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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Sprint PCS / June 2006Bye-Bye Nokia!
Nokia abandons JV with Sanyo Nokia will no longer build their own CDMA phones See: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1980432,00.asp > Nokia abandons JV with Sanyo > Nokia will no longer build their own CDMA phones > > See: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1980432,00.asp They will continue to provide them for North America, where the CDMA standard is strongly supported. hey will not provide them to the rest of the world, where CDMA is on the wane. >> Nokia abandons JV with Sanyo >> Nokia will no longer build their own CDMA phones [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > standard is strongly supported. hey will not provide them to the rest of > the world, where CDMA is on the wane. I stand by my original statement "Nokia will no longer build their own CDMA phones" As the article states "You'll still see CDMA phones with the Nokia name on them here in the US, but they'll be made by other companies, such as Korea's Pantech and KTFT." It will be a Pantech or KTFT phone with a Nokia 'label'..... And from their own press release http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1059329 "Nokia plans to ramp down its own CDMA R&D and manufacturing by April 2007" >>> Nokia abandons JV with Sanyo >>> Nokia will no longer build their own CDMA phones [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1059329 > "Nokia plans to ramp down its own CDMA R&D and manufacturing by April 2007" Yeah. And the idiocy continues. They failed in the CDMA market in the first place, because there was a LONG period between the Nokia 2100-series phones and the working CDMA phones they finally released seven or eight years later, where their CDMA handsets flat-out sucked. Nokia's CDMA products were so crappy that for years, Sprint and Verizon refused to sell them. Now, instead of hooking up with Sanyo, a deal which would help both companies -- on a technical level, Sanyos are widely regarded to be some of the best phones Sprint sells, and the Nokia deal would have helped gain Sanyo more market share, because they only sell their own phones through Sprint -- Nokia's decided to go with... well, who the hell *are* Pantech and KTFT, anyhow? They've proven once again that they are clueless with regards to CDMA.  SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. > They failed in the CDMA market in the first place, because there was a LONG > period between the Nokia 2100-series phones and the working CDMA phones they > finally released seven or eight years later, where their CDMA handsets > flat-out sucked. Nokia's CDMA products were so crappy that for years, Sprint > and Verizon refused to sell them. I have never seen any bad reviews about the Nokia 6016i. Not everyone wants a flip phone with all bells & whistles. But then, Sprint has it on clearance, while a Sanyo RL4930, another reliable, durable brick, seems to have taken its place. >> They failed in the CDMA market in the first place, because there was a >> LONG [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > clearance, while a Sanyo RL4930, another reliable, durable brick, seems > to have taken its place. The Nokia 6016i is a newer model. The newer CDMA Nokias are supposed to actually be decent. I'm talking about the period between, roughly, 1997-8 and 2003-4. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. > They've proven once again that they are clueless with regards to CDMA. The simple reason Nokia have pretty much dumped CDMA is that licence fees to Qaulcom (I think that is the mob) are excessive and secondly it is a dying market. World wide it is on the decline and despite popular belief the US is not the centre of the Universe and are not the only market in the world. Nokia have made a financial decision to stick with GSM and 3G as they see it as the future in phones. -- The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may belong to. 73 de Simon, VK3XEM. http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452 >> They've proven once again that they are clueless with regards to CDMA. > > The simple reason Nokia have pretty much dumped CDMA is that licence > fees to Qaulcom (I think that is the mob) are excessive and secondly it > is a dying market. I think you're missing the points: (a) They never *had* any decent commitment to CDMA, and (b) yes, I understand the licensing fees were high, but when Nokia did their own CDMA chipsets they sucked a.s. I speak from experience as a longtime Nokia CDMA phone user in the US. > belief the US is not the centre of the Universe and are not the only > market in the world. Simon, I'm actually an American who *doesn't* believe the US is the center of the Universe, so you'll get no argument from me there. However, it IS a large market, and four of the six major players in this country -- Verizon Wireless, Sprint, Alltel and US Cellular -- are CDMA, so there's money to be made. If Nokia had started off on the right foot in the first place, maybe they'd be doing well enough that things wouldn't have come to this. > Nokia have made a financial decision to stick with GSM and 3G as they > see it as the future in phones. Which is fine with me. My main point was that, as I mentioned, their commitment to CDMA has always been, at best, very weak. Ironically, after using CDMA carriers for years, I now use T-Mobile USA (1900 MHz GSM), so the decision doesn't affect me... SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. Warning - this is mostly a rant: >> The simple reason Nokia have pretty much dumped CDMA is that licence >> fees to Qaulcom (I think that is the mob) are excessive and secondly it >> is a dying market. >Simon, I'm actually an American who *doesn't* believe the US is the center of >the