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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / T-Mobile / November 2004800 band
So is T-mobile going to start expanding to the 800(850) band? Things I have been reading state a lot of that band are open for use but it only seems that dobson - cell one is using it and cingular. Capt. >So is T-mobile going to start expanding to the 800(850) band? They can't unless they buy a cellular carrier. Keep in mind that they are PCS (1900MHz only). The cellular carriers like AT&T WS, Dobson, Cingular, Verizon, and others are the only ones that can build on the cellular frequencies (800MHz). -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net But if you have a a quad band phone you'd roam off of the 800 band, correct? At least that is what I have read here. > >So is T-mobile going to start expanding to the 800(850) band? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > John S. > e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net >But if you have a a quad band phone you'd roam off of the 800 band, correct? >At least that is what I have read here. Roaming is a matter of the equipment (phone) and agreements between the carriers. IF T-Mobile has a roaming agreement you will be able to roam. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net Forgot to add this question to my last post. If T-mo is 1900 pcs, is that the same as sprint pcs or am I confused. Because it seems they are the same band? > >So is T-mobile going to start expanding to the 800(850) band? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > John S. > e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net > Forgot to add this question to my last post. If T-mo is 1900 pcs, is that > the same as sprint pcs or am I confused. Because it seems they are the same > band? The "1900 MHz" PCS band covers 120 MHz of RF spectrum. This is sliced and diced into bits as small as 10 MHz. Generally, you can have between 6 and 8 PCS licenses in a given market. Add to this the two cellular bands (A & B) plus random SMR allocations and you can have as many as 9 (or more) carriers in any given market. To answer your question about 800 MHz roaming. Just having the phone is not enough. The carriers must have agreements in place. Furthermore, GSM allows roming to be activated in specific places, so T-Mobile may roam Cingular in S. Carolina, but not in Georgia.  SignatureDonald Newcomb DRNewcomb (at) attglobal (dot) net >Forgot to add this question to my last post. If T-mo is 1900 pcs, is that >the same as sprint pcs or am I confused. Because it seems they are the same >band? They are in the same band. Different technologies but the same band. -- John S. e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net >Forgot to add this question to my last post. If T-mo is 1900 pcs, is that >the same as sprint pcs or am I confused. Because it seems they are the same >band? Anything that uses the frequency 1900 Mhz is technically PCS. Anything that uses 800 Mhz is technically cellular. They both can be used with multiple technologies (CDMA, TDMA or GSM.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > So is T-mobile going to start expanding to the 800(850) band? Things I have > been reading state a lot of that band are open for use but it only seems > that dobson - cell one is using it and cingular. Per a friend at T-Mobile: Though there are "pockets" of 850 band coverage in very small parts of our roaming partner's networks, T-Mobile does not currently advertise or promote this service to our customers. For customers that are currently aware of 850 pocket coverage in their area, please use the following to guide your responses to these potential questions: Does T-Mobile offer service in the 850 band? >No. However some of our 1900 band roaming partners do provide 850 band coverage in some areas. What is Domestic 850 band roaming? >T-Mobile's 'home' band of spectrum is 1900 MHz. Some customers, with specific phones, may have the ability to make calls on the 850 band in very small parts of our roaming partner's networks. Will T-Mobile increase its coverage area in the 850 band? >T-Mobile currently has no plans to enter into roaming agreements with 850 band carriers How long will I be able to use my phone in this area? >Though it is not guaranteed, we have no plans to deactivate 850 band pocket coverage. >While a customer is in an 850 band pocket, they will see the name of the carrier they are roaming on, not "T-Mobile" on their handset display. How come my friend can use his phone here and I can't? >Not all handsets are 850 band capable. If the customer is interested in using their handset in an 850 band pocket coverage area, they will need to upgrade to an 850 band capable handset. How much does it cost? >Calls placed while a customer is in an 850 band pocket will be billed just as if they are whiel roaming with our partners. Which handset work on 850 band? >Currently only Nokia 3593, Nokia 6010 and Treo 850 are configured to support 850 on T-Mobile branded and programmed handsets. Can I change or upgrade in my current handset to an 850 band handset? >Yes. If a customer is interested in using their handset in an 850 band pocket coverage area, they will need to upgrade to an 850 band capable handset. Why do my calls drop