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mc - 21 Oct 2005 23:43 GMT
Is it possible and / or cost effective to have two phones on the same
Sprintpcs number ?  I'm thinking it might be good to have one phone in the
car and one at home or at the office etc. I recently got a new phone and my
old one is still in pretty good shape and it seems a shame for it to just
sit in the drawer switched off.
Notan - 22 Oct 2005 00:14 GMT
> Is it possible and / or cost effective to have two phones on the same
> Sprintpcs number ?  I'm thinking it might be good to have one phone in the
> car and one at home or at the office etc. I recently got a new phone and my
> old one is still in pretty good shape and it seems a shame for it to just
> sit in the drawer switched off.

While it might seem like a good idea, it can't be done.

Notan
jayskinner@gmail.com - 22 Oct 2005 15:17 GMT
Why not? Years ago I had three cars with a car phone installed in each.
Cellular One was able to program the same phone number to each phone.
It took a day or so to activate, but they did it. They offered it as an
advertised service for an additional monthly fee.
Notan - 22 Oct 2005 15:21 GMT
> Why not? Years ago I had three cars with a car phone installed in each.
> Cellular One was able to program the same phone number to each phone.
> It took a day or so to activate, but they did it. They offered it as an
> advertised service for an additional monthly fee.

While I don't remember any carriers offering this as an option (There were
a number of companies offering it, ILLEGALLY!), you're talking the days of
analog.

With digital, no can do.

Notan
jayskinner@gmail.com - 22 Oct 2005 16:02 GMT
What was illegal about it, and what prevents a digital service, other
than a legal or marketing restriction, from doing something that the
carriers were able to do with analog?
John Richards - 22 Oct 2005 20:30 GMT
Using the example of one person owning three cars, each having its
own built-in phone, all three sharing one phone number, what
prevents more than one phone from being on at the same time?
This would confuse the heck out of the service provider's network.

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> What was illegal about it, and what prevents a digital service, other
> than a legal or marketing restriction, from doing something that the
> carriers were able to do with analog?
jayskinner@gmail.com - 22 Oct 2005 23:30 GMT
It didn't then. In the normal course of events, only one phone was on
at a time. But whenever I had more than one on at a time, all would
ring, and I could answer the call from any of them.
O/Siris - 24 Oct 2005 04:21 GMT
> It didn't then. In the normal course of events, only one phone was on
> at a time. But whenever I had more than one on at a time, all would
> ring, and I could answer the call from any of them.

The new CDMA systems won't permit it.  Anti-cloning protections attach
the phone number to an ESN, and only one per number is allowed for the
same reason: anti-cloning.

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jayskinner@gmail.com - 24 Oct 2005 13:10 GMT
As I said before, though, my phones were NOT cloned. They were
programmed with their unique ESN and the same phone number.  In this
contwxt, how does cloning and preventing it apply?
O/Siris - 25 Oct 2005 04:53 GMT
> As I said before, though, my phones were NOT cloned. They were
> programmed with their unique ESN and the same phone number.  In this
> contwxt, how does cloning and preventing it apply?

I didn't say your previous phones were cloned.  I said the new
restrictions are one protection against cloning.

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is not so good as it ought to be.
Moderation in temper is always a virtue,
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jayskinner@gmail.com - 24 Oct 2005 13:27 GMT
As I said before, though, my phones were NOT cloned. They were
programmed with their unique ESN and the same phone number.  In this
context, how does cloning and preventing it apply?
Kyler Laird - 23 Oct 2005 06:17 GMT
>Using the example of one person owning three cars, each having its
>own built-in phone, all three sharing one phone number, what
>prevents more than one phone from being on at the same time?

The ESN is registered with Sprint.  You *can* program multiple phones
with the same number but only one will work.  (I've been through this
a lot recently while trying to switch to a phone that works reliably
after my old one became flakey.)

You can certainly have calls to a single non-SprintPCS phone number
ring multiple Sprint phones though.  I often have calls to our home
phone number ring my phone and my wife's (in addition to our home
phone).  A little VoIP magic is all it takes.

'course if SprintPCS would just offer VoIP service for their mobile
phones stuff like this would become really clean and easy to do.

--kyler
Jerome Zelinske - 22 Oct 2005 23:41 GMT
    Phone cloning is usually considered illegal.  It is at least against
ToS.  It would certainly open the door for a whole lot of fraud.  One of
the main reasons for dumping analog for digital was the ability to stop
cloning/fraud.

