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C C - 25 Jun 2006 00:11 GMT
Is this really fair?  I plan to port my number to Sprint because this is the
only nationwide carrier which allows tethering for the least amount per
month using plan minutes ($15 vision pack).
Thurman - 25 Jun 2006 00:43 GMT
> Is this really fair?  I plan to port my number to Sprint because this is
> the only nationwide carrier which allows tethering for the least amount
> per month using plan minutes ($15 vision pack).

I think you best go back and read the fine print.

If you get tethering to work, I think you'll pay far more than $15.
Jerome Zelinske - 25 Jun 2006 04:37 GMT
     Regular Vision does not allow tethering.  Vision does not use
minutes.  If you are not on a Vision plan, but use data, then you would
be charged for the amount of data used.
C C - 25 Jun 2006 05:26 GMT
>      Regular Vision does not allow tethering.  Vision does not use
> minutes.  If you are not on a Vision plan, but use data, then you would be
> charged for the amount of data used.

I'm looking at the Sprint PCS website on the $15.00 "Sprint Power Vision(sm)
Access Pack".  The description says this Sprint Power Vision(sm) choice
includes 1) Unlimited Web and Data Access, 2) Watch live TV on the go....
(which I don't care for), and 3) Streaming Radio Channel with Sirius Hits.
It also says that "Customers with a ... Sprint Power Vision(sm) phone will
be charged $0.02 per kilobyte for Sprint PCS Vision(sm) or Sprint Power
Vision(sm) usage UNLESS a Sprint PCS Vision(sm) Pack or Sprint Power
Vision(sm) Pack is selected."

So, I think the $15.00 Sprint Power Vision(sm) subscription is good enough
to use the phone for Data access, whether on the phone itself or through BT
or USB cable.

BUT wait, there is also another choice: "Unlimited Data Plan for Phone as
Modem" for $40.00!!!!

Whether I can use the $15.00 choice for tethering or not, I have to clarify
this with Sprint.
DavyDE - 26 Jun 2006 01:48 GMT
On 6/25/06 12:26 AM, in article
Ofong.28605$VE1.10332@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com, "C C"
<someone@atsbcglobal.net> wrote:

>>      Regular Vision does not allow tethering.  Vision does not use
>> minutes.  If you are not on a Vision plan, but use data, then you would be
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> to use the phone for Data access, whether on the phone itself or through BT
> or USB cable.

The $15 Power Vision is for unlimited data on your phone or device and not
meant for use via Bluetoth or a USB cable



> BUT wait, there is also another choice: "Unlimited Data Plan for Phone as
> Modem" for $40.00!!!!

Bingo !! This is what you have to pay extra on top of the $15 if you want to
tether via USB or bluetooth (otherwise referred to as Phone-As-Modem or PAM)

> Whether I can use the $15.00 choice for tethering or not, I have to clarify
> this with Sprint.
DavyDE - 26 Jun 2006 01:44 GMT
Regular Vision (1XRTT) allows tethering, I have a Treo 650 and before that
had a Sano 8100 (and Vision when it used to be $10) and have always
tethered. Power Vision requires the Phone as Modem plan for an extra $39.99
to tether.
Read any Sprint plan brochure and regular Vision (1XRTT) is $15 and includes
unlimited data and phone as modem use at no extra charge.
Power Vision is $15 and Phone as Modem is $39.99 extra.

On 6/24/06 11:37 PM, in article
rynng.11735$o4.8236@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net, "Jerome Zelinske"
<jeromez1@earthlink.net> wrote:

>       Regular Vision does not allow tethering.  Vision does not use
> minutes.  If you are not on a Vision plan, but use data, then you would
> be charged for the amount of data used.
Jerome Zelinske - 26 Jun 2006 04:44 GMT
     Regular Vision does not include phone as modem or tethering.  As
per TOS I just read on Sprint PCS' web site.  Regular Power Vision does
not either.  You need a Phone As Modem option or a Data Card plan.
C C - 26 Jun 2006 15:32 GMT
I called Sprint PCS Customer service yesterday and told her that I am
looking to occasionally connect my laptop to the Internet with a Sprint
phone and asked her what Power Vision additional plan should I select.  She
placed me on hold for a while and when she came back on the phone, she said
she consulted with the technical people and she said the $20 Power Vision
pack will allow me to tether my laptop to the phone with out being charged
additional data charges.

This is becoming confusing with so many conflicting information on this
subject.

>      Regular Vision does not include phone as modem or tethering.  As per
> TOS I just read on Sprint PCS' web site.  Regular Power Vision does not
> either.  You need a Phone As Modem option or a Data Card plan.
Notan - 26 Jun 2006 15:46 GMT
> I called Sprint PCS Customer service yesterday and told her that I am
> looking to occasionally connect my laptop to the Internet with a Sprint
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> <snip>

As Jerome said, "You need a Phone As Modem option or a Data Card plan."

You can also take your chances, "flying under the radar." In the past
(before the above mentioned options), occasional use was overlooked.
Some have reported that this is still the case.

Notan
C C - 26 Jun 2006 17:32 GMT
Yes,

I just confirmed it with another Customer Service rep just 5 minutes ago.