Universe, so you'll get no argument from me there. Yeah, me too. Something about, if US is center of the Universe, & Wal-Mart is rapidly becoming the center of the US, & it mostly caters to a homogenous, narrow-choice, cheap, dumb-down culture, well, that's just pretty sad... Not to mention a culture that prefers spending a trillion on a stupid war while not providing decent health care to a very large percentage of the population. Not to mention a culture that seems to believe Steve Ballmer needs a tax cut so he can realize 200million more on a billion $ stock sale while the rest of us pay more tax to cover that trillion $ war. Not to mention a culture so stupid it continues to vote for millionaire politicians instead of people who might understand what living on average wage is like. But, hey, nobody's perfect, eh what? Politics aside, I have a Nokia 3589i from Verizon which I chose a couple of years ago because it spec'd best battery life & PC connectivity. Only after I received the phone was it apparent Verizon required Nokia to prevent their software from doing much that was useful because Verizon wants to charge me $$$ to host my data on their servers for their stupid Get It Now service. No, I don't want to pay Verizon to host my data on their servers, I have a perfectly good computer of my own to connect with my phone. How much Get It Now $$$ do they really think they'll lose? Ok, so I think Verizon is stupid. Maybe I should choose a different carrier. Unfortunately, there isn't one with the coverage I desire - rural New Mexico & Colorado. Not much choice. Anyways, I don't give much of a crap about CDMA or GSM, I just want a phone whose content I can manage with my PC, which of course runs Linux. At least for Nokia phones there is gnokii & gammu, if you can get them to work. Haven't seen anything for other phones. So, pick your poison... Signature<> Robert Geer & Donna Tomky | |||| We sure |||| <> <> bgeer@xmission.com | == == find it == == <> <> dtomky@xmission.com | == == enchanting == == <> <> Albuquerque, NM USA | |||| here! |||| <> > Anyways, I don't give much of a crap about CDMA or GSM, I just > want a phone whose content I can manage with my PC, which of > course runs Linux. At least for Nokia phones there is gnokii > & gammu, if you can get them to work. Haven't seen anything > for other phones. BitPim works fine with my LG VX4400. The web page at SF says it works for many other CDMA phones from LG, Samsung, Sanyo and others that use a Qualcomm chipset. I've only BitPim under Linux -- there are builds for Windows and MacOS X also: http://bitpim.sourceforge.net/ SignatureGrant Edwards grante Yow! With YOU, I can be at MYSELF... We don't NEED visi.com Dan Rather... >... & Wal-Mart is rapidly becoming the center of > the US, & it mostly caters to a homogenous, > narrow-choice, cheap, dumb-down culture, well, that's > just pretty sad... > Not to mention a culture so stupid it continues to vote for > millionaire politicians instead of people who might > understand what living on average wage is like. That would be the Wal-Mart crowd mentioned above? that understands what living on average wage is like? -Quick "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in news:0ABng.108785 $H71.49833@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com: > hat would be the Wal-Mart crowd mentioned above? that > understands what living on average wage is like? > > -Quick Hi, Quicky! Long time, no heckle! > "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in > news:0ABng.108785 $H71.49833@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Hi, Quicky! Long time, no heckle! Oh! Is this Larry (E) or tin foil hat Larry? -Quick > Oh! Is this Larry (E) or tin foil hat Larry? noone@home.com is Bagphone Larry. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. >> Oh! Is this Larry (E) or tin foil hat Larry? > >noone@home.com is Bagphone Larry. Around the Comcast group, he's known as Download24x7 Larry. SignaturePaul Miner >> ... & Wal-Mart is rapidly becoming the center of >> the US, & it mostly caters to a homogenous, >> narrow-choice, cheap, dumb-down culture, well, that's >> just pretty sad... I've seen examples of modern "European culture" that make the US (and yes, even Wal-Mart) look like pinnacles of enlightenment by comparison. >> Not to mention a culture so stupid it continues to vote for >> millionaire politicians instead of people who might >> understand what living on average wage is like. > That would be the Wal-Mart crowd mentioned above? that > understands what living on average wage is like? If the millionaire politicians were all removed from office, then the entire USA would be controlled by Republicans. Far more Democrats than Republicans are millionaires. Populist agitators should be careful what they advocate. After all, they may get their wish. The Law of Unintended Consequences is the only law that is never broken. -- Mark -- http://panda.com/mrc Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote. > Not to mention a culture that prefers spending a > trillion on a stupid war while not providing decent health care to a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > stupid it continues to vote for millionaire politicians instead of > people who might understand what living on average wage is like. You don't REALLY believe the "culture", the people of the country, have anything to say about what the hand-picked lawyers on the ballot do to them, do you? Federal politicians and bureaucrats don't give a rats a.s what Americans want or there'd be no income tax. Ask any American you meet on the street.... And when gsm finally gets around to upgrading from 2g to 3g, what will it be? It will be wCDMA !!! nokia may be ramping down it's CDMA division, but it is quite likely ramping up it's wCDMA division. |
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