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William Hershman - 31 Dec 2007 02:43 GMT One of the phones on my plan works just fine for outgoing calls, and for outgoing and incoming text. But incoming calls go straight to some T-Mibile voice mail system. Just started happening Dec 16th, I've called Sprint (*2) every day since and they say that they are "still processing " this problem.
Anyone got an idea what I can do at this point? It's getting very old.
Steve Sobol - 31 Dec 2007 04:32 GMT > One of the phones on my plan works just fine for outgoing calls, and for > outgoing and incoming text. But incoming calls go straight to some T-Mibile > voice mail system. Just started happening Dec 16th, I've called Sprint > (*2) every day since and they say that they are "still processing " this > problem. Have you checked the call forwarding settings on your phone? Maybe have Sprint look at your call forwarding settings in the system?
> Anyone got an idea what I can do at this point? It's getting very old. I find it rather odd that you'd be going to a T-Mobile voice mail system from a Sprint phone.
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Tim Smith - 01 Jan 2008 04:28 GMT > > Anyone got an idea what I can do at this point? It's getting very old. > > I find it rather odd that you'd be going to a T-Mobile voice mail system > from a Sprint phone. What if his number somehow got ported to T-Mobile? That would explain why incoming callers get a T-Mobile voice system, wouldn't it?
If Sprint still thinks they have the number, they would not shut off service on his phone, so he'd still be able to make outgoing calls and send text messages, wouldn't he?
(That would not explain why incoming text messages, work, though...)
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Ron - 31 Dec 2007 10:28 GMT >One of the phones on my plan works just fine for outgoing calls, and for >outgoing and incoming text. But incoming calls go straight to some T-Mibile [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Anyone got an idea what I can do at this point? It's getting very old. Call up Executive Services in Fort Worth and threaten to sue them for losing "Valuable" voice mail. Sounds like they screwed up a number port.
Google Executive Services for the 817 direct dial number.
CozmicDebris - 31 Dec 2007 12:52 GMT >>One of the phones on my plan works just fine for outgoing calls, and >>for outgoing and incoming text. But incoming calls go straight to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > losing "Valuable" voice mail. Sounds like they screwed up a number > port. That's the answer- clog up the courts with frivolous lawsuits. Moron.
William Hershman - 31 Dec 2007 13:26 GMT >>>One of the phones on my plan works just fine for outgoing calls, and >>>for outgoing and incoming text. But incoming calls go straight to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That's the answer- clog up the courts with frivolous lawsuits. Moron. You know, you could make better money as a Sprint tech support rep, so don't you waste your time on me. Don't waste it, don't waste your time on me.
Steve Sobol - 31 Dec 2007 16:25 GMT > You know, you could make better money as a Sprint tech support rep, so don't > you waste your time on me. Don't waste it, don't waste your time on me. How about taking my advice from yesterday? By the way, I think threatening a lawsuit is a stupid idea too.
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William Hershman - 31 Dec 2007 19:25 GMT >> You know, you could make better money as a Sprint tech support rep, so >> don't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > How about taking my advice from yesterday? By the way, I think threatening > a lawsuit is a stupid idea too. It's not forwarding. Sprint says they know exactly what the problem is but they cannot, or most likely WILL not, fix it. I believe I have cause to cancel without an ETF.
William Hershman - 31 Dec 2007 22:12 GMT >>> You know, you could make better money as a Sprint tech support rep, so >>> don't [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > but they cannot, or most likely WILL not, fix it. > I believe I have cause to cancel without an ETF. On what would have been my final call, the problem has been resolved.
Jar-Jar Binks - 01 Jan 2008 00:22 GMT You cannot cancel without paying the ETF. That is the contract that you agreed to with Sprint.
>>>> You know, you could make better money as a Sprint tech support rep, so >>>> don't [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > On what would have been my final call, the problem has been resolved. CozmicDebris - 01 Jan 2008 00:36 GMT > You cannot cancel without paying the ETF. That is the contract that > you agreed to with Sprint. If they don't provide the level of service agreed to inthat contract, it is reason for cancellation without penalty.
The ability to recieve incoming calls would be a part of that contracted service. If you can't recieve calls, Sprint has broken the terms of the contract.
Quit being such a fanboi.
Jar-Jar Binks - 01 Jan 2008 01:11 GMT I believe that the correct term is "shill" :-) You should check the fine print of the contract to ensure that the contract says that they guarantee that you will be able to make and receive calls. If not, then you just have to pay the ETF and move-on.
Happy New Year to You,
Jar-Jar (your favorite Star Wars Character)
>> You cannot cancel without paying the ETF. That is the contract that >> you agreed to with Sprint. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Quit being such a fanboi. Steve Sobol - 01 Jan 2008 01:20 GMT > I believe that the correct term is "shill" :-) You should check the fine > print of the contract to ensure that the contract says that they guarantee > that you will be able to make and receive calls. If not, then you just have > to pay the ETF and move-on. If you can't EVER make or receive calls, you've got a case. If you only fail to make or receive calls in certain places, you're screwed as no carrier guarantees coverage everywhere.
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CozmicDebris - 01 Jan 2008 01:22 GMT > I believe that the correct term is "shill" Based on your response below, I'm thinking the correct term is "idiot."
