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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Sprint PCS / May 2007Sprint Mobile Broadband vs. Verizon BroadbandAccess
Does anyone have experiences regarding the real-world performance/ coverage differences between Sprint Mobile Broadband and Verizon Broadband Access? Thanks > Does anyone have experiences regarding the real-world performance/ > coverage differences between Sprint Mobile Broadband and Verizon > Broadband Access? > Thanks All I will say is you can't seriously be considering starting a contract with Verison. Their customer service is the worst of the worst. > Does anyone have experiences regarding the real-world performance/ > coverage differences between Sprint Mobile Broadband and Verizon > Broadband Access? > Thanks Maybe not completely representative, but worth a look: http://youtube.com/watch?v=zJAYfGqcUOc > Does anyone have experiences regarding the real-world performance/ > coverage differences between Sprint Mobile Broadband and Verizon > Broadband Access? > Thanks Dunno if this is relevant or not: Durham, NC about 2-3 miles from I-40 - 1. Sprint EVDO Aircard from my employer for laptop picks up data connections fine "most of the time" in my house, which is rather "rf-resistant" (FM radio, over-the-air TV, most cell phones). 2. I bought a Verizon model XV6700 on Ebay, and when I turned it on and activated the cell radio, it barely registered any bars with EVDO icon. I figured maybe it needed the *228 PRL (?) update with activation, did the acivation, and lost the signal several times including when I tried calling back *611 to get the number switched back to my Nokia 6236i. I still activate the cell radio once in a while in case it was a bad sunspot/solar flare spell, but no improvement - the bars come and go, but are mostly gone. Nice wifi PDA anyway (Plan "B" in case this was how it turned out ;-) Real world, but dunno how realistic. ROC >> Does anyone have experiences regarding the real-world performance/ >> coverage differences between Sprint Mobile Broadband and Verizon [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > including when I tried calling back *611 to get the number switched back > to my Nokia 6236i. Does it work anywhere else? Maybe there was a reason it was on ebay? > I still activate the cell radio once in a while in case it was a bad > sunspot/solar flare spell, but no improvement - the bars come and go, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ROC >>> Does anyone have experiences regarding the real-world performance/ >>> coverage differences between Sprint Mobile Broadband and Verizon [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Does it work anywhere else? Maybe there was a reason it was on ebay? Well, it does show full strength when I am at the mall by I-40, but all Vzw phones show that since that spot is a prime cell area. I am not going to experiment with how the 6700 does in a "prime cell area" with an activation/de-activation test since my house is the make-or-break test, and it broke. Weak phones of any type just do not do well in my house - it's fine as a PDA (as much as any PPC can be - Palm PIM functions still beat the heck out of PPC's IMO, but the other PPC functions like IE and email in conjunction with the built-in wifi make up for that for my purposes ;-) Maybe some future AKU can improve receptivity by some miracle of PPC programming... ROC >> I still activate the cell radio once in a while in case it was a bad >> sunspot/solar flare spell, but no improvement - the bars come and go, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> ROC > Does anyone have experiences regarding the real-world performance/ > coverage differences between Sprint Mobile Broadband and Verizon > Broadband Access? Like any radio service, it depends on where you're talking about. I've been on Verizon for a couple of years, and they have excellent EVDO service at my house. Sprint is all but unusable. 9 miles away at my office, Verizon EVDO was unusable, and Sprint was excellent. The coverage maps for both services were pretty accurate in regards to the dead spots. It really just boils down to checking the coverage maps, and picking the company that covers the areas you'll spend most of your time in. - Rich -- Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam. If you have a Sprint Card it will roam on Verizon. You can force it to roaming mode from the menu. I have done this and it works well. It will roam at 1x on Verizon, but at least you can have access to data. >> Does anyone have experiences regarding the real-world performance/ >> coverage differences between Sprint Mobile Broadband and Verizon [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum > immane mittam. Coverage varies significantly by location. You should look at the coverage maps on the respective sites to determine how you'll do where you will be using it. Assuming you will have adequate coverage with either carrier, your most important consideration should be data policies. Verizon advertises "unlimited" but will in fact cut you off it you use "too much" and they specifically prohibit doing anything but web browsing, email, and connecting to corporate systems. They are notorious for enforcing this. Sprint does not have these limitations. Search Google for lengthy discussions on this topic (I don't want to rehash it here), and read the "terms of service" for each carrier carefully. Personally, I wouldn't consider Verizon data for a second. > Does anyone have experiences regarding the real-world performance/ > coverage differences between Sprint Mobile Broadband and Verizon > Broadband Access? > Thanks > Assuming you will have adequate coverage with either carrier, your most > important consideration should be data policies. Verizon advertises > "unlimited" but will in fact cut you off it you use "too much" and they > specifically prohibit doing anything but web browsing, email, and connecting > to corporate systems. They are notorious for enforcing this. To be clear, what they seem to strictly enforce is the 5 GB/month limit, and Sprint might be worth while just to avoid this. Verizon doesn't, however, appear to actually do anything about the application restrictions; I've used mine for a bunch of stuff not in their permitted list without any difficulty or complaint. I'd note that the Verizon data service where I live has in the past been a bit flaky, particularly in the afternoon. It would go numb for 10 or 30 or 40 seconds, delivering no packets, and then suddenly deliver everthing. Here's what a 40 second pause looks like from ping's point-of-view. 64 bytes from 66.1.1.1: icmp_seq=50 ttl=236 time=216.143 ms 64 bytes from 66.1.1.1: icmp_seq=51 ttl=236 time=39988.390 ms 64 bytes from 66.1.1.1: icmp_seq=51 ttl=236 time=40041.284 ms (DUP!) 64 bytes from 66.1.1.1: icmp_seq=52 ttl=236 time=38042.056 ms 64 bytes from 66.1.1.1: icmp_seq=53 ttl=236 time=36042.944 ms [...] 64 bytes from 66.1.1.1: icmp_seq=70 ttl=236 time=2075.783 ms 64 bytes from 66.1.1.1: icmp_seq=71 ttl=236 time=187.830 ms 64 bytes from 66.1.1.1: icmp_seq=72 ttl=236 time=196.765 ms I don't know how it duplicates packets, but it seems to do that a lot. Here's one where it went dead for 12 seconds (pings sent once every 2 seconds) and then delivered a copy of a packet previously received 4 minutes earlier: 64 bytes from 66.1.1.1: icmp_seq=314 ttl=235 time=191.644 ms 64 bytes from 66.1.1.1: icmp_seq=193 ttl=235 time=250118.502 ms (DUP!) 64 bytes from 66.1.1.1: icmp_seq=320 ttl=235 time=177.113 ms Of course the reason I have all this ping data is that the service would drop the connection after being idle for an annoyingly small number of minutes, so I now run the ping in the background to keep it up. I've also had the connection go dead, requiring a disconnect/reconnect to fix, after connect times suspiciously close to exactly an hour, though I haven't had this happen recently. To be fair, a lot of this has gotten better recently. And I live in Silicon Valley where Verizon has a lot of customers but less spectrum than other places, so it is possible some of this was due to load problems which wouldn't occur elsewhere. I have a friend with the Sprint service who hasn't seen as many problems, though he also has leaner coverage and also may not watch for brokenness as carefully as I do. If I had the choice over again I think I might try the Sprint service instead. Recently the Verizon service has been better, though, so I'm hoping the problems might have been temporary. If they come back, however, I guess I can always have my contract terminated by exceeding the 5 GB/month limit, so that can sometimes be an advantage. Dennis Ferguson Dennis, Hey, that's a great post, what with the detailed ping reports. Just underscoring that you're lucky. Verizon *does* have a "not permitted" list, whether they choose to enforce it in any individual case or not ... aren't we all beyond the "ISP as nanny" model? from Verizon, http://b2b.vzw.com/broadband/bba_terms.html : Data Plans and Features [...] may ONLY be used with wireless devices for he following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). These Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uploading, downloading, or streaming of audio or video programming or games; (ii) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing; or (iii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. This means, by way of example