Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Sprint PCS / April 2007
Mini-SD possible future 'SIM' Card?
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Juan Pablo - 19 Apr 2007 15:46 GMT One VERY nice feature about the GSM phones are their usage with a tiny SIM card. The SIM card contains the user's activated account - AND - Contacts Listing/Phonebook info! This SIM card allows effortless, no-hassle, "instant activation" from your account from one GSM Phone to another by merely moving it from one GSM phone to another - AND - transfers your Contact List/Phone book into the other phone. If the GSM phone is also UNlocked, you can also move that SIM card between GSM phones from different GSM carriers such as T-Mobile, Cingular, ATT, etc. Indeed you can have a so-called Work Phone and a Weekend Phone if you wish, activated at will by merely transferring that SIM card between phones as you desire.
My Question is based upon that many of the latest CDMA phones from Sprint now also contain removable Mini-SD memory cards. Is it possible that in the near future the CDMA phones equipped with removable Mini-SD cards will someday be able to function as the GSM phones' SIM cards do today?
Thanks for any comments. ---Juan
Todd Allcock - 19 Apr 2007 17:17 GMT > One VERY nice feature about the GSM phones are their usage > with a tiny SIM card. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > equipped with removable Mini-SD cards will someday be able > to function as the GSM phones' SIM cards do today? Probably not. The fact that (American) CDMA phones do not use SIMs is not because ofany technology limitation- GSM and SIMs were around before CDMA, but because CDMA providers like Verizon and Sprint want to maintain control of who uses what device on their networks. Using a replacable SIM removes that power from them and gives it to you, and they don't want that.
IIRC, some Asian CDMA operators use SIMs on their CDMA phones, for example, but American CDMA providers never have, and likely never will.
However, Verizon (and perhaps Sprint as well) has automated systems (via telephone or webpage) that let you switch the phone used on your account by typing in the new phone's ESN, giving you the option of having the weekday/weekend phone you desire, without a removable SIM. Keep in mind that there are restrictions- Sprint and Verizon don't allow other carrier's phones on their network, even though they're compatible (i.e. you can't activate a Sprint phone on Verizon or vice-versa) and older phones can't be activated (they only allow E911-compliant phones), etc. This is why they'd never go for a "SIM-type" activation system.
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Gary - 20 Apr 2007 17:27 GMT Every time you change phones on your sprint number it resets the time for a rebate allowance. I purchased a new phone about 6 months ago because my phone was damaged... I transfered the number to it and now I went in to the sprint store to look at new phones and they said that because I switched phones they would not give me any credit towards a new phone... If I had not switched phones I would be elgible for a 150 credit... so I am being punished because I purchased a phone myself... This is just one reason I will be switching away from Sprint.
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Notan - 20 Apr 2007 17:47 GMT > Every time you change phones on your sprint number it resets the time for a > rebate allowance. I purchased a new phone about 6 months ago because my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > punished because I purchased a phone myself... This is just one reason I > will be switching away from Sprint. Just out of curiosity, where are you going that's better?
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Gary - 20 Apr 2007 19:03 GMT Verizon seems to have the best coverage in the Phoenix area. Gary
>> Every time you change phones on your sprint number it resets the time for >> a rebate allowance. I purchased a new phone about 6 months ago because [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Just out of curiosity, where are you going that's better? Notan - 20 Apr 2007 19:11 GMT > Verizon seems to have the best coverage in the Phoenix area. <snip>
Coverage should *always* be your priority.
Once you've established that, I think you'll find that all providers have varying degrees of after-the-sale support.
Good Luck!
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Todd Allcock - 20 Apr 2007 20:06 GMT > Coverage should *always* be your priority. Given that parameter, everyone of us should ditch every cellular provider we use and switch to a satellite phone!
Realistically, coverage, while important, is still only one of the factors to consider. In my case, value was far more important than ubiquitous coverage. I use T-Mobile- arguably the carrier with the worst coverage nationwide. However, it works virtually everywhere I live, work and play, and costs me easily $40 less than Cingular and $60 or more less than Verizon per month (I have a two-line family plan with unlimited data on both lines for $72/month plus tax. Plus, ironically, neither Verizon nor Cingular work reliably in the Denver suburb I live in, but Sprint, T-Mo and Nextel all do!)
The closest I could come to matching T-Mo's price was a Sprint SERO plan, but it would've required me to shell out over $400 for phones and activation fees (we both use Windows Mobile phones, so I'd have needed a 6700 and a Q to replace our MDA and Dash) but in return we'd have better coverage (and faster data.)