when I get into an 850 band coverage area? >A customer's handset is always pulling signal from the tower that provides the best coverage for the area they are in (not necessarily the closest tower). When a customer is traveling, this signal is "handed-off" from tower to tower. When a customer moves between T-Mobile towers this "hand-off" happens without the customer knowing they are changing towers. When the customer moves from a T-Mobile tower to a roaming partner's tower (whether it is 1900 or 850 band), the hand off is not always smooth and, unfortunately the customer may experience a dropped call. Will all of my features work? >Unfortunately not all features will work in 850 band pocket coverage areas. Where are the 850 band pockets? >Because we do not advertise or promote these "pocket" coverage areas, we do not provide maps of these areas. 850 band pocket coverage areas are not currently displayed in the Interactive Coverage Map (ICM). Why is 850 allowed in certain areas but not others? >Some T-Mobile roaming partners have networks in both the 850 and 1900 bands. Some of these carriers cannot restrict T-Mobile customers from using their 850 band coverage if the customer has an 850 band capable handset Tmobiles idea of "very small pocket" somehow isnt the same as my idea of small pocket. Considring its 1/3 of the whole state of Mn and 1/4 of the whole state of Wi. :) I wonder what that comes out to in sq. miles. Has to be in the 10s of thousands. > So is T-mobile going to start expanding to the 800(850) band? Things I have > been reading state a lot of that band are open for use but it only seems > that dobson - cell one is using it and cingular. Per a friend at T-Mobile: Though there are "pockets" of 850 band coverage in very small parts of our roaming partner's networks, T-Mobile does not currently advertise or promote this service to our customers. For customers that are currently aware of 850 pocket coverage in their area, please use the following to guide your responses to these potential questions: Does T-Mobile offer service in the 850 band? >No. However some of our 1900 band roaming partners do provide 850 band coverage in some areas. What is Domestic 850 band roaming? >T-Mobile's 'home' band of spectrum is 1900 MHz. Some customers, with specific phones, may have the ability to make calls on the 850 band in very small parts of our roaming partner's networks. Will T-Mobile increase its coverage area in the 850 band? >T-Mobile currently has no plans to enter into roaming agreements with 850 band carriers How long will I be able to use my phone in this area? >Though it is not guaranteed, we have no plans to deactivate 850 band pocket coverage. >While a customer is in an 850 band pocket, they will see the name of the carrier they are roaming on, not "T-Mobile" on their handset display. How come my friend can use his phone here and I can't? >Not all handsets are 850 band capable. If the customer is interested in using their handset in an 850 band pocket coverage area, they will need to upgrade to an 850 band capable handset. How much does it cost? >Calls placed while a customer is in an 850 band pocket will be billed just as if they are whiel roaming with our partners. Which handset work on 850 band? >Currently only Nokia 3593, Nokia 6010 and Treo 850 are configured to support 850 on T-Mobile branded and programmed handsets. Can I change or upgrade in my current handset to an 850 band handset? >Yes. If a customer is interested in using their handset in an 850 band pocket coverage area, they will need to upgrade to an 850 band capable handset. Why do my calls drop when I get into an 850 band coverage area? >A customer's handset is always pulling signal from the tower that provides the best coverage for the area they are in (not necessarily the closest tower). When a customer is traveling, this signal is "handed-off" from tower to tower. When a customer moves between T-Mobile towers this "hand-off" happens without the customer knowing they are changing towers. When the customer moves from a T-Mobile tower to a roaming partner's tower (whether it is 1900 or 850 band), the hand off is not always smooth and, unfortunately the customer may experience a dropped call. Will all of my features work? >Unfortunately not all features will work in 850 band pocket coverage areas. Where are the 850 band pockets? >Because we do not advertise or promote these "pocket" coverage areas, we do not provide maps of these areas. 850 band pocket coverage areas are not currently displayed in the Interactive Coverage Map (ICM). Why is 850 allowed in certain areas but not others? >Some T-Mobile roaming partners have networks in both the 850 and 1900 bands. Some of these carriers cannot restrict T-Mobile customers from using their 850 band coverage if the customer has an 850 band capable handset I agree, that's why I am asking, I'm in MN and have the same questions. I hear people up in Northern MN talking about Dobson - cell one have the 850 band across almost the whole northern part, so why wouldn't t-mo partner with them, more coverage, happier customers. Tmobiles idea of "very small pocket" somehow isnt the same as my idea of small pocket. Considring its 1/3 of the whole state of Mn and 1/4 of the whole state of Wi. :) I wonder what that comes out to