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MatFox - 23 Jun 2004 15:22 GMT
Hello all!

This is my first post here.

I am actually looking for the prefixes (area code?) used by the US and
Canadian mobile operators.

Does anyone know of a website where I can find such a list?

I have tried Google, but nothing useful has surfaced...

Txs in advance.
Cyrus Afzali - 23 Jun 2004 15:28 GMT
>Hello all!
>
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>
>I have tried Google, but nothing useful has surfaced...

Outside major metropolitan areas, you're not going to find area codes
that are exclusively used by mobile carriers. Even then, areas like
NYC are starting to see blur in that area since both 917 and 646 are
now used for land numbers, where they were exclusively used for mobile
nos. until recently.

As far as the pre-fix, or exchange numbers, you may find that a
particular carrier has an entire block that gives them all the
(646)555-XXXX pool, but even if that's the case, there's no way you're
going to be able to get access to that info because it's not public.
MatFox - 23 Jun 2004 15:35 GMT
In data Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:28:12 GMT, Cyrus Afzali ha scritto:

> Outside major metropolitan areas, you're not going to find area codes
> that are exclusively used by mobile carriers. Even then, areas like
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> (646)555-XXXX pool, but even if that's the case, there's no way you're
> going to be able to get access to that info because it's not public.

Hello Cyrus.

Does this mean that there is no specific area code (of maybe an initial
figure) that - if I call from abroad and dial +1 (to US and Canada) -
allows me to understand I am callingo a mobile number?

For example, in Italy all mobile numbers begin with 3, so if you dial
+39.3xx.xxxxx (+39 being Italy's country code) you know you are calling
an italian mobile number.
Ren? - 23 Jun 2004 16:10 GMT
> Does this mean that there is no specific area code (of maybe an
> initial figure) that - if I call from abroad and dial +1 (to US and
> Canada) - allows me to understand I am callingo a mobile number?

That's it exactly.
MatFox - 23 Jun 2004 16:31 GMT
In data Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:10:31 GMT, Ren? ha scritto:

> That's it exactly.

ok, txs.
danny burstein - 23 Jun 2004 16:55 GMT
>Hello Cyrus.

>Does this mean that there is no specific area code (of maybe an initial
>figure) that - if I call from abroad and dial +1 (to US and Canada) -
>allows me to understand I am callingo a mobile number?

That's true. There's no way of knowing (as a member fo the general public)
whether the number you're calling in the united states is a wired phone or
a mobile one.

While some prefixes (the abc portion in xxx-abc-nnnn) are "owned", for
want of a better term, by mobile operators, even that's no longer a
reliable method. We've had "number portablity" for a year now, in which
people can take their phone number - whether it was on a cellphone or a
wired one - and move from one carrier to another.

NOTE that to you, as a caller, it doesn't make the same difference as it
would in Europe. Calls to (almost) all phone numbers in the US cost you
the same. There's NO extra charge to call a cellular customer.

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MatFox - 23 Jun 2004 18:57 GMT
> While some prefixes (the abc portion in xxx-abc-nnnn) are "owned", for
> want of a better term, by mobile operators, even that's no longer a
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> would in Europe. Calls to (almost) all phone numbers in the US cost you
> the same. There's NO extra charge to call a cellular customer.

Txs a lot, this is very interesting - and quite different from what
happens here, where if you call a mobile number from a wire line you pay
a connection cost (on average 0,12 euros) and about 0,22 euros per
minute of conversation!

BTW, do you think that all you said applies to Canada as well?

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John S. - 23 Jun 2004 22:25 GMT
>BTW, do you think that all you said applies to Canada as well?

Yes it does.

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MatFox - 25 Jun 2004 06:50 GMT
> Yes it does.

fine, txs.

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Joseph - 24 Jun 2004 08:13 GMT
>We've had "number portablity" for a year now, in which
>people can take their phone number - whether it was on a cellphone or a
>wired one - and move from one carrier to another.

I think you recon a year's time differently than the rest of us do.
Wireless number portability only started on November 24, 2003.  That's
just shy of 7 months by my calendar.

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gopi - 23 Jun 2004 20:15 GMT
> Does this mean that there is no specific area code (of maybe an initial
> figure) that - if I call from abroad and dial +1 (to US and Canada) -
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> +39.3xx.xxxxx (+39 being Italy's country code) you know you are calling
> an italian mobile number.

The US is very different from Europe in this regard.

You can find some information here:
http://www.fonefinder.net/index.php

When you get a cellphone in the US, you'll normally get a local area
code. It won't be easily distinguished from a landline phone in the
area. In the Pittsburgh area, for example 412-421-xxxx is a landline
in Squirrel Hill. 412-726-xxxx is a T-Mobile cellular number. Now that
there is number portability, you can convert landline to mobile and
vice-versa.

It doesn't cost extra to call a cellphone number in the US. Thus, it
doesn't really matter. The person receiving the call must pay.

Unlike Europe, where there is normally a specific rate for each kind
of call, most US carriers give you a number of minutes, and then a
per-minute charge if you go over that. Depending on your plan, you may
pay a surcharge for long distance, roaming, etc.

When you call an 800 number in the US, it costs you cellular minutes.
At least in Germany, it's free - but the 800 number owner pays _much_
more. Thus, many of them block cellular calls.

Hopefully this makes sense...
MatFox - 23 Jun 2004 21:44 GMT
> Hopefully this makes sense...