In the last two years I've only been one place without any T-Mobile (or roaming) coverage (Grand Lake, CO), that had coverage with other carriers. (I've been in a few places, however, mostly National parks, where no carriers had service, at least according to my trusty ancient Nokia 5120 TDMA/analog handheld with manual A/B system selection I carried for emergencies)
And, I've certainly been in many places with lackluster/spotty coverage on T-Mo where other people seemed to have no trouble using their phones.
However, given that mankind has spent 99.999999% of his existence without cellphones, I hardly think having coverage in every single hotel room or tourist trap I vacation in is worth that much more a month to me. I used to use Beyond Wireless TDMA/analog prepaid service (on the aforementioned Nokia 5120) to fill in the gaps in T-Mo coverage, but since T-Mo added 850MHz roaming, I found I only used a couple of minutes on Beyond in all of 2006. Maybe, if I find myself without T-Mo coverage again soon I'll add a Page Plus (CDMA) phone to the repertoire but suspect I'll manage fine without one!
Notan - 20 Apr 2007 20:22 GMT >> Coverage should *always* be your priority. > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > add a Page Plus (CDMA) phone to the repertoire but suspect I'll manage > fine without one! I said "priority," not "your only deciding factor."
Without coverage, everything else is moot.
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Juan Pablo - 24 Apr 2007 22:39 GMT >> Verizon seems to have the best coverage in the Phoenix area. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >____ >Notan !Amen, amigo! That's EXACTLY what it's all about ! ---Juan
SMS - 25 Apr 2007 16:43 GMT >> Verizon seems to have the best coverage in the Phoenix area. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Once you've established that, I think you'll find that all > providers have varying degrees of after-the-sale support. If coverage was everyone's priority then Verizon would have 95% market share.
In fact, there are other priorities that some people have. Some people want a single phone that can roam in much of Europe and Asia, and are willing to give up some U.S. coverage and use a GSM carrier. some people are willing to give up coverage in return for a lower price. Some people are willing to give up voice coverage in return for better data coverage (which helps Sprint at the expense of Cingular).
Notan - 25 Apr 2007 21:57 GMT >>> Verizon seems to have the best coverage in the Phoenix area. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > are willing to give up voice coverage in return for better data coverage > (which helps Sprint at the expense of Cingular). With the exception of your one statement, "... for a lower price," you made my argument for "coverage."
Thanks! <g>
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xPosTech - 22 Apr 2007 09:32 GMT > Verizon seems to have the best coverage in the Phoenix area. > Gary [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> reason I will be switching away from Sprint. >> Just out of curiosity, where are you going that's better? In the aftermath of hurricane Rita my POS8910 got lost. Verizon was kind enough to *give* me a basic Kyo. Insurance was not involved. The Beaumont store said anyone during the evac or after the storm that lost a phone was given a basic phone gratis. I was ten months into a 2 year contract. It didn't affect the NewEvery2 VX8600 I got this January. For $29.
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Juan Pablo - 20 Apr 2007 22:24 GMT >> One VERY nice feature about the GSM phones are their usage >> with a tiny SIM card. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >phones can't be activated (they only allow E911-compliant phones), etc. >This is why they'd never go for a "SIM-type" activation system. Thanks for that updated info. This is not a deal-breaker for my wife and I. We have been with Sprint PCS for many low -complaints years and - so far - will stay with them.
Anytime we hear or read about fellow Sprint customers bitching about "this", "that, and "whatever, we gently remind them to jog on over to the OTHER newsgroups that cater to the OTHER cell phone carriers. Guess what? In overall general terms -- there's no difference - than those overall complaints about Sprint !!
Sprint actually had online ESN switching for several years, at several years ago, but they charged your account an additional 36 bucks for each episode. If you bought a Sprint PCS phone from them, then the online ESN switch-over was free one-time for that particular phone. Several years ago Sprint abandoned their online ESN swapping for some unknown reason.
If some future reason(s) Sprint PCS does tee-us-off royally, then I have made up my mind that we will go with Cingular. Or, are they back to ATT again! Whatever!
So far, as of now, Sprint PCS is still the ONLY USA cell phone carrier that allows FULL SERVICE with ALL their features with ALL phones on a "family plan", ANYWHERE there is Sprint PCS service within the USA. (Yes, their EVDO is still in limited service areas, but IS being expanded as we speak)
---Juan
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