in sq. miles. Has to be in the 10s of thousands. "It is only me" <SpamLess@SpamOh.Com> wrote in message news:b96dnRer794rxeHcRVn-rA@rcn.net... > So is T-mobile going to start expanding to the 800(850) band? Things I have > been reading state a lot of that band are open for use but it only seems > that dobson - cell one is using it and cingular. Per a friend at T-Mobile: Though there are "pockets" of 850 band coverage in very small parts of our roaming partner's networks, T-Mobile does not currently advertise or promote this service to our customers. For customers that are currently aware of 850 pocket coverage in their area, please use the following to guide your responses to these potential questions: Does T-Mobile offer service in the 850 band? >No. However some of our 1900 band roaming partners do provide 850 band coverage in some areas. What is Domestic 850 band roaming? >T-Mobile's 'home' band of spectrum is 1900 MHz. Some customers, with specific phones, may have the ability to make calls on the 850 band in very small parts of our roaming partner's networks. Will T-Mobile increase its coverage area in the 850 band? >T-Mobile currently has no plans to enter into roaming agreements with 850 band carriers How long will I be able to use my phone in this area? >Though it is not guaranteed, we have no plans to deactivate 850 band pocket coverage. >While a customer is in an 850 band pocket, they will see the name of the carrier they are roaming on, not "T-Mobile" on their handset display. How come my friend can use his phone here and I can't? >Not all handsets are 850 band capable. If the customer is interested in using their handset in an 850 band pocket coverage area, they will need to upgrade to an 850 band capable handset. How much does it cost? >Calls placed while a customer is in an 850 band pocket will be billed just as if they are whiel roaming with our partners. Which handset work on 850 band? >Currently only Nokia 3593, Nokia 6010 and Treo 850 are configured to support 850 on T-Mobile branded and programmed handsets. Can I change or upgrade in my current handset to an 850 band handset? >Yes. If a customer is interested in using their handset in an 850 band pocket coverage area, they will need to upgrade to an 850 band capable handset. Why do my calls drop when I get into an 850 band coverage area? >A customer's handset is always pulling signal from the tower that provides the best coverage for the area they are in (not necessarily the closest tower). When a customer is traveling, this signal is "handed-off" from tower to tower. When a customer moves between T-Mobile towers this "hand-off" happens without the customer knowing they are changing towers. When the customer moves from a T-Mobile tower to a roaming partner's tower (whether it is 1900 or 850 band), the hand off is not always smooth and, unfortunately the customer may experience a dropped call. Will all of my features work? >Unfortunately not all features will work in 850 band pocket coverage areas. Where are the 850 band pockets? >Because we do not advertise or promote these "pocket" coverage areas, we do not provide maps of these areas. 850 band pocket coverage areas are not currently displayed in the Interactive Coverage Map (ICM). Why is 850 allowed in certain areas but not others? >Some T-Mobile roaming partners have networks in both the 850 and 1900 bands. Some of these carriers cannot restrict T-Mobile customers from using their 850 band coverage if the customer has an 850 band capable handset Tmobile does have one advantage of being able to tell foreign GSM users that thier common tri-band GSM phones work best on thier network. If they went 850 they would loose that addage. But this is probably a small market and not a great concern. They also would be pressured to support more costly 850 band phones if they where more open and supportive of the 850 market. Just my 2 cents... err 1 cent.... I agree, that's why I am asking, I'm in MN and have the same questions. I hear people up in Northern MN talking about Dobson - cell one have the 850 band across almost the whole northern part, so why wouldn't t-mo partner with them, more coverage, happier customers. "nobody" <nobody@wants-spam.a.s> wrote in message news:mc_ed.2409$R05.883@attbi_s53... Tmobiles idea of "very small pocket" somehow isnt the same as my idea of small pocket. Considring its 1/3 of the whole state of Mn and 1/4 of the whole state of Wi. :) I wonder what that comes out to in sq. miles. Has to be in the 10s of thousands. "It is only me" <SpamLess@SpamOh.Com> wrote in message news:b96dnRer794rxeHcRVn-rA@rcn.net... > So is T-mobile going to start expanding to the 800(850) band? Things I have > been reading state a lot of that band are open for use but it only seems > that dobson - cell one is using it and cingular. Per a friend at T-Mobile: Though there are "pockets" of 850 band coverage in very small parts of our roaming partner's networks, T-Mobile does not currently advertise or promote this service to our customers. For customers that are currently aware of 850 pocket coverage in their area, please use the following to guide your responses to these potential questions: Does T-Mobile offer service in the 850 band? >No. However some of our 1900 band roaming partners do provide 850 band coverage in