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Razr on July 11th at TMobile?!
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SFB - 20 Jun 2005 04:31 GMT I have been reading a couple of threads on the HowardForums.com website lately. It appears that several ALLEGED TMobile Reps have been informed that the Razr will be released by TMobile on July 11th. No prices yet, but 2 of these posters were "right on" when it came to info on the V330 release date also...
SFB
Mike Schumann - 23 Jun 2005 22:25 GMT Is the Razr firmware any better than the V330's? If not, I would strongly suggest you avoid this phone. If it is, then why is the V330 so screwed up?
Mike Schumann
>I have been reading a couple of threads on the HowardForums.com website >lately. It appears that several ALLEGED TMobile Reps have been informed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > SFB BruceR - 23 Jun 2005 23:12 GMT Not sure what the v330 issues are but I can tell you that the razr works exactly as advertised with no bugs.
From:Mike Schumann mike-nospam@traditions-nospam.com
> Is the Razr firmware any better than the V330's? If not, I would > strongly suggest you avoid this phone. If it is, then why is the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> SFB ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net - 24 Jun 2005 17:50 GMT >Not sure what the v330 issues are but I can tell you that the razr works >exactly as advertised with no bugs. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> V330 so screwed up? >> Mike Schumann Yes, what are the issues with the V330? I just got one yesterday. I'm leaving the Kyocera 7135. It's a woderful phone if it didn't require a hard reset every other week. It's also a little big.
 Signature Scorp
SFB - 25 Jun 2005 01:07 GMT Please let me know about your experiences with your new V330. While there has been some issues reported by others about not keeping the Shortcuts after the phone is turned off, there really hasn't been that much negative (posted online) about this phone... except by Mike who appears to have had a VERY BAD experience with the new V330... it appears at least as bad as the old V300 which generated numerous complaints online...
I have NEVER had a bad Motorola phone... albeit I haven't had many over the last 4-5 years... my V60 worked PERFECTLY for over 2.5 years... While I am not 100% happy about email being "turned off" on the V330 (I am told to prevent people from sending photos as attachments to their emails rather than paying the 25 cents each for MMS) and I would have liked a memory card option (as in the V635), it seems to be a OK midline phone with a lot of options... photo, video, voice dialing etc.
The absence of NEGATIVE postings online seems to imply that most new owners are reasonably happy with their new V330s... A BAD phone generates a LOT MORE postings than a GOOD ONE...
Thanks for your input!
SFB
>>Not sure what the v330 issues are but I can tell you that the razr > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I'm leaving the Kyocera 7135. It's a woderful phone if it didn't > require a hard reset every other week. It's also a little big. Mike Schumann - 25 Jun 2005 04:37 GMT I use my phone for business, and it needs to work 100% of the time, not 95%. Things like turning itself off when it is done charging, may not bother some people, but when I miss 2 hours worth of calls because of this, it's not acceptable.
The Nokias that I have owned have always been rock solid. I'm not looking for lots of frills (like cameras, etc.). All I want is quad band GSM and modem capability so that I can use the phone with a laptop, and 100% reliability. When Nokia comes out with a phone like that I'll be upgrading. Until then, Motorola had their shot and blew it.
Mike Schumann
> Please let me know about your experiences with your new V330. While there > has been some issues reported by others about not keeping the Shortcuts [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> I'm leaving the Kyocera 7135. It's a woderful phone if it didn't >> require a hard reset every other week. It's also a little big. SFB - 25 Jun 2005 06:49 GMT Ooooooooooops, forgot about that "turning itself off after charging" that IS a major item for me also... since I normally charge it at night when we go to sleep... turning itself off in the middle of the night IS BAD NEWS...
Now as far as 100% of the time... I would be willing to sell you my old V60 when I upgrade... it has NEVER had any problems in the last several years.... HEY I'M ONLY KIDDING... it is NOT for sale!