> What was illegal about it, and what prevents a digital service, other
> than a legal or marketing restriction, from doing something that the
> carriers were able to do with analog?
jayskinner@gmail.com - 23 Oct 2005 00:02 GMT
In the situation I had with the three car phones, the phones were NOT
cloned. Each had the same phone number programmed in, and retained
their unique ESN. The Cellular One system handled it, and any
programming changes occurred at their side, not in the phone.
John S. - 23 Oct 2005 16:38 GMT
> Phone cloning is usually considered illegal.  It is at least against ToS.
> It would certainly open the door for a whole lot of fraud.  One of the
> main reasons for dumping analog for digital was the ability to stop
> cloning/fraud.

The service that the OP had (and I had and hundred's of others had) was not
cloning. It was all done in the switch and the phone itself actually had a
different number. The "call forwarding/ringing of several numbers" feature
of the switch was used.
John S. - 23 Oct 2005 16:34 GMT
> What was illegal about it, and what prevents a digital service, other
> than a legal or marketing restriction, from doing something that the
> carriers were able to do with analog?

What you described that you had wasn't illegal, it was offered by the
company.
Steve Summit - 28 Oct 2005 01:26 GMT
>> Why not? Years ago I had three cars with a car phone installed in each.
>> Cellular One was able to program the same phone number to each phone.
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>
> With digital, no can do.

That's what I would have thought, too, but here's a funny data
point: just today I got a new phone (RL-7300) at the Sprint
store in downtown Boston, to replace my old dying one, and I was
surprised to discover afterwards that the old one still had
service.  I haven't tried calling myself yet to see which of
them rings.
Notan - 28 Oct 2005 02:59 GMT
> >> Why not? Years ago I had three cars with a car phone installed in each.
> >> Cellular One was able to program the same phone number to each phone.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> service.  I haven't tried calling myself yet to see which of
> them rings.

Does it actually have service, or is it just showing a signal?

Try making a call with it.

Notan
Steve Summit - 28 Oct 2005 13:35 GMT
>>> With digital, no can do.
>>
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> Does it actually have service, or is it just showing a signal?
> Try making a call with it.

It did actually have service.  I called voice mail with the new
phone, and then with the old phone, and they both worked.

But then later that night, the old phone had lost service,
and it can't make calls now.

So obviously it was a transient effect: the network update
to recognize the new phone ID was immediate, and the one to
disrecognize the old one took more time.  Too bad I didn't
try calling myself while I had the chance; now it's too late.
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Jerome Zelinske - 28 Oct 2005 03:13 GMT
    I think you are supposed to turn the old phone off for something like
24 hours.

>>>Why not? Years ago I had three cars with a car phone installed in each.
>>>Cellular One was able to program the same phone number to each phone.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> service.  I haven't tried calling myself yet to see which of
> them rings.
John S. - 23 Oct 2005 16:33 GMT
> Why not? Years ago I had three cars with a car phone installed in each.
> Cellular One was able to program the same phone number to each phone.
> It took a day or so to activate, but they did it. They offered it as an
> advertised service for an additional monthly fee.

Because no one off ers the service any more. That's why not.
Jerome Zelinske - 22 Oct 2005 00:33 GMT
    It is not possible to have two phones on the same number.  You could
activate a second (family share) number and explore the various ways of
call forwarding.

> Is it possible and / or cost effective to have two phones on the same
> Sprintpcs number ?  I'm thinking it might be good to have one phone in the
> car and one at home or at the office etc. I recently got a new phone and my
> old one is still in pretty good shape and it seems a shame for it to just
> sit in the drawer switched off.
Brad Houser - 22 Oct 2005 01:28 GMT
> Is it possible and / or cost effective to have two phones on the same
> Sprintpcs number ?  I'm thinking it might be good to have one phone in the
> car and one at home or at the office etc. I recently got a new phone and my
> old one is still in pretty good shape and it seems a shame for it to just
> sit in the drawer switched off.

One phone per number. Each phone has an Electronic Serial Number that is
unique. Each line (phone number) is mapped to one ESN. You can add a second
line and share minutes, but it might be a change to your plan.

Brad H
mc - 22 Oct 2005 14:12 GMT
Thanks a lot for the info guys.

> > Is it possible and / or cost effective to have two phones on the same
> > Sprintpcs number ?  I'm thinking it might be good to have one phone in the
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>
> Brad H
 
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