>> I called Sprint PCS Customer service yesterday and told her that I am
>> looking to occasionally connect my laptop to the Internet with a Sprint
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Notan
Notan - 26 Jun 2006 19:00 GMT
> Yes,
>
> I just confirmed it with another Customer Service rep just 5 minutes ago.
>
> <snip>

While you don't know me from Adam, trust me when I tell you that if you're
going to go by what the two CS folks are telling you, you're going to want
to get it in writing (or have the conversation recorded).

Notan
C C - 26 Jun 2006 19:23 GMT
But wait.  I'm looking at the Samsung MM-A920's "More Features", it says
under "Phone as Modem Capable" feature: "Use the included  USB cable and
your Sprint Power Vision to connect to a PC, allowing Internet and email
access."  Doesn't this mean that if I add a "Sprint Power Vision" to my
plan, I can connect a DUN capable phone to the Internet!

> Yes,
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>>
>> Notan
Notan - 26 Jun 2006 19:27 GMT
> But wait.  I'm looking at the Samsung MM-A920's "More Features", it says
> under "Phone as Modem Capable" feature: "Use the included  USB cable and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> <snip>

If you're looking for someone to tell you what you want to hear, you've come
to the wrong place.

Sorry.

Notan
Joel Kolstad - 27 Jun 2006 00:52 GMT
> But wait.  I'm looking at the Samsung MM-A920's "More Features", it says
> under "Phone as Modem Capable" feature: "Use the included  USB cable and
> your Sprint Power Vision to connect to a PC, allowing Internet and email
> access."  Doesn't this mean that if I add a "Sprint Power Vision" to my
> plan, I can connect a DUN capable phone to the Internet!

Sure, you can do it, but that doesn't mean you aren't going to charged up the
wazoo for it.

The problem here is that, until quite recently, "phone as modem" usage was not
officially allowed *at all* on Sprint -- but plenty of people did it anyway,
and so long as the use was relatively small, Sprint didn't bother persuing
people doing it.  (In fact, until a year or so ago, on many phones it wasn't
possible to tell whether data usage was from a "phone as modem" vs. just from
the phone's built-in web browser.)

At present, if you *don't* have a "phone as modem" plan, it seems as though
tethering still *works* on the phones, but presumably Sprint could start
charging you the "casual usage" fee ($20/MB) and you really couldn't contest
it when you were socked with $100 for just checking your e-mail with a
laptop -- but you can find people saying they aren't being charged this at
present.

Finally, realize that there are some people on this newsgroup who will only
parrot what Sprint officially supports rather than what people actually *do*
with their phones.  But the bottom line is that you're taking a risk of being
hit with large unexpected fees if you tether a phone and *don't* have a phone
as modem plan.

---Joel Kolstad
Paul Miner - 27 Jun 2006 02:03 GMT
>> But wait.  I'm looking at the Samsung MM-A920's "More Features", it says
>> under "Phone as Modem Capable" feature: "Use the included  USB cable and
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>possible to tell whether data usage was from a "phone as modem" vs. just from
>the phone's built-in web browser.)

<SNIP>

Minor correction: Pre-PAM, it wasn't possible to tell whether data
usage was from a tethered phone vs. from a data card. It was always
easy to tell if data usage was from the phone's built-in browser.

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Joel Kolstad - 27 Jun 2006 17:03 GMT
> Minor correction: Pre-PAM, it wasn't possible to tell whether data
> usage was from a tethered phone vs. from a data card. It was always
> easy to tell if data usage was from the phone's built-in browser.

Thanks for the clarification Paul.

It'd sure be a lot easier on everyone if Sprint did choose to officially
support a certain amount of "casual" tethered usage, e.g., up to 10MB a month
or something, without requiring a separate plan.  It'd get rid of all the
"flying under the radar" discussions...
Der.MEROVINGIAN - 27 Jun 2006 04:31 GMT
>       Regular Vision does not include phone as modem or tethering.  As
> per TOS I just read on Sprint PCS' web site.  Regular Power Vision does
> not either.  You need a Phone As Modem option or a Data Card plan.

Regular Vision does allow tethering. Come into my Store @ 42nd and 5th
ave in NYC and i'll gladly show you.
Scott - 27 Jun 2006 04:52 GMT
>>       Regular Vision does not include phone as modem or tethering.  As
>> per TOS I just read on Sprint PCS' web site.  Regular Power Vision does
>> not either.  You need a Phone As Modem option or a Data Card plan.
>
> Regular Vision does allow tethering. Come into my Store @ 42nd and 5th ave
> in NYC and i'll gladly show you.

Now there's a shock- a salesguy who either doesn't know how the product
works or is willing to say anything to get the sale.  Never saw that one
before.
John Richards - 28 Jun 2006 04:52 GMT
>>       Regular Vision does not include phone as modem or tethering.  As
>> per TOS I just read on Sprint PCS' web site.  Regular Power Vision does
>> not either.  You need a Phone As Modem option or a Data Card plan.
>
> Regular Vision does allow tethering. Come into my Store @ 42nd and 5th
> ave in NYC and i'll gladly show you.

Just because it is physically possible doesn't mean it's allowed per
Sprint's TOS.

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John Richards

Notan - 28 Jun 2006 05:03 GMT
> >>       Regular Vision does not include phone as modem or tethering.  As
> >> per TOS I just read on Sprint PCS' web site.  Regular Power Vision does
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Just because it is physically possible doesn't mean it's allowed per
> Sprint's TOS.

Nowhere, NOWHERE, does Sprint mention the option to tether with any Vision plans.

Notan
 
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