As for Nokias, I can't give any personal review.. except that I really do not like BRICKS... I'm a "flip phone" person by nature... :)
SFB
> I use my phone for business, and it needs to work 100% of the time, not > 95%. Things like turning itself off when it is done charging, may not [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >>>I'm leaving the Kyocera 7135. It's a woderful phone if it didn't >>>require a hard reset every other week. It's also a little big. ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net - 27 Jun 2005 15:14 GMT >Ooooooooooops, forgot about that "turning itself off after charging" >that IS a major item for me also... since I normally charge it at night [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >>>>I'm leaving the Kyocera 7135. It's a woderful phone if it didn't >>>>require a hard reset every other week. It's also a little big. So far, I like the V330. I took it with me down to San Diego this weekend. I use TMO on this phone. The phone had good reception everywhere, even on an aircraft carrier.
Coming from the Kyocera, the thngs I notice are lack of address book. I can live with out it, but I admit I got used to it with the Kyocera.
The only charging of the phone I've done is in the car and I'm pretty sure the phone stayed on. Is this a wall charger issue with it shutting down?
My only real problem thus far is getting the phone to sync with my Mac through Bluetooth. I suspect this is a Mac issue though. I'm working on it, so time will tell.
After the 7135 the V330 feels very small.
 Signature Scorp
SFB - 27 Jun 2005 22:41 GMT Thanks Scorp...
As for the charging and then turning off.. all the postings I have read have referred to the "wall charger"... supposedly one the charge is completed using the "wall charger" it automatically turns off the V330
It would be strange IF it didn't work the same way with the auto charger... unless of course a "full charge" wasn't done and you removed the phone BEFORE the charge was completed so it didn't have a chance to turn off... please keep me posted if you leave it on the car charger for a full charge...
The phonebook issue is definetly a Motorola design issue... even with my old V60... I sure wish they would improve it... I normally carry a Palm and my phone because of this... I guess I could get a Treo 650 and do the same thing...
SFB
>>Ooooooooooops, forgot about that "turning itself off after charging" >>that IS a major item for me also... since I normally charge it at [quoted text clipped - 163 lines] > > After the 7135 the V330 feels very small. ScorpionKing@attNOSPAM.net - 30 Jun 2005 16:00 GMT >Thanks Scorp... > [quoted text clipped - 182 lines] >> >> After the 7135 the V330 feels very small. Maybe I'm the only one, but I charged my V330 overnight on the wall charger and the phone did NOT turn off. Now, maybe it was not fully charged, but the icon indicates it is. I would think that 6 hours would fully charge the phone, but maybe I'm wrong.
My wife is sold on the phone simply because she was able to maintain reception in an area she drops a call in almost daily. She has been on Cingular with the V60, but now on TMO with the V330
The only issue I'm having with the phone thus far is the ring type button on the left side. I wear the phone on my belt and It's always changing ring style, loud, vibrate ect. Now, it could be because I also have my Kyocera 7135 right next to it on my belt. I'm, going to move the 7135 and see if that fixes the problem.
I've only dropped one call all week and the sound quality is good. I'm liking the phone more and more.
One reason I bought the phone is that I wanted to sync with isync on my Mac. I couldn't do it, I was blaming the phone, but It turns out I need to have the Tiger OS to sync with MOT phones.
 Signature Scorp
Steven de Mena - 01 Jul 2005 11:41 GMT > Maybe I'm the only one, but I charged my V330 overnight on the wall > charger and the phone did NOT turn off. Now, maybe it was not fully > charged, but the icon indicates it is. I would think that 6 hours > would fully charge the phone, but maybe I'm wrong. I have had a number of Motorola phones over the years, including my current black RAZR V3, and none of them have turned off after charging up.
> My wife is sold on the phone simply because she was able to maintain > reception in an area she drops a call in almost daily. She has been [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > also have my Kyocera 7135 right next to it on my belt. I'm, going to > move the 7135 and see if that fixes the problem. I think I read a sort-of workaround, and that was to block access to that function by requiring a password, and thus it would not get changed accidentally.
