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Can I transfer my old cellular telephone number after 30 day trial?

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techman41973@yahoo.com - 23 Dec 2006 09:35 GMT
I currently have cellular service with Verizon. I like the Sprint
version of the PPC-6700 and plan on starting an account with Sprint to
try the phone and the service. I want to be able to transfer my verizon
cellular number to my new sprint account only after I decide that I
like the phone and service before Sprints 30-day risk-free guarantee
expires. Does anyone know if this is possible?
mikeyhsd - 23 Dec 2006 14:35 GMT
mostly depends on how easily you are to divorce verizon.
if you still have time left on your contract with them, they might not be to willing to release the number unless you pay off the contract.

never hurts to ask.
do you have any contract dispute problems with verizon that might help your case

mikeyhsd@sport.rr.com

 I currently have cellular service with Verizon. I like the Sprint
 version of the PPC-6700 and plan on starting an account with Sprint to
 try the phone and the service. I want to be able to transfer my verizon
 cellular number to my new sprint account only after I decide that I
 like the phone and service before Sprints 30-day risk-free guarantee
 expires. Does anyone know if this is possible?
jjim - 23 Dec 2006 18:46 GMT
> mostly depends on how easily you are to divorce verizon.
> if you still have time left on your contract with them, they might not be to willing to release the number unless you pay off the contract.
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> them, they might not be to willing to release the number unless you pay off the
> contract.

I don't believe they can refuse a port because you are on a contract, they
can charge you for early cancellation however.  It is my understanding
that if the number you want to port is:  a working number, it is in the
calling area you are located, the correct name, address, account number of
former carrier, and password if there is one on the account they have to
port the number.  If they reject it, they must state why so you can
challenge them.

I presently do to business have accounts with Sprint, Alltel, Nextel,
Verizon.  (cant stand Verizon or Nextel) I recently ported a number from
ATT which was a Voip number to Alltel.  It took a week cause they said
even though it shows as a wireless they consider it a landline.  They
first rejected it cause of address.  My address and billing never changed
with ATT, however they outsource, in this case to Level 3 Communications.
ATT doesnt tell anyone but they used one address for all their VOIP
numbers in an area, even though their billing records are different.  The
port company tried to reject my request because of the addy.  So I had
Alltel pretend the other address was mine for the porting form, bam, my
number was ported immediately.  (Actually they wanted another week but I
got their private number and raised enough hell they did it in two days)

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Isaiah Beard - 24 Dec 2006 04:38 GMT
> mostly depends on how easily you are to divorce verizon.
> if you still have time left on your contract with them, they might not
> be to willing to release the number unless you pay off the contract.

The FCC requires all carriers to release a number if it's elligible for
porting and the porting request is valid.  It doesn't matter if you're
still under contract.  And it doesn't matter if you have an outstanding
or late balance.

That said, Verizon CAN bill him for an ETF, and can still come after him
for any unpaid bills.  But they are not allowed to hold the phone number
hostage.

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mikeyhsd - 24 Dec 2006 14:49 GMT
does not mean that they cannot delay and place road blocks.
nothing to stop them.

mikeyhsd@sport.rr.com

 mikeyhsd wrote:
 > mostly depends on how easily you are to divorce verizon.
 > if you still have time left on your contract with them, they might not
 > be to willing to release the number unless you pay off the contract.

 The FCC requires all carriers to release a number if it's elligible for
 porting and the porting request is valid.  It doesn't matter if you're
 still under contract.  And it doesn't matter if you have an outstanding
 or late balance.

 That said, Verizon CAN bill him for an ETF, and can still come after him
 for any unpaid bills.  But they are not allowed to hold the phone number
 hostage.

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Isaiah Beard - 27 Dec 2006 16:52 GMT
> does not mean that they cannot delay and place road blocks.

*sigh* I guess I have to repeat myself:

The FCC requires all carriers to release a number if it's elligible for
porting and the porting request is valid.

They can't put up any roadblocks, and they can't delay.  They MUST port
the number and meet their stated obligation.  The rules on this are very
specific, and were written with the potential for carrier stalling in mind.

Of course, if you do something like give the wrong account number, don't
give the account password or misspell the account holder's name, then
your port will get delayed.  But that's par for the course on any port,
even if you've been a model customer and are not under contract.

It helps that a lot of the porting is done automatically, and done by a
third party company that acts as a go-between among the carriers.  Among
those go-betweens is Neustar ( http://www.neustar.biz/ ).

I have ported twice already, both while still under contract.  In both
cases, the ports took mere minutes.  Of course I paid the ETF both
times, but I wasn't required to pay it in advance before they allowed
the port.  And I wasn't hassled about it, nor did anyone stall.
mikeyhsd - 27 Dec 2006 18:51 GMT
you can repeat yourself, 30,000,000,000 times a day.
still does not change the fact that if they decide to place road blocks they will do so.
only choice to get around them is to threaten law suit.

best thing is to app[roach them with a smile and good attitude and hope for the best.

mikeyhsd@sport.rr.com

 mikeyhsd wrote:

 > does not mean that they cannot delay and place road blocks.