some areas. What is Domestic 850 band roaming? >T-Mobile's 'home' band of spectrum is 1900 MHz. Some customers, with specific phones, may have the ability to make calls on the 850 band in very small parts of our roaming partner's networks. Will T-Mobile increase its coverage area in the 850 band? >T-Mobile currently has no plans to enter into roaming agreements with 850 band carriers How long will I be able to use my phone in this area? >Though it is not guaranteed, we have no plans to deactivate 850 band pocket coverage. >While a customer is in an 850 band pocket, they will see the name of the carrier they are roaming on, not "T-Mobile" on their handset display. How come my friend can use his phone here and I can't? >Not all handsets are 850 band capable. If the customer is interested in using their handset in an 850 band pocket coverage area, they will need to upgrade to an 850 band capable handset. How much does it cost? >Calls placed while a customer is in an 850 band pocket will be billed just as if they are whiel roaming with our partners. Which handset work on 850 band? >Currently only Nokia 3593, Nokia 6010 and Treo 850 are configured to support 850 on T-Mobile branded and programmed handsets. Can I change or upgrade in my current handset to an 850 band handset? >Yes. If a customer is interested in using their handset in an 850 band pocket coverage area, they will need to upgrade to an 850 band capable handset. Why do my calls drop when I get into an 850 band coverage area? >A customer's handset is always pulling signal from the tower that provides the best coverage for the area they are in (not necessarily the closest tower). When a customer is traveling, this signal is "handed-off" from tower to tower. When a customer moves between T-Mobile towers this "hand-off" happens without the customer knowing they are changing towers. When the customer moves from a T-Mobile tower to a roaming partner's tower (whether it is 1900 or 850 band), the hand off is not always smooth and, unfortunately the customer may experience a dropped call. Will all of my features work? >Unfortunately not all features will work in 850 band pocket coverage areas. Where are the 850 band pockets? >Because we do not advertise or promote these "pocket" coverage areas, we do not provide maps of these areas. 850 band pocket coverage areas are not currently displayed in the Interactive Coverage Map (ICM). Why is 850 allowed in certain areas but not others? >Some T-Mobile roaming partners have networks in both the 850 and 1900 bands. Some of these carriers cannot restrict T-Mobile customers from using their 850 band coverage if the customer has an 850 band capable handset T-Mobile is partnering with Dobson. They just don't want to publicly admit it. The good news in all of this, is their statement that they don't intend to turn off the 850 roaming that currently exists. I suspect that once quad band phones become common, T-Mobile will find it impossible to refuse to allow roaming on the 850 rural carriers. They may come up with some new plans so they don't get killed on roaming charges though. Mike Schumann I agree, that's why I am asking, I'm in MN and have the same questions. I hear people up in Northern MN talking about Dobson - cell one have the 850 band across almost the whole northern part, so why wouldn't t-mo partner with them, more coverage, happier customers. "nobody" <nobody@wants-spam.a.s> wrote in message news:mc_ed.2409$R05.883@attbi_s53... Tmobiles idea of "very small pocket" somehow isnt the same as my idea of small pocket. Considring its 1/3 of the whole state of Mn and 1/4 of the whole state of Wi. :) I wonder what that comes out to in sq. miles. Has to be in the 10s of thousands. "It is only me" <SpamLess@SpamOh.Com> wrote in message news:b96dnRer794rxeHcRVn-rA@rcn.net... > So is T-mobile going to start expanding to the 800(850) band? Things I have > been reading state a lot of that band are open for use but it only seems > that dobson - cell one is using it and cingular. Per a friend at T-Mobile: Though there are "pockets" of 850 band coverage in very small parts of our roaming partner's networks, T-Mobile does not currently advertise or promote this service to our customers. For customers that are currently aware of 850 pocket coverage in their area, please use the following to guide your responses to these potential questions: Does T-Mobile offer service in the 850 band? >No. However some of our 1900 band roaming partners do provide 850 band coverage in some areas. What is Domestic 850 band roaming? >T-Mobile's 'home' band of spectrum is 1900 MHz. Some customers, with specific phones, may have the ability to make calls on the 850 band in very small parts of our roaming partner's networks. Will T-Mobile increase its coverage area in the 850 band? >T-Mobile currently has no plans to enter into roaming agreements with 850 band carriers How long will I be able to use my phone in this area? >Though it is not guaranteed, we have no plans to deactivate 850 band pocket coverage. >While a customer is in an 850 band pocket, they will see the name of the carrier they are roaming on, not "T-Mobile" on their handset display. How come my friend can use his phone here and I can't? >Not all handsets are 850 band capable. If the customer is interested in