state public
utilities commission, which would have been useless.

> does oversee the wireless carriers and the Better Business Bureau(BBB)
> which is a membership organization of area businesses which has national
> coverage. The PSC (Public Service Commission)in my state refered me to the
> FCC when I had a complaint with a cellular company.

Exactly my point.  So, you're being argumentative for nothing.

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john - 28 May 2005 10:59 GMT
me
> > yeah, so what?

you
> So, you're going to be wasting time and paper sending a letter to a
> board that can't do squat.

in many cases, but not all.

me
> > This is the Federal Communications Commission(FCC),

you
> Read the thread before you go off half cocked.

I had.

you
> The suggestion was made to forward the complaint to the state public
> utilities commission, which would have been useless.

not in all cases.

me
> > does oversee the wireless carriers and the Better Business Bureau(BBB)
> > which is a membership organization of area businesses which has national
> > coverage. The PSC (Public Service Commission)in my state refered me to the
> > FCC when I had a complaint with a cellular company.

you
> Exactly my point.  So, you're being argumentative for nothing.

key phrase is "in my state". The PSC in my state controls Bellsouth which
is a parent of Cingular. When Bellsouth has false advertising on their
website, that falls under PSC jurisdiction. When the false advertising is
referencing a Cingular cellular service, the service itself falls under FCC
jurisdiction. In my case a complaint to the PSC and the FCC, because that
is how it works in "my state". You stated yourself "generally" and then
proceeded to make it "universally". The poster who stated that one could
register a complaint with the local service commission had a valid point,
it would not be useless. And finally, I'm not in an arguement (perhaps you
are). I'm in a discussion.
 
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