Steve
Steven de Mena - 25 Jun 2005 11:55 GMT >I use my phone for business, and it needs to work 100% of the time, not >95%. Things like turning itself off when it is done charging, may not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Mike Schumann I sure hope Motorola can recover from losing you as a customer.
Steve
mvl_groups_user@yahoo.com - 11 Jul 2005 12:32 GMT The RAZR's not up on T-mobile's web site yet. Anyone see it at any store vendors? What are the prices?
-MVL
Niedzwiedz - 11 Jul 2005 14:43 GMT It's $199. Take a look here: shop.t-mobile.com
Andy
mvl_groups_user@yahoo.com - 11 Jul 2005 16:50 GMT Thanks. It was on the site at 7:30 this morning. It is now.
SFB - 11 Jul 2005 18:38 GMT It says "Video Camera" does that mean that video "recording" is activated on the TMobile branded Razr as opposed to the Cingular version?
SFB
> Thanks. It was on the site at 7:30 this morning. It is now. David - 16 Jul 2005 00:58 GMT I saw that too on their website. Called customer service today to double check and they say that no, there is no video recording mode. So, looks like someone posted the wrong info on the T-Mobile website.
Anyone have any idea why they'd have video capturing enabled in overseas models but disable it for the US market? Are they just gonna wait a few months, after a lot of people have already bought a v3, then enable the feature and call it the "new and improved" v4 and get people to buy new phones all over again? :-)
Anyone have any luck flashing their Razr to allow video capture? I did ask the T-Mobile guy if it would void the warranty and he said yup, like I guessed he would. Can u flash your phone using a Mac, or does that only work on a PC?
I also noticed in the V3's specs that you had the choice of various sounds the camera would make when taking still pictures, including a click and "silent." Can that be true in the US market? I thought that US regulators had mandated that all cell phone cameras had to make some sort of audible noise so people would know a camera was in use, so I wouldn't expect "silent" to be a choice they could give you.
> It says "Video Camera" does that mean that video "recording" is > activated on the TMobile branded Razr as opposed to the Cingular version? > > SFB > > > Thanks. It was on the site at 7:30 this morning. It is now. BruceR - 16 Jul 2005 02:12 GMT I have mine set to silent so the only sound when a picture is taken is a soft keypad beep. Which US regulators would have the authority to mandate a certain type of sound when taking a picture anyway? It would be totally unenforceable and would have to apply to ALL cameras and even then would probably not be constitutional.
Video Capture and other features can be enable with a reflash and no, you can't do it with a MAC. Obviously making changes to your phones internal software will void the warranty.
From:David nobody@nowhere.com
> I saw that too on their website. Called customer service today to > double check and they say that no, there is no video recording mode. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >>> Thanks. It was on the site at 7:30 this morning. It is now. David - 19 Jul 2005 15:52 GMT Ooopsie. Did some Googling this weekend and it looks like I had confused some proposed legislation from last year with actual law. When I had bought my camera cell phone last year, I remembered reading about all sorts of uproar about people being able to sneak photos while pretending to be on the phone, etc. I guess this was when cameras started becoming a common feature of cell phones. So looks like, from the articles I could find online, that there was proposed legislation in Congress to outlaw sneaked photos with cell phone cameras under skirts, in areas where people expect privacy, etc. and a proposal in California to require all cell phone cameras there to emit an audible noise. Couldn't find anything that indicated if any of the the proposed legislation passed or not, so I would assume it didn't. One of the articles I read did say that a law had been passed in South Korea requiring a noise from a cell phone camera, so I wouldn't doubt that Congress might try to pass a similar law here in the States.