only, that checking email, surfing the Internet, downloading legally acquired songs, and/or visiting corporate intranets is permitted, but downloading movies using P2P file-sharing services and/or redirecting television signals for viewing on laptops is prohibited. <<< My last trip to L.A., I was able to watch the Battlestar Galactica season finale live on my Treo 700p by tuning into my PC, which was running Orb. When the bridge melted in San Francisco, I tuned into MSNBC. If I forget a file from my PC, I can use Avvenue to grab it. I often log in to my desktop with the EzRemote remote desktop client. All for $15/month. Without every worrying one iota about whether I'll be "caught" or how many gigabytes I've used. Thank you, Sprint. I <3 U. >> Assuming you will have adequate coverage with either carrier, your most >> important consideration should be data policies. Verizon advertises [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > restrictions; I've used mine for a bunch of stuff not in their > permitted list without any difficulty or complaint. > Just underscoring that you're lucky. Verizon *does* have a "not permitted" > list, whether they choose to enforce it in any individual case or not ... > aren't we all beyond the "ISP as nanny" model? Bill, You are correct, though it isn't like Sprint doesn't have its own set of "do this and we'll cut you off" conditions. They're just less specific about what particular applications they might be imagining: Specific Terms & Restrictions On Using Data Services In addition to the rules for using all of our other Services, unless we identify the Service or Device you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, wireless routers, Data Link, etc.), you can't use our data Services: (1) with server devices or host computer applications, or other systems that drive continuous heavy traffic or data sessions; and (2) as a substitute or backup for private lines or frame relay connections. We reserve the right to limit or suspend any heavy, continuous data usage that adversely impacts our network performance or hinders access to our network. So it is still more interesting to me what the carriers actually enforce, rather than what they could theoretically enforce (both have sufficient lattitude to cut you off for anything). Verizon enforces its 5 GB/month limit but doesn't seem to measure anything else or worry about what you've been doing if you don't exceed the limit. I've not heard of Sprint cutting anyone off yet. Verizon has a hard limit (and is a far bigger liar for calling their service "unlimited"), Sprint's limit is subjective and is as yet, to my knowledge, untested. As always, past performance is not necessarily an indicator of future results. Dennis Ferguson I did extensive reseach on this topic on various RV forums and decided to go with Sprint for 2 reasons: 1. Better technology 2. No limitations I've using Sprint broadband since Sept 2006, and since that time Sprint has added towers all over the country and in my primary location, actually upgraded the tower capabilities so that I don't have any problems viewing YouTube.Com. Tom > Does anyone have experiences regarding the real-world performance/ > coverage differences between Sprint Mobile Broadband and Verizon > Broadband Access? > Thanks These might be useful. http://www.dslreports.com/archive/spcsdns.net http://www.dslreports.com/archive/myvzw.com Dennis Ferguson Thanks for the dslreports. Its not clear from the legend how one should interpret these results. Can anyone summarize the performance differences from these tests Thanks http://www.dslreports.com/archive/spcsdns.net http://www.dslreports.com/archive/myvzw.com > > Does anyone have experiences regarding the real-world performance/ > >coveragedifferences betweenSprintMobileBroadbandandVerizon [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Dennis Ferguson On May 1, 1:59 pm, techman41...@yahoo.com wrote: > Does anyone have experiences regarding the real-world performance/ > coverage differences between Sprint Mobile Broadband and Verizon > Broadband Access? > Thanks Given spcs's implosion of subscribers, Virgin Mobilers should get video soon. > Given spcs's implosion of subscribers, Virgin Mobilers should get > video soon. Holy cr*p, jgrove! That post of yours was actually almost on-topic! Are you feeling ok?  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Given spcs's implosion of subscribers, Virgin Mobilers should get >> video soon. > > Holy cr*p, jgrove! That post of yours was actually almost on-topic! Are > you feeling ok? Someone got his password and is posing as him. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. |
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