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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / T-Mobile / June 2005850 Roaming is Coming
Starting in Minn St. Paul. 850 Roaming has been reality in Northern MN & WI for many months now. Mike Schumann > Starting in Minn St. Paul. How about if they supported more GSM 850 phones. For instance, how about WAP 2.0 on a T616, instead of assuming its 1.x for the T-Zone's home page. T-Mobile's European WAP site works fine on a T616, as do most WAP site's. > 850 Roaming has been reality in Northern MN & WI for many months now. > > Mike Schumann Not according to T-Mobile sales people I talked to. The word they gave me was that it was being "tested" in some areas of Northern Minnesota, but not turned on for general use. This was as of last December/January, 04/05. > > Starting in Minn St. Paul. That was the party line, but in reality the 850 GSM roaming has been available for all T-Mobile customers in northern MN and WI since before X-Mas. Mike Schumann >> 850 Roaming has been reality in Northern MN & WI for many months now. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >> > Starting in Minn St. Paul. >That was the party line, but in reality the 850 GSM roaming has been >available for all T-Mobile customers in northern MN and WI since before >X-Mas. And it is currently being tested for reliability and compatibility. > That was the party line, but in reality the 850 GSM roaming has been > available for all T-Mobile customers in northern MN and WI since before > X-Mas. > > Mike Schumann Will the Nokia 6010 work with it? > >> 850 Roaming has been reality in Northern MN & WI for many months now. > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > >> > Starting in Minn St. Paul. >> That was the party line, but in reality the 850 GSM roaming has been >> available for all T-Mobile customers in northern MN and WI since before [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Will the Nokia 6010 work with it? yes, i do believe your phone will work there. Last i checked, the 6010 was 850/1900mhz. (850 for the new roaming and 1900 for regular tmobile coverage and some older roaming) > >> That was the party line, but in reality the 850 GSM roaming has been > >> available for all T-Mobile customers in northern MN and WI since before [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > 850/1900mhz. (850 for the new roaming and 1900 for regular tmobile coverage > and some older roaming) I don't have a 6010, but when my contract is up (IF I stay w. TM) I intend to get a dual bander of some kind. I almost got the 6010 at the beginning, but the sales persons talked me into the Samsung C225 which I like fine, but as then as now I thought the dual band would be handy just in case, they said T-mobile will NOT be moving into 850 land and I believed them. So next time I won't listen to salespeople and their mumbo jumbo. >I don't have a 6010, but when my contract is up (IF I stay w. TM) I >intend to get a dual bander of some kind. I almost got the 6010 at the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >So next time I won't listen to salespeople and their mumbo jumbo. T-Mobile is *NOT* moving to 850 and never will. T-Mobile is PCS band only and will remain so unless they buy out cingular (which likelihood is nil!) - - > >I don't have a 6010, but when my contract is up (IF I stay w. TM) I > >intend to get a dual bander of some kind. I almost got the 6010 at the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > - - > well ok, but what is all this talk about 850 roaming in N. Minnesota? Is it true or not? I'm not arguing, but I'd like to know one way or another. So many stories and I don't know what to believe. >> >I don't have a 6010, but when my contract is up (IF I stay w. TM) I >> >intend to get a dual bander of some kind. I almost got the 6010 at the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Is it true or not? I'm not arguing, but I'd like to know one way or >another. So many stories and I don't know what to believe. You didn't say roaming. T-Mobile now has some roaming agreements with some GSM 850 operators. However, T-Mobile will *never* have GSM 850. It's impossible since the only cellular operators are usually Verizon (CDMA) or cingular. Unless T-Mobile buys cingular T-Mobile will never have native GSM 850. - - > >> >I don't have a 6010, but when my contract is up (IF I stay w. TM) I > >> >intend to get a dual bander of some kind. I almost got the 6010 at the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > - - > Ok then if TM has 850 "roaming" will that increase coverage where TM is lacking with the 1.9 Ghz band? Is the 850 roaming now available in N. Mn.? Hopefully I'll get a straight answer from somebody. >Ok then if TM has 850 "roaming" will that increase coverage where TM is >lacking with the 1.9 Ghz band? Is the 850 roaming now available in N. >Mn.? Hopefully I'll get a straight answer from somebody. Yes, that will increase roaming coverage where an agreement is in place. If there is no roaming agreement you cannot register on another network. - - > >Ok then if TM has 850 "roaming" will that increase coverage where TM is > >lacking with the 1.9 Ghz band? Is the 850 roaming now available in N. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > - - > TM was telling the truth back in Dec when I asked about it. Anyway, thanks for the explanation. T-Mobile itself may never own 850, but that is irrelevant for us as users. What is relevant is where we have phone service. In northern MN and WI, there are many areas where Dobson has 850 GSM service that T-Mobile customers can roam on. If you have a GSM 850 capable phone, you have service. If you don't, you don't have service. Mike Schumann >> >> >I don't have a 6010, but when my contract is up (IF I stay w. TM) I >> >> >intend to get a dual bander of some kind. I almost got the 6010 at [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > lacking with the 1.9 Ghz band? Is the 850 roaming now available in N. > Mn.? Hopefully I'll get a straight answer from somebody. Who knows? Maybe they could buy some parts/all of uscellular or some parts/all of alltel or somebody and launch gsm on those licenses. There used to be I think someone around here called einstein that was gsm, but I do not know if they were cellular or PCS. > Who knows? Maybe they could buy some parts/all of uscellular or some >parts/all of alltel or somebody and launch gsm on those licenses. There >used to be I think someone around here called einstein that was gsm, but >I do not know if they were cellular or PCS. Einstein is PCS. That's probably why their web URL is http://www.einsteinpcs.com - - Per Joseph: >PCS band ?  SignaturePeteCresswell >Per Joseph: >>PCS band > >? Any mobile phone provider operating in the 1900 mHz spectrum is a PCS band operator. It gets a little confusing, however, because all PCS providers don't use the same technology. IOW, both Sprint and T-Mobile are PCS providers, but Sprint is CDMA and T-Mobile is GSM. Per Cyrus Afzali: >PCS Any idea what the letters PCS stand for? SignaturePeteCresswell >Per Cyrus Afzali: >>PCS > >Any idea what the letters PCS stand for? Per google: Personal Communications Service. Google is your friend! - - PCS = Pete Cresswell Senior (sorry, couldn't resist) > Per Cyrus Afzali: >>PCS > > Any idea what the letters PCS stand for? >Per Joseph: >>PCS band > >? Google is your friend! PCS=1900 Mhz Cellular=800/850 Mhz - - Per Joseph: >Google is your friend! > >PCS=1900 Mhz Got it. P-ersonal C-ommunications S-ystem SignaturePeteCresswell Yes, select a phone that you like most and dont get convinced by the salespeople, they might be overstocked with that unit and sweet talked you to buy that item. >> >> That was the party line, but in reality the 850 GSM roaming has been >> >> available for all T-Mobile customers in northern MN and WI since [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > So next time I won't listen to salespeople and their mumbo jumbo. Could somebody give a brief definition of '850 Roaming'? SignaturePeteCresswell >Could somebody give a brief definition of '850 Roaming'? T-Mobile is a carier that uses the PCS band (e.g. 1900 mHz). Since it's licensed as a PCS carrier, it will never be awarded any spectrum outside the 1900 mHz band. However, Cingular is one of the carriers that operates in both the 1900 mHz band and also has 850 mHz spectrum, as do Western Wireless and several others. TM has roaming agreements that allow 850 mHz roaming in some areas, including MN. And there is equipment offered that does include that band. However, at least in my experience there's still a ton of 850 mHz coverage area where we still don't have the ability to roam. I tested the ability with a quad-band Treo 600 a few weeks ago in TN and got nothing. In theory, if we had widespread ability to roam on areas with 850 mHz coverage in addition to TM's native coverage areas, there would be many fewer coverage gaps. Was the problem in TN that there wasn't an 850 GSM signal, or that T-Mobile didn't have an 850GSM roaming agreement (not authorized, when you try to select the network)? Mike Schumann >>Could somebody give a brief definition of '850 Roaming'? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > coverage in addition to TM's native coverage areas, there would be > many fewer coverage gaps. >Was the problem in TN that there wasn't an 850 GSM signal, or that T-Mobile >didn't have an 850GSM roaming agreement (not authorized, when you try to >select the network)? Truthfully, Mike, I have yet to find a way to manually "hunt" for a network on my Treo 650 as I did for years on the Nokia. I know that in most cases, a network will automatically show up and you'll register if we're authorized to roam there. But I had many occasions over the years where a roaming network wouldn't show up until I searched for it. So, IOW, no network ever showed up even though the Treo 650 is a quad-band world phone. >Mike Schumann > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> coverage in addition to TM's native coverage areas, there would be >> many fewer coverage gaps. Yes, I agree. The roaming agreement will enable your phone to switch to any band available where T-Mo has no signal. This information is stored on your SIM card and is depending if the cellphone is capable of operating in other bands. T-Mo operates only in 1900Mhz band. > Was the problem in TN that there wasn't an 850 GSM signal, or that > T-Mobile didn't have an 850GSM roaming agreement (not authorized, when you [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> coverage in addition to TM's native coverage areas, there would be >> many fewer coverage gaps. Do you know the areas where roaming will be available? Thanks, Mark >>Could somebody give a brief definition of '850 Roaming'? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > coverage in addition to TM's native coverage areas, there would be > many fewer coverage gaps. >Do you know the areas where roaming will be available? > >Thanks, >Mark There are areas where it's available now, however it's never been officially announced by T-Mobile. It's more a "quietly" supported feature for those who have 850 mHz-capable equipment. >>>Could somebody give a brief definition of '850 Roaming'? >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> coverage in addition to TM's native coverage areas, there would be >> many fewer coverage gaps. Any 850 in Northern California?? Rural areas??? SFB > Starting in Minn St. Paul. |
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