-David
> I have mine set to silent so the only sound when a picture is taken is a > soft keypad beep. Which US regulators would have the authority to > mandate a certain type of sound when taking a picture anyway? It would > be totally unenforceable and would have to apply to ALL cameras and even > then would probably not be constitutional. Greg P - 19 Jul 2005 16:14 GMT >Ooopsie. Did some Googling this weekend and it looks like I had >confused some proposed legislation from last year with actual law. When [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >-David I remember the big hoopla about that. There was even a woman on national tv screaming because someone could sneak photos up her skirt with their phone without her knowing it. (Wouldn't she think it odd that someone talking on a telephone was up her skirt? People these days... no common sense I tell ya)
John Richards - 19 Jul 2005 20:37 GMT > I remember the big hoopla about that. There was even a woman on > national tv screaming because someone could sneak photos up her skirt > with their phone without her knowing it. (Wouldn't she think it odd > that someone talking on a telephone was up her skirt? People these > days... no common sense I tell ya) Yep. I would think that anything visible to a handheld camera is even more visible to the human eye. What's the big deal? One can see more skin exposure at any public beach or swimming pool.
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SFB - 16 Jul 2005 05:08 GMT I just checked online in HowardForums.com and everyone there states that the TMobile Razr does indeed come with 8 seconds video record capabilities. If you go to the online manual, which they told me about, on the TMO site.. it also details the video record capabilities...
I guess Customer service just doesn't know...
SFB
> I saw that too on their website. Called customer service today to > double check and they say that no, there is no video recording mode. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> >>>Thanks. It was on the site at 7:30 this morning. It is now. David - 19 Jul 2005 18:58 GMT I've seen both 15 seconds and eight seconds mentioned on HowardForums.com. Can someone who actually has the T-Mo version of the RAZR please clarify?
-David
> I just checked online in HowardForums.com and everyone there states that > the TMobile Razr does indeed come with 8 seconds video record > capabilities. brobin - 19 Jul 2005 19:03 GMT Just checked - I got 6 seconds. I'm going to flash a change to that and see if it helps.
> I've seen both 15 seconds and eight seconds mentioned on > HowardForums.com. Can someone who actually has the T-Mo version of the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> the TMobile Razr does indeed come with 8 seconds video record >> capabilities. Greg P - 12 Jul 2005 06:19 GMT I'm thinking about the razr to replace my v300, but I really don't know a whole lot about them. Good phone? How does it compare to others in the $200 price range? Pros/cons of the phone?
BruceR - 12 Jul 2005 06:41 GMT I can tell you that it's far superior to the v600 if that helps. Best phone I've ever owned in my 20+ years of carrying one.
From:Greg P curly@removethis.insightbb.com
> I'm thinking about the razr to replace my v300, but I really don't > know a whole lot about them. Good phone? How does it compare to others > in the $200 price range? Pros/cons of the phone? David - 13 Jul 2005 08:22 GMT > I can tell you that it's far superior to the v600 if that helps. Best > phone I've ever owned in my 20+ years of carrying one. Was wondering if you could please elaborate on the differences you find between the v600 vs. the Razr v3. I'm looking to get a new phone and those are two of my top choices.
Even though the v3 is thinner, I like that the v600 is not as wide as the v3. How do the pictures from the phone cameras compare?
Also, if there are any Mac users out there who own a Motorola phone, I'm looking to get a Motorola because they can sync contacts and calendars with Macs and my current Samsung phone can't. Apple's site indicates that both the v3 and v600 can sync contacts and calendars via iSync, but I've also read some posts from Mac users who sync their Motorola phones with their Macs using PC-emulators and PC software. Are there problems with using Mac's software? Also, is it possible to tranfer the pictures on the cell phone cameras to a Mac via USB or must one spend money to e-mail them to yourself?
Thanks, David
BruceR - 13 Jul 2005 09:36 GMT First, re the MAC interface, check out http://www.datapilot.com/mac_features.htm. I have the PC edition of Data Pilot and it's a very good program well supported and well worth the money. Works with both the v600 & the v3 (as well as most other phones). Allows picture transfers to your PC from