using their handset in an 850 band pocket coverage area, they will need to upgrade to an 850 band capable handset. How much does it cost? >Calls placed while a customer is in an 850 band pocket will be billed just as if they are whiel roaming with our partners. Which handset work on 850 band? >Currently only Nokia 3593, Nokia 6010 and Treo 850 are configured to support 850 on T-Mobile branded and programmed handsets. Can I change or upgrade in my current handset to an 850 band handset? >Yes. If a customer is interested in using their handset in an 850 band pocket coverage area, they will need to upgrade to an 850 band capable handset. Why do my calls drop when I get into an 850 band coverage area? >A customer's handset is always pulling signal from the tower that provides the best coverage for the area they are in (not necessarily the closest tower). When a customer is traveling, this signal is "handed-off" from tower to tower. When a customer moves between T-Mobile towers this "hand-off" happens without the customer knowing they are changing towers. When the customer moves from a T-Mobile tower to a roaming partner's tower (whether it is 1900 or 850 band), the hand off is not always smooth and, unfortunately the customer may experience a dropped call. Will all of my features work? >Unfortunately not all features will work in 850 band pocket coverage areas. Where are the 850 band pockets? >Because we do not advertise or promote these "pocket" coverage areas, we do not provide maps of these areas. 850 band pocket coverage areas are not currently displayed in the Interactive Coverage Map (ICM). Why is 850 allowed in certain areas but not others? >Some T-Mobile roaming partners have networks in both the 850 and 1900 bands. Some of these carriers cannot restrict T-Mobile customers from using their 850 band coverage if the customer has an 850 band capable handset > Tmobiles idea of "very small pocket" somehow isnt the same as my > idea of small pocket. Considring its 1/3 of the whole state of Mn and > 1/4 of the whole state of Wi. :) I wonder what that comes out to in sq. > miles. Has to be in the 10s of thousands. The catch is that this was built out for bag phones on AMPS. If you look at GSM world the Dobson map looks very spotty. My father-in-law tried to switch from 3W AMPS on Cellular One (which worked great for years) to a TDMA phone, and the coverage in his town just wasn't there so he switched carriers, but now he has smaller coverage. With my Siemens S56, and a Nokia 6360 TDMA, driving down County Rd 44 in St. Louis County, the S56 completely lost the signal between towers. Note that other carriers have nothing on this road. The TDMA phone held 3-4 bars (no external antenna). At our cabin, I can get a constant usable signal with a YAGI and TDMA. With GSM it keeps dropping out. With a 3W booster and TDMA and a car antenna I can get a signal anywhere I go from my snowmobile. With GSM its very spotty, even with the booster. GSM must require many more sites than TDMA. So I can see why T-Mobile wouldn't bother advertising this, but its far better than what T-Mobile had before. >-=-=-=-=-=- > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Per a friend at T-Mobile: [snip] >Which handset work on 850 band? > >>Currently only Nokia 3593, Nokia 6010 and Treo 850 are configured to >support 850 on T-Mobile branded and programmed handsets. I assume this means Nokia 3595. So the rumors that TMO has disabled the 850 band on other phones, so equipped from the factory (e.g. Motorola V400/600) are true? > So the rumors that TMO has disabled the 850 band on other phones, so > equipped from the factory (e.g. Motorola V400/600) are true? Yep, tmobile has disabled the 850 band in the v600. Of course its very simple to program the phone to get it back. A 9 dollar motorola cable and some software thats free on the web is all thats needed. >So is T-mobile going to start expanding to the 800(850) band? Things I have >been reading state a lot of that band are open for use but it only seems >that dobson - cell one is using it and cingular. No. T-Mobile will never use 800/850 Mhz. They were not assigned that spectrum. Only the two cellular license holders in each market can use 800 Mhz (cellular.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T-Mobile isn't officially roaming on 850mhz, but there are places that T-Mobile phones can roam on that band. If T-Mobile has a general roaming agreement with Cingular for a certain market and Cingular is providing service in that market on both bands, you'll probably be able to roam. As more of the rural 850 carriers start providing GSM overlays, T-Mobile is going to change (IMHO). In addition to Dobson, Centennial Wireless, and Century Tel are starting to put out 850mhz overlays. As long as their wholesale roaming rate is within the market, T-Mobile will come. All carriers want coverage maps that cover the United States and carriers lose business when potential customers see that a spot they visit every three years for one day is not covered. > So is T-mobile going to start expanding to the 800(850) band? Things I > have > been reading state a lot of that band are open for use but it only seems > that dobson - cell one is using it and cingular. > > Capt. |
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