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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Sprint PCS / May 2008Standalone cellular modems?
What is available from Sprint (if anything) in the form of a standalone cellular modem that can have a "always on" fixed IP address for connection to an Ethernet device? What about non-Sprint solutions? > What is available from Sprint (if anything) in the form of a > standalone cellular modem that can have a "always on" fixed IP address > for connection to an Ethernet device? > > What about non-Sprint solutions? There are routers that take cellular access cards. > What is available from Sprint (if anything) in the form of a > standalone cellular modem that can have a "always on" fixed IP address > for connection to an Ethernet device? I use the Dlink DIR-450 with the DynDNS for a virtual static IP. I forget how much they want for a hard static IP, but it was very expensive. DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in news:j9yNj.4424$iK6.601 @nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com: > I use the Dlink DIR-450 with the DynDNS for a virtual > static IP. I forget how much they want for a hard static > IP, but it was very expensive. I use the KR1 by Kyocera. Works fine but it doesn't support the (Sprint) Sierra cards at all. I use mine with a Novatel U720 and a Novatel S720 with good results. > DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in news:j9yNj.4424$iK6.601 > @nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the (Sprint) Sierra cards at all. I use mine with a Novatel > U720 and a Novatel S720 with good results. I had to install an update patch for my Pantech card. In a message about "Re: Standalone cellular modems?", DTC wrote: >> I use the KR1 by Kyocera. Works fine but it doesn't support >> the (Sprint) Sierra cards at all. I use mine with a Novatel >> U720 and a Novatel S720 with good results. > > I had to install an update patch for my Pantech card. Yep, I think the latest firmware is .10 or something like that. >What is available from Sprint (if anything) in the form of a >standalone cellular modem that can have a "always on" fixed IP address >for connection to an Ethernet device? Buy a cheap used laptop. Stick an air card into it. Set it for internet connection sharing. >What about non-Sprint solutions? >> What is available from Sprint (if anything) in the form of a >> standalone cellular modem that can have a "always on" fixed IP address >> for connection to an Ethernet device? > > Buy a cheap used laptop. Stick an air card into it. Set it for > internet connection sharing. That would work also, but with the stand alone DLink you don't have all the problems associated with a laptop - power, over heating, etc. >>> What is available from Sprint (if anything) in the form of a >>> standalone cellular modem that can have a "always on" fixed IP address >>> for connection to an Ethernet device? >> >> Buy a cheap used laptop. Stick an air card into it. Set it for >> internet connection sharing. >That would work also, but with the stand alone DLink you don't have >all the problems associated with a laptop - power, over heating, etc. Where did you get the insane notion that a laptop would consume a ton of power and overheat doing the very mild task of routing ethernet packets? Did you fail to notice the feature of cpu throttling that has been around for the last three generations of CPUs? >>>> What is available from Sprint (if anything) in the form of a >>>> standalone cellular modem that can have a "always on" fixed IP address [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Did you fail to notice the feature of cpu throttling that has been around for > the last three generations of CPUs? I'll clarify that in terms of power supply and ambient operating temps. The DLink can run off a 12 volt DC power supply and that can lend itself 12 volt mobile operation or other solar battery configurations. Laptop runs off 120 VAC with a downverter to deliver 14 to 24 volts depending on the laptop model. Thats not going to be easy running directly off a 12 volt battery. And not as efficient as direct 12 volt drive. DLink rated at 130 degrees. Would you run a laptop that hot? Not that you would want to run anything over 110 degrees in the summer. DLink has no moving parts. Laptop has a fan. Dlink was dropped of an eight foot ladder. Could a cheap laptop survive that drop? >>>>> What is available from Sprint (if anything) in the form of a >>>>> standalone cellular modem that can have a "always on" fixed IP address [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> Did you fail to notice the feature of cpu throttling that has been around for >> the last three generations of CPUs? >I'll clarify that in terms of power supply and ambient operating temps. >The DLink can run off a 12 volt DC power supply and that can lend itself >12 volt mobile operation or other solar battery configurations. >Laptop runs off 120 VAC with a downverter to deliver 14 to 24 volts >depending on the laptop model. Thats not going to be easy running >directly off a 12 volt battery. And not as efficient as direct 12 volt >drive. I'll keep that mind next time I live out of a car. > I'll keep that mind next time I live out of a car. Or if you ever get a job outside of a cubicle and need to be truly mobile. > > I'll keep that mind next time I live out of a car. > > Or if you ever get a job outside of a cubicle and need to > be truly mobile. Here is a neat device that lets you use certain items made by Sprint for an Access Point to the internet. And it isn't just wireless access, you get one Ethernet connection also. http://cradlepoint.com/ I messed with a cradlepoint before it was compatible with a Sprint Touch and after looking at their site today, I see that things have changed so I'll have to see if I can try it again. > > > I'll keep that mind next time I live out of a car. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > after looking at their site today, I see that things have changed so I'll > have to see if I can try it again. I got the CTR350 and use it with my Mogul: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UO18FC Great for hotels and the camp site. Todd W. > "DTC" <m...@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > after looking at their site today, I see that things have changed so I'll > have to see if I can try it again. I got the CTR350 and use it with my Mogul: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UO18FC Great for hotels and the camp site. Todd W. -------------------- I know someone with a CTR350 and Saturday we upgraded his CTR350 to the latest software. I hooked up my Mogul to it and set up Internet Sharing for USB and then tapped connect. It looked like it was working but we could not get to the internet. Any ideas? TIZ >> "DTC" <m...@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > TIZ >> "DTC" <m...@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > TIZ Have you read Cradlepoint's notes about Windows Mobile devices? "(2) The user experience with devices running Windows Mobile is less robust than other phones and modems. Windows Mobile devices connected to either a PC or a CradlePoint router have exhibited erratic behavior while using data sharing capabilities. Issues include frequent disconnects for no apparent reason and remedies entail frequent rebooting the phone and or removing the phone's battery. This problem is not something that can be resolved by CradlePoint Technology and will need to be addressed by the phone manufacturer. Please refer to our FAQ section as well as our release notes." http://www.cradlepoint.com/techsupport/ctr350support.php  SignatureDutch Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m connected to PCLinuxOS 2008 via a Cradlepoint CTR-350 > > "Todd Wade" <waveright@gmail.com> wrote in message news:4d695134-8074-4e24-8db8-6cce82d4102d@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > >> "DTC" <m...@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > http://www.cradlepoint.com/techsupport/ctr350support.php Yes I saw that and I wonder who is up to something. FYI I have noticed that if I connect my Mogul to a laptop with a USB cable I might have to restart the Slingplayer on my laptop a few times to watch an hour long show. >>> "Todd Wade" <waveright@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Yes I saw that and I wonder who is up to something. Yep. It does look like some unresolved Windows bugs might be the culprit though. > FYI I have noticed that if I connect my Mogul to a laptop with a USB cable I > might have to restart the Slingplayer on my laptop a few times to watch an > hour long show. I haven't played with Slingplayer yet, so I can't say much there... SignatureDutch > >> Have you read Cradlepoint's notes about Windows Mobile devices? > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Yep. It does look like some unresolved Windows bugs might be the culprit > though. I think there is something else wrong because I've seen one WM6 PPC where I can use it for Bluetooth PAN and it never stops my Slingplayer. The Bluetooth PAN on the other WM6 PPC is much slower than the BT PAN on the Mogul but when I setup the Slingplayer to stream video at 1 FPS the speed of the two PPCs doesn't matter. All that matters then is the Slingplayer still quits if I'm getting BT PAN from the Mogul. > > FYI I have noticed that if I connect my Mogul to a laptop with a USB cable I > > might have to restart the Slingplayer on my laptop a few times to watch an > > hour long show. > > I haven't played with Slingplayer yet, so I can't say much there... I can use the Slingplayer on the Mogul itself without any problems and it looks sort of crummy when used in portrait mode but in landscape mode the quality surprises people. >>>> Have you read Cradlepoint's notes about Windows Mobile devices? [...] >>>> http://www.cradlepoint.com/techsupport/ctr350support.php >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > looks sort of crummy when used in portrait mode but in landscape mode the > quality surprises people. Hmmmm, since I don't have a Slingplayer or a Mogul, I wouldn't know where to begin troubleshooting that one... SignatureDutch Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008 - - - - > Hmmmm, since I don't have a Slingplayer or a Mogul, I wouldn't know > where to begin troubleshooting that one... You can forget about the "Slingplayer" because I've streamed audio from the following site and my Mogul still fails in time. http://www.thestreamcenter.com/pda/ I'm starting to wonder if Sprint builds something into their phones so people can't use so much bandwidth. > - - - - >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm starting to wonder if Sprint builds something into their phones so > people can't use so much bandwidth. I've streamed numerous videos through my V3m's data plan with no apparent throttling. Even