> :-) You should check the > fine print of the contract to ensure that the contract says that they > guarantee that you will be able to make and receive calls. If not, > then you just have to pay the ETF and move-on. I'm well aware of the terms of the contract. Surely more knowledgeable than a call center employee, Jerk-Jerk.
Not being able to receive calls due to a problem identified to Sprint that is clearly not the fault of the user is grounds for cancellation of the contract.
> Happy New Year to You, > > Jar-Jar > (your favorite Star Wars Character) Not even top 10
>>> You cannot cancel without paying the ETF. That is the contract that >>> you agreed to with Sprint. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> Quit being such a fanboi. Paul Miner - 01 Jan 2008 01:43 GMT >Happy New Year to You, > >Jar-Jar >(your favorite Star Wars Character) Mij, Jar-Jar, it's all the same.
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Steve Sobol - 01 Jan 2008 01:19 GMT > You cannot cancel without paying the ETF. That is the contract that you > agreed to with Sprint. Absolutely wrong. For example, they will let you go without ETF if you move to an area without Sprint coverage; my brother-in-law did this when he moved up north of Edwards AFB, where Sprint doesn't have a network (California City, Kern County). Also, if they can't fix the problem, and can't provide service that the OP was paying for, the OP is likely to have a pretty good court case in the event that Sprint refuses to let him cancel penalty-free.
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William Hershman - 01 Jan 2008 02:49 GMT >> You cannot cancel without paying the ETF. That is the contract that you >> agreed to with Sprint. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > court case in the event that Sprint refuses to let him cancel > penalty-free. It's OK. The way it all unfolded, as of now I think the problem is resolved. But I also think that if they fail to perform as specified in the contract, they cannot compel me to perform either.
Steve Sobol - 01 Jan 2008 04:42 GMT > It's OK. The way it all unfolded, as of now I think the problem is > resolved. But I also think that if they fail to perform as specified in > the contract, they cannot compel me to perform either. I think you really have to look at it on a case-by-case basis. Obviously, the carrier will write the contract to be favorable to them, not you. In your case, I think you might have been able to successfully fight the ETF. In other cases, maybe not.
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DTC - 01 Jan 2008 06:55 GMT > Absolutely wrong. For example, they will let you go without ETF if you move > to an area without Sprint coverage; my brother-in-law did this when he moved > up north of Edwards AFB, where Sprint doesn't have a network (California > City, Kern County). I lost a good part of my needed coverage after the Sprint/Nextel deal in summer/fall of '05. They let me out of the contract without an ETF.
newman - 01 Jan 2008 17:13 GMT A question.
If you decide to terminate service with Sprint (assuming you have a good reason) and they bill you for the ETF, what happens if you refuse to pay the ETF?
What can Sprint do, other than try to harass you and possibly put a collection agency on you?
One of the phones on my plan works just fine for outgoing calls, and for outgoing and incoming text. But incoming calls go straight to some T-Mibile voice mail system. Just started happening Dec 16th, I've called Sprint (*2) every day since and they say that they are "still processing " this problem.
Anyone got an idea what I can do at this point? It's getting very old.
Steve Sobol - 01 Jan 2008 18:10 GMT > A question. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What can Sprint do, other than try to harass you and possibly put a > collection agency on you? Screw up your credit, and possibly sue (and most likely win).
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Phillip Devoll - 03 Jan 2008 02:10 GMT > One of the phones on my plan works just fine for outgoing calls, and for > outgoing and incoming text. But incoming calls go straight to some [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Anyone got an idea what I can do at this point? It's getting very old. So what happened?
William Hershman - 03 Jan 2008 14:58 GMT >> One of the phones on my plan works just fine for outgoing calls, and for >> outgoing and incoming text. But incoming calls go straight to some [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > So what happened? Good question. I apologize for not following-up on my own. Thanks for reminding me. Here's what happened: Sprint gave me a new phone number. Not my top choice for solutions, but it might be ok, because I figured out how to get into the t-mobile voice mail thing and I changed the outgoing message to one that advises callers of the new number. How long that will last, I dunno.
I guess its ok, but if I had $ tied up in business cards and stationary and such, I'd be pretty pissed.
Technologically what happened? I have no idea.
jgrove24@hotmail.com - 05 Jan 2008 18:05 GMT > >> One of the phones on my plan works just fine for outgoing calls, and for > >> outgoing and incoming text. But incoming calls go straight to some [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Technologically what happened? I have no idea. Outsourced equipment R&D to Mao... get used to it...JG
Dennis Ferguson - 05 Jan 2008 19:24 GMT >>> One of the phones on my plan works just fine for outgoing calls, and for >>> outgoing and incoming text. But incoming calls go straight to some [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Technologically what happened? I have no idea. Go here
http://www.telcodata.us/telcodata/telco
and type in the first 6 digits of the number to see who it belongs to. If it is a T-Mobile number then Sprint probably released it back to T-Mobile, which is what happens to a ported-in number when the customer leaves without porting it out, even though you were still using the number.
If it is a Sprint number, however, the previous holder of the number probably ported it out to T-Mobile but Sprint's systems instead listed it as free and reassigned it to you.
In either case Sprint probably made a mistake related to number porting (if it was someone else's mistake you would have got the number back). This is perfectly consistent with my experience with Sprint's billing and administrative systems.
Dennis Ferguson
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