Great, txs a lot for the detailed infos and links!

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John S. - 23 Jun 2004 22:24 GMT
>Does this mean that there is no specific area code (of maybe an initial
>figure) that - if I call from abroad and dial +1 (to US and Canada) -
>allows me to understand I am callingo a mobile number?

Not in the US or Canada. Here the numbers are generic numbers and are part of
the calling plan. We do not have calling party pays so it is not as important
as it is in most of the rest of the world.

And for that matter, when calling here, why do you care? The charges are not
different than calling a land line number.

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MatFox - 23 Jun 2004 22:39 GMT
> And for that matter, when calling here, why do you care? The charges are not
> different than calling a land line number.

Txs for the info, but this is something I did not know at all,
considering the tariffs one has to pay when calling a mobile phone from
wired lines  in EU!

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Joseph - 24 Jun 2004 08:11 GMT
>Does this mean that there is no specific area code (of maybe an initial
>figure) that - if I call from abroad and dial +1 (to US and Canada) -
>allows me to understand I am callingo a mobile number?

There are no mobile only area codes.  There *are* however mobile only
number exchange prefixes.  Area code 206 with prefix 229 is a T-Mobile
prefix along with many others.  Same will be for any area where
T-Mobile has service there will be prefixes that will be for T-Mobile
though someone could have mobile service through another company since
wireless number portability has been in effect.  All other telephone
companies and wireless companies are assigned blocks of prefix codes
as well such as for AT&T Wireless, Verizon Wireless, Sprint PCS, etc.

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Joseph - 24 Jun 2004 08:07 GMT
>As far as the pre-fix, or exchange numbers, you may find that a
>particular carrier has an entire block that gives them all the
>(646)555-XXXX pool, but even if that's the case, there's no way you're
>going to be able to get access to that info because it's not public.

Really!  Don't go to http://www.nanpa.com  or http://telcodata.us or
you'll be "breaking the law."

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MatFox - 25 Jun 2004 06:50 GMT
> you'll be "breaking the law."

I'll be breaking the law, then! :-)

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James - 23 Jun 2004 19:30 GMT
> Hello all!
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> Txs in advance.

www.telcodata.us

You can input an area code and prefix and get the carrier (mobile or
landline) or you can input a carrier (again, mobile or landline) and
they will give you a list of area codes and the prefixes for those
area codes. I think this is what you are asking for. In addition to
the area code and prefix info, it gives you the location of the switch
so you can determine if that exchange is a local call, relative to
your home phone, if applicable.
MatFox - 23 Jun 2004 21:44 GMT
>  I think this is what you are asking for.

Txs, James.

I was mostly trying to understand if in the US there's a specific
figure(s) that, dialed after the Country Code, allows the caller to
understand if he's calling Mobiles or Wirelines numbers.
But due to number portability and other stuff, as told in the other
answers to this thread, it seems like there isn't a specific one...

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Joseph - 24 Jun 2004 08:16 GMT
>I was mostly trying to understand if in the US there's a specific
>figure(s) that, dialed after the Country Code, allows the caller to
>understand if he's calling Mobiles or Wirelines numbers.
>But due to number portability and other stuff, as told in the other
>answers to this thread, it seems like there isn't a specific one...

For the most part the prefix will dicatate whether it's a mobile or
wireline number unless the wireline number has been converted to a
wireless number through number portability.

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MatFox - 25 Jun 2004 06:50 GMT
> For the most part the prefix will dicatate whether it's a mobile or
> wireline number unless the wireline number has been converted to a
> wireless number through number portability.

but the prefix, it it on national or local based?
I mean, is a certain prefix valid throughout the whole US?

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Joseph - 25 Jun 2004 14:58 GMT
>> For the most part the prefix will dicatate whether it's a mobile or
>> wireline number unless the wireline number has been converted to a
>> wireless number through number portability.
>
>but the prefix, it it on national or local based?
>I mean, is a certain prefix valid throughout the whole US?

There are *no* mobile only area codes as there are in Europe and Asia.
In each area code the area code administrator issues prefixes within
the area code assigned to mobile operators.  Mobile prefixes vary
throughout the US and could be anything from 200 - 999 (of course with
service codes, feature group D, etc. excluded.)

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MatFox - 25 Jun 2004 18:03 GMT
> There are *no* mobile only area codes as there are in Europe and Asia.
> In each area code the area code administrator issues prefixes within
> the area code assigned to mobile operators.  Mobile prefixes vary
> throughout the US and could be anything from 200 - 999 (of course with
> service codes, feature group D, etc. excluded.)

ok, txs a lot! :-)

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Joseph - 24 Jun 2004 08:06 GMT
>I am actually looking for the prefixes (area code?) used by the US and
>Canadian mobile operators.
>
>Does anyone know of a website where I can find such a list?

http://telcodata.us .  Use lookup by company.  The name of the company
may be a former name e.g. instead of just looking up T-Mobile you will
have to look up Omnipoint, Aerial, Powertel, AirTouch, Bell Atlantic
Mobility.  In Canada besides Telus Mobility, Bell Mobility you may
have to look up BC Tel Mobility, etc. and Microcell for all the
companies that use that (Fido, Citiphone, Simpro, etc.)

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MatFox - 25 Jun 2004 06:50 GMT
> Use lookup by company.  

great. Txs.

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