Mogul: Phone as Modem via Bluetooth

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Roger 2008 - 16 Dec 2007 23:02 GMT

I can easily get the "Phone as Modem" to work via USB but I can not get the
"Phone as Modem" to work via Bluetooth.

I was informed today that Sprint has disabled that feature.

Any input?

TIA

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Todd Wade - 18 Dec 2007 02:04 GMT

> I can easily get the "Phone as Modem" to work via USB but I can not get the
> "Phone as Modem" to work via Bluetooth.
>
> I was informed today that Sprint has disabled that feature.
>
> Any input?

I've only used the USB cable because it is faster.

Page 137 of the users guide for the phone give instructions on how to
use the phone-as-modem over bluetooth, so I doubt that it is disabled
(http://www.sprint.com/cdma/assets/pdfs/phone_guides/htc/
ppc_6800_ug.pdf)

Which part of the instructions can you not get to work? What happened
when you called customer support or stopped in a store and showed them
the step in the user's guide that isn't working on your phone?

Todd W.

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Roger 2008 - 21 Dec 2007 19:35 GMT

> > I can easily get the "Phone as Modem" to work via USB but I can not get the
> > "Phone as Modem" to work via Bluetooth.
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> Todd W.

Thanks for the link and I'm actually trying to go phone to phone via
Bluetooth. I can get it to work to the Sprint Mogul but I can not get it to
work from the Sprint Mogul.

I followed instructions on a Microsoft website and the Sprint Mogul just
doesn't allow you to use any of it's features via Bluetooth. It is a pain
in the butt and I asked someone that works for Sprint to check into it for
me.

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Habichuelacondulce@gmail.com - 12 Jan 2008 20:49 GMT

> > > I can easily get the "Phone as Modem" to work via USB but I can not get
> the
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Roger 2008 - 13 Jan 2008 13:24 GMT

> "Todd Wade" <waveri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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> Thanks for the link and I'm actually trying to go phone to phone via
> Bluetooth. I can get it to work to the Sprint Mogul but I can not get it

> work from the Sprint Mogul.
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I was able to connect via bluetooth , make sure that your settings on
the phone are set " make this device visible to other devices" under
the bluetooth settings

also on the phone go to programs then internet sharings and make sure
thta you have bluetooth under pc connection

then on your computer go the bluetooth wizard and set it to search for
a device you should see ur phone come up as a new network connection
or something like that
make sure your Wirelless connection is disable first as well so youll
know that you are connected with Bluetooth not wifi

then double clikc on the new network connection and should connect
but also go to ie on the phone so that it dials out and connect first
to the internet

-- Reply below ---------------------

Glad to hear the bluetooth internet worked for somebody and I'll try it
again after I upgrade my ROM. BTW my ROM date found under
Settings->System->Device Information 06/14/07.

FYI I ended up sharing the internet on my Mogul via WiFi instead of
Bluetooth with a program called WMWiFiRouter.

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Roger 2008 - 09 Mar 2008 18:15 GMT

> work from the Sprint Mogul.
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I was able to connect via bluetooth , make sure that your settings on
the phone are set " make this device visible to other devices" under
the bluetooth settings

also on the phone go to programs then internet sharings and make sure
thta you have bluetooth under pc connection

then on your computer go the bluetooth wizard and set it to search for
a device you should see ur phone come up as a new network connection
or something like that
make sure your Wirelless connection is disable first as well so youll
know that you are connected with Bluetooth not wifi

then double clikc on the new network connection and should connect
but also go to ie on the phone so that it dials out and connect first
to the internet

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After buying the hardware below I got "Phone as Modem" to work via Bluetooth
to a laptop with exactly what you posted above.
http://us.kensington.com/html/14409.html

I have been testing it with "Slingplayer" on my laptop found at:
http://slingmedia.com

For some reason it doesn't always stay connected so you have to hit connect
on the phone first and then hit "Connect" in the Bluetooth Manager to get
things going again.

FYI it doesn't seem to run as fast as a USB connection and the site I use to
verify the speed difference is:
http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed

Thanks again for your input.

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Michael N. Paris - 10 Mar 2008 23:15 GMT

I have done it BT for teethering with PDANET, only reason I don't do in
anymore is to keep the phone somewhat charged, it will drain your battery
down real fast.

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William H. Bowen - 12 Mar 2008 20:37 GMT

>I have done it BT for teethering with PDANET, only reason I don't do in
>anymore is to keep the phone somewhat charged, it will drain your battery
>down real fast.

Michael,

I feel your pain on that issue! Running my Palm 755P in PAM mode,
even using USB, sucks that battery down quite quickly. Same goes for
listening to streaming media.

Regards,
Bill Bowen
Sacramento, CA.

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Roger 2008 - 13 Mar 2008 05:15 GMT

> I have done it BT for teethering with PDANET, only reason I don't do in
> anymore is to keep the phone somewhat charged, it will drain your battery
> down real fast.

Thanks for the info and you sold me on a copy of PDANET.

Now I can use my Mogul for DUN for another hand held device.

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Michael N. Paris - 13 Mar 2008 13:30 GMT

> Thanks for the info and you sold me on a copy of PDANET.
>
> Now I can use my Mogul for DUN for another hand held device.

It is worth every penny, and I do like to reward authors of good quality
shareware.

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Roger 2008 - 13 Mar 2008 23:20 GMT

> > Thanks for the info and you sold me on a copy of PDANET.
> >
> > Now I can use my Mogul for DUN for another hand held device.
> >
> It is worth every penny, and I do like to reward authors of good quality
> shareware.

Once again, thanks for the info.

Yes it is "good quality shareware" but I've seen Pocket PCs that come out of
the box with the ability to use them as a BT DUN so PDANET isn't even
necessary on those devices. I don't know why that seems to have been
changed in Windows Mobile.

BTW I tried USBmodem from http://www.mobile-stream.com/usbmodem_wm.html a
while back and it didn't work as advertised.

I tried it again after installing PDANET and it worked but after running
USBmodem the only way I could get PDANET to work again was to clear memory
and install everything again. Ugh.

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Todd Allcock - 13 Mar 2008 23:44 GMT

>> > Thanks for the info and you sold me on a copy of PDANET.
>> >
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> necessary on those devices. I don't know why that seems to have been
> changed in Windows Mobile.

Because WM6 now uses PAN (Personal Area Network) instead of DUN. There
should be an app called "Internet Sharing" on the device.

The advantage of PAN is any idiot can use it- you fire up Internet Sharing
with the device pluged into to USB (or bluetooth) and the phone acts like a
network adapter to connect you to the internet (it acts more like a cellular
datacard than a modem.)

The disadvantages of PAN are, a) most other mobile devices can't use it, so
you can't hook up a PPC to a WM6 phone, for example, and b) the PC
connecting to the device must have Activesync or WMDC installed (because the
drivers are integrated into the sync software.)

The joys of Windows Mobile upgrades- two steps forward, one step back. ;-)

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Roger 2008 - 14 Mar 2008 00:51 GMT

> >> > Thanks for the info and you sold me on a copy of PDANET.
> >> >
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> The joys of Windows Mobile upgrades- two steps forward, one step back. ;-)

Exactly and I especially agree with your "disadvantages" paragraph since I'm
thinking of getting an HP IPAQ 211 without it's own internet.

BTW I just looked up "BT DUN" on the internet and found: "Why did we remove
Bluetooth DUN?".
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2007/04/17/why-did-we-remove-bluetoo
th-dun.aspx

It makes it look like they are trying to blame the OEMs for removing BT DUN.
Either way, it is not very fun trying to work around things that have
changed.

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Todd Allcock - 14 Mar 2008 03:25 GMT

>> The disadvantages of PAN are, a) most other mobile devices can't use it,
>> so you can't hook up a PPC to a WM6 phone, for example, and b) the PC
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> Either way, it is not very fun trying to work around things that have
> changed.

I almost added "PAN is easier for wireless carriers to disable" under
"advantages" (with tongue planted firmly in cheek!) Any carrier that wants
to disallow tethering external devices now simply has to remove the Internet
Sharing applet, rather than try to cripple the bluetooth stack or functions,
so it has major advantages over BT DUN for wireless OEMs. (Ironically, IR
DUN generally still works fine, however, if you can leave both devices
aligned on a desk.)

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Roger 2008 - 14 Mar 2008 14:00 GMT

> >> The disadvantages of PAN are, a) most other mobile devices can't use it,
> >> so you can't hook up a PPC to a WM6 phone, for example, and b) the PC
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> > remove
> > Bluetooth DUN?".

http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2007/04/17/why-did-we-remove-bluetoo
th-dun.aspx

> > It makes it look like they are trying to blame the OEMs for removing BT
> > DUN.
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> DUN generally still works fine, however, if you can leave both devices
> aligned on a desk.)

I used to use the IR port for transfering small files until I found out just
recently I could use BT for the same thing.

BTW you wouldn't want the Sprint "Touch" because it doesn't have an IR port
or WiFi for that matter.

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Todd Allcock - 14 Mar 2008 20:13 GMT

> I used to use the IR port for transfering small files until I found out
> just
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> port
> or WiFi for that matter.

I'll add those to the (long) list of why I don't want a Sprint touch! ;-)

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DTC - 14 Mar 2008 02:51 GMT

> The joys of Windows Mobile upgrades- two steps forward, one step back. ;-)

Old news...remember the MS DOS upgrade from 3 to 4? HAH HAH HAH

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Todd Wade - 23 Mar 2008 00:40 GMT

On Mar 13, 6:44 pm, "Todd Allcock" <eleccon...@AmericaOnLine.com>
wrote:

> Because WM6 now uses PAN (Personal Area Network) instead of DUN. There
> should be an app called "Internet Sharing" on the device.
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> The joys of Windows Mobile upgrades- two steps forward, one step back. ;-)

There is a thread on ppcgeeks.com that has the WModem application and
drivers all bundled up:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=11146

Reading through it sounds a bit confusing but all I had to do after
downloading the zip file was the "Installing the Missing Files"
section and it worked just fine.

This way you can use the device as a generic modem instead of having
to install ActiveSync and avoid the problems/unwantedness that
accompany it.

Todd W.

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Roger 2008 - 31 Mar 2008 20:12 GMT

> On Mar 13, 6:44 pm, "Todd Allcock" <eleccon...@AmericaOnLine.com>
> wrote:
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> Todd W.

Many Thanks for that link!

I know you posted a few days ago but I finally got around to trying a file
in that "zip file" myself today.

Turns out all I needed to do was install the CAB file out of the directory
named "Bluetooth DialUp Access" and do a soft reset.

The cool thing about that BT DUN is I don't have the same problems I had
with PDANET where I have to restart devices after a connection or where I
have to have a laptop to install it in the first place.

I know not everybody wants or needs BT DUN because the "Internet Sharing"
via "Bluetooth PAN" will work in most cases, but that isn't me so Thanks
again.

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