 *sigh* I guess I have to repeat myself:

 The FCC requires all carriers to release a number if it's elligible for
 porting and the porting request is valid.

 They can't put up any roadblocks, and they can't delay.  They MUST port
 the number and meet their stated obligation.  The rules on this are very
 specific, and were written with the potential for carrier stalling in mind.

 Of course, if you do something like give the wrong account number, don't
 give the account password or misspell the account holder's name, then
 your port will get delayed.  But that's par for the course on any port,
 even if you've been a model customer and are not under contract.

 It helps that a lot of the porting is done automatically, and done by a
 third party company that acts as a go-between among the carriers.  Among
 those go-betweens is Neustar ( http://www.neustar.biz/ ).

 I have ported twice already, both while still under contract.  In both
 cases, the ports took mere minutes.  Of course I paid the ETF both
 times, but I wasn't required to pay it in advance before they allowed
 the port.  And I wasn't hassled about it, nor did anyone stall.
Paul Miner - 27 Dec 2006 22:21 GMT
>you can repeat yourself, 30,000,000,000 times a day.
>still does not change the fact that if they decide to place road blocks they will do so.
>only choice to get around them is to threaten law suit.

Dead wrong, as usual. What Isaiah said is absolutely correct.

>  mikeyhsd wrote:
>
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>  the number and meet their stated obligation.  The rules on this are very
>  specific, and were written with the potential for carrier stalling in mind.

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Unquestionably Confused - 28 Dec 2006 00:57 GMT
>> you can repeat yourself, 30,000,000,000 times a day.
>> still does not change the fact that if they decide to place road blocks they will do so.
>> only choice to get around them is to threaten law suit.
>
> Dead wrong, as usual. What Isaiah said is absolutely correct.

Actually, it's a game of semantics, Paul.  You do know the difference
between "can" and "may" don't you?

I would NOT want to bet money that some idiot working for one of the
various cell providers doesn't screw with a customer seeking to port a
number.  He CAN do it.  He MAY NOT do it with impunity.

I think we can agree that pretty much universally, "Thou shalt not
kill!" is the law of whatever land you happen to be in.  For some
strange reason, not everyone seems to have gotten the message after how
many thousands of years?  You MAY not kill someone but there are a lot
of folks out there who CAN and DO do so each day.

So, bottom line is that Mikeyhsd is correct they CAN do so but they do
so at their peril for you (the consumer) has the law on your side.

Am I nitpicking?  Yep, but so are you.  You know damn well that Isaiah
meant they MAY not (by law) impede the porting but they certainly can if
they choose to violate the law.

>>  mikeyhsd wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>  the number and meet their stated obligation.  The rules on this are very
>>  specific, and were written with the potential for carrier stalling in mind.
Paul Miner - 28 Dec 2006 05:00 GMT
>>> you can repeat yourself, 30,000,000,000 times a day.
>>> still does not change the fact that if they decide to place road blocks they will do so.
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>Actually, it's a game of semantics, Paul.  You do know the difference
>between "can" and "may" don't you?
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Your "thou shalt not kill" analogy was spot on. ;-)

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Isaiah Beard - 29 Dec 2006 14:13 GMT
>> Dead wrong, as usual. What Isaiah said is absolutely correct.
>
> Actually, it's a game of semantics, Paul.

Actually, I think I made it pretty clear that it cannot happen.  CANNOT.
 Not "may" not.

> You do know the difference
> between "can" and "may" don't you?
>
> I would NOT want to bet money that some idiot working for one of the
> various cell providers doesn't screw with a customer seeking to port a
> number.  He CAN do it.  He MAY NOT do it with impunity.

This would be true IF all the ports were done manually.  But they
aren't, unless ambiguous information is given, and then a neutral third
party like Neustar gets involved.  The vast majority of ports aren't
touched by ANY human, except the human selling you the new service.  And
they generally have a motive to make the port work, rather than stall it.

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O/Siris - 23 Dec 2006 17:05 GMT
techman41973@yahoo.com Wrote:
> I currently have cellular service with Verizon. I like the Sprint
> version of the PPC-6700 and plan on starting an account with Sprint to
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> like the phone and service before Sprints 30-day risk-free guarantee
> expires. Does anyone know if this is possible?

There should be no problem doing this.  It's a simple phone number swa
with the only added step being the "new" number is the one being porte
in.  Just make sure you have a copy of your Verizon bill with you whe
you actually port in.

And I always recommend porting in to ANY carrier this way.  Some thir
party agents don't want to do it because it messes with thei
commisioning.  So I also recommend dealing only with actual corporat
stores

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Isaiah Beard - 24 Dec 2006 04:35 GMT
> I currently have cellular service with Verizon. I like the Sprint
> version of the PPC-6700 and plan on starting an account with Sprint to
> try the phone and the service. I want to be able to transfer my verizon
> cellular number to my new sprint account only after I decide that I
> like the phone and service before Sprints 30-day risk-free guarantee
> expires. Does anyone know if this is possible?

Yes you can.  You just call up *2 when you're ready to port over, and
let them know what you want to do.  Just be aware that the phone number
you have with Sprint will go away, to be rplaced by the ported number.
Keep that in mind if you give out your Sprint number to anyone.

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