downloading 650MB ISO's doesn't seem to bother the speed unless I'm on a particularly busy tower at the time. SignatureDutch Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008 > > - - - - > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > apparent throttling. Even downloading 650MB ISO's doesn't seem to bother > the speed unless I'm on a particularly busy tower at the time. OK. Then I'm always on a "busy tower" because I can't seem to get streaming video or streaming audio from the URL above to last more than 15 minutes anymore. FYI I have seen streaming video via Bluetooth work for over an hour once but then I had to hit the reset button on my Mogul to get that connection working again. >>> - - - - >>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > then I had to hit the reset button on my Mogul to get that connection > working again. I haven't seen any other reports of Sprint throttling except for an occasional "slow" complaint that seem to be more tower or time of day related, so I wonder if your problem comes back to the Windows OS issues that Cradlepoint mentioned... SignatureDutch Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008 --- > I wonder if your problem comes back to the Windows OS issues > that Cradlepoint mentioned... I would think that too if every WM6 device I know of had the same problem but they don't. Today I setup my Mogul to use BT DUN for the internet instead of Sprint for the internet and the Slingplayer on my Mogul kept working. I stopped the test at just over 2 hours but it looks like it could easily run the Slingplayer on the Mogul all night if I stayed in one location. True, the updates on the video were not very fast since I was using a slower internet than Sprint has but I was more interested in seeing if it would keep working and it did. > --- >> I wonder if your problem comes back to the Windows OS issues [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > internet than Sprint has but I was more interested in seeing if it would > keep working and it did. Well, that does seem to narrow it down to something related to the way the Sprint network operates... SignatureDutch Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008 > > --- > >> I wonder if your problem comes back to the Windows OS issues [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Well, that does seem to narrow it down to something related to the way > the Sprint network operates... You will get a kick out of this. Just when I found out how to keep Slingplayer Mobile running and running and running Slingmedia releases a new version of their software that doesn't like networks below 120k and they basically come right out and tell you that.. So now I have two problems. 1. If I upgrade to the new version and run it with an EDGE network then their new version shuts me down in about 15 minutes. 2. If I don't upgrade, so I can use a network that runs at 100k I'll be forever hounded by the message telling me to upgrade whenever I start the slingplayer. Needless to say I'm pissed and sent them an e-mail stating the two issues above. >>> --- >>>> I wonder if your problem comes back to the Windows OS issues [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Needless to say I'm pissed and sent them an e-mail stating the two issues > above. Hmmm, maybe the cable broadband folks are bribing them... :-) SignatureDutch Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008 > >>> --- > >>>> I wonder if your problem comes back to the Windows OS issues [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Hmmm, maybe the cable broadband folks are bribing them... :-) So far I've received 2 e-mails from Slingmedia and their last one states: >unfortunately, there is no way for us to low > the network to 100k for the 1.6 since the minimum is 120k to stream and > connect properly and as tech support department we have no option to > make it lower. But the issue is version 1.5 works with networks slightly below 100k so why can't version 1.6 keep working with networks slightly below 100k? I wouldn't care if I had to slow down the video updates below 1 FPS to maintain the audio portion. All they need to do is allow a Video FPS selection of .5. where ".5" would mean 1 Frame every 2 seconds. How hard could that be? [...] >> Hmmm, maybe the cable broadband folks are bribing them... :-) > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > All they need to do is allow a Video FPS selection of .5. where ".5" would > mean 1 Frame every 2 seconds. How hard could that be? Well, you've convinced me I don't want Slingbox... SignatureDutch Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008 > But the issue is version 1.5 works with networks slightly below 100k so why > can't version 1.6 keep working with networks slightly below 100k? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > All they need to do is allow a Video FPS selection of .5. where ".5" would > mean 1 Frame every 2 seconds. How hard could that be? Probably easy, but if I might play Devil's Advocate, I see two issues- first, while you (or I) might find that acceptable, many wouldn't, and would consider it "broken." Secondly, Sling might fear people would get the idea that that was what the product typically looked/worked like if others saw you using it in that way. Remeber those ancient Zenith mechanical TV remotes that worked when the buttons whacked metal rods (essentially tuning forks) that produced ultrasonic tones? I once read an article written by the guy who invented it. He explained that his team, told to produce a remote control for Zenith TVs, created a variety of prototypes to show the head honchos, including a primitive infrared remote (basically an infrared "flashlight" you aimed at the four different corners of the set to perform the four different functions- channel up/down and volume up/down.) Management rejected all of the designs except the mechanical clicker because it was the only one that didn't use batteries- they feared that consumers would think their new expensive Zenith TV was broken the first time the remote batteries died. Similarly, I think Sling is probably "protecting" users from thinking the product is crap, by blocking scenarios with subpar performance. While I personally don't agree with that thinking, I do understand it. > > But the issue is version 1.5 works with networks slightly below 100k so > why [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > product is crap, by blocking scenarios with subpar performance. While I > personally don't agree with that thinking, I do understand it. I see your point since the video on networks below 120k is pretty sad and not something you would want to show a perspective buyer. But after using it in "Audio Only" mode a few times I realized I didn't have to turn the video completely off and that was when I started to experiment with crummy video. As for those "Upgrade" messages I used to get. I haven't seen them since I told the Slingplayer Mobile to "Remind me Later." It looks like there might be a minor bug in their software where it works the opposite of what you would think. I'll know more in a few days but for now I haven't seen an "Upgrade" message since. > Management >> rejected all of the designs except the mechanical clicker because it was >> the only one that didn't use batteries- they feared that consumers would >> think their new expensive Zenith TV was broken the first time the remote >> batteries died. But, alas, management didn't have enough brains to realize the tags around the dog's neck were gonna change the damned channel every time Fido scratched his ears......a true story, I kid you not! > > Management > > rejected all of the designs except the mechanical clicker because it was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the dog's neck were gonna change the damned channel every time Fido > scratched his ears......a true story, I kid you not! Yeah, we could change channels by jangling my dad's car keys! Sadly that was often more entertaining than what was available on any of the eight channels... ;-) Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:fvibv6$f74$1 @aioe.org: > Sadly that was often more entertaining than what was available on any of > the eight channels... ;-) WHOA! Big City boy! We got ONE snowy picture from WSYR, Channel 3, Syracuse, NY and a tiny hint of something too snowy to watch with no audio from WHEN, Channel 8 I think it was, in Rochester, NY..... This was from a dual conical stack VHF antenna at 90 feet! The whole town spent night after night crowded into my father's tiny living room watching the only Raytheon 5" TV set anyone had ever seen.....1949 to 52, somewhere in there. I was a tiny boy...well, never really "tiny"...(c; > Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:fvibv6$f74$1 > @aioe.org: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > This was from a dual conical stack VHF antenna at 90 feet! Yep, I grew up in 70's in a suburb of Providence, RI. With a typical rooftop antenna (and the satisfying "cl-clunk, cl-clunk, cl-clunk" of the rotator!) we could pickup Providence's four stations and most of Boston's six very well. On days of freak atmospheric cooperation, we could get Hartford, CT's CBS affiliate, if conditions were _just_ right. (Once in a blue moon they'd be clear as a Providence station, most days you couldn't tell them from the snow on unused channels!) > Yep, I grew up in 70's in a suburb of Providence, RI. With a typical > rooftop antenna (and the satisfying "cl-clunk, cl-clunk, cl-clunk" of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > right. (Once in a blue moon they'd be clear as a Providence station, > most days you couldn't tell them from the snow on unused channels!) By the early 60's, our little town (pop about 1400) had a TV cable distribution system installed by Dyer's TV and Appliance all over town. Unlike today's "cable TV", however, Dyer's Cable was simply a remote TV antenna farm located on top of the 800' hill to the East of the town feeding line amps and 75 ohm distribution system across the town, the earliest cable TV systems America had. Dyer customers got Syracuse, Binghampton, Rochester channels, about 12 of them by that time. The deep valley made sure almost everyone in town was a Dyer customer. I'm sure his system was bought up by one of the big guns in later years after I left for the Navy, never to return. Dyers was an RCA dealer and had the very first RCA round-screen color TVs ever produced....a real amazement. The first model was setup in their display window for everyone in town to stand and gawk at from the street in the middle of town. It was 21" or 17" and in COLOR!.....well, during the 3 or 4 color shows NBC broadcast each week to sell them... > I know someone with a CTR350 and Saturday we upgraded his CTR350 to the > latest software. > > I hooked up my Mogul to it and set up Internet Sharing for USB and then > tapped connect. It looked like it was working but we could not get to the > internet. Stupid question, but do you have the PAM (Phone as Modem) add-on to your data plan? And, although the manual for the CTR350 says it supports the Mogul, I'm not sure HOW it does... Typically ICS (Internet Sharing) requires Activesync on the PC (or WMDC for Vista) to recognize the phone's RNDIS connection. I guess the WinMo compatible RNDIS driver is in the CTR350 firmware? If you're just wanting to use the Mogul as an access point, you really don't need to invest in a cellular router- software exists that you can run on your phone and accomplish the same task. Check this out and see if it's suitable... http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-wmwifirouter-v0-89.html It turns your Mogul (or any WM6 Professional phone) into a WiFi router. > > I know someone with a CTR350 and Saturday we upgraded his CTR350 to the > > latest software. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Stupid question, but do you have the PAM (Phone as Modem) add-on to your > data plan? I pay $40 a month for it so I can have unlimited access but I have to keep it 1 1/2 more years. After I added that I was informed I didn't have to have Vision anymore so I dropped that. > And, although the manual for the CTR350 says it supports the Mogul, I'm not > sure HOW it does... Typically ICS (Internet Sharing) requires Activesync on > the PC (or WMDC for Vista) to recognize the phone's RNDIS connection. I > guess the WinMo compatible RNDIS driver is in the CTR350 firmware? I have never installed any extra software on my Vista computer yet. It came with the Slingbox software on it so all I had to do was set that up. On my Mogul I run "Internet Sharing", set it for "Bluetooth PAN" and then tap Connect. Then on the laptop I right click on the Bluetooth icon in the system tray and then "Join a Personal Area Network." then "Connect." Or if I want to use a USB cable, I just set "Internet Sharing" for "USB" tap "Connect" and hook up the USB cable. My laptop finds that pretty quick too. > If you're just wanting to use the Mogul as an access point, you really don't > need to invest in a cellular router- software exists that you can run on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It turns your Mogul (or any WM6 Professional phone) into a WiFi router. Yes that program is very cool and I have version 80 on my Mogul already. BTW, as neat as that program is, I had a lot of trouble with it when I tried to use it to get the internet from the Mogul to another PPC/phone. I ended up using a BT DUN instead. I'll say this too. When I use BT DUN instead of WMWiFiRouter my Mogul it doesn't get as warm as it used to. All that is great for me, but I still know someone that wants to get the CTR350 to work with either a Mogul or their Touch. Thanks. > > "DTC" <m...@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > TIZ Mine didn't work out of the box either, so I called Cradlepoint's support and they had me running in about 10 minutes. I think I had to change the gateway ip to 192.168.3.1 instead of the default 192.168.1.1 in the router. Worked great after that. Todd W. > > "Todd Wade" <waveri...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:4d695134-8074-4e24-8db8-6cce82d4102d@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > > > "DTC" <m...@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Todd W. Thanks and I remember seeing something about it when I was looking at the cradlepoint website. I'll dig a little deeper when I have more time or maybe I call too. I don't remember exactly what cradlepoint product it was, but it was the first one I saw and it worked super with laptops but it was slow going to a PPC. After I saw that I decided I would not buy one till I learn more about them. > > "Todd Wade" <waveri...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:4d695134-8074-4e24-8db8-6cce82d4102d@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > > > "DTC" <m...@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Todd W. Ok I found where it says: "You will need to change one or the other to a different subnet." It is on page 3 of 4 at: http://cradlepoint.com/ctr350/ReleaseNotesCTR_2_1.pdf I'm looking forward to trying that out to see if that fixes the problem the next time I get the chance. Thanks again. >> I'll keep that mind next time I live out of a car. >Or if you ever get a job outside of a cubicle and need to >be truly mobile. When I need internet on my laptop, and I'm on the road, I usually simply connect to a nearby motel's wifi network. Baring that, I connect a USB cable to my modem and use it's internet connection. I run PalmOS and use a utility called PDANet. I thought the OP was looking for a home based solution and didn't live out of a car. > >> I'll keep that mind next time I live out of a car. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > cable to my modem and use it's internet connection. I run PalmOS and use a > utility called PDANet. Interesting. On the Mogul PDANet also supports Bluetooth DUN. Have you ever tried BT DUN yet using PDANet? TIA. > I thought the OP was looking for a home based solution and didn't live out > of a car. FYI the "OP" is "Jen" not DTC. > I thought the OP was looking for a home based solution and didn't live out > of a car. The OP didn't say how he wanted to use it. So we don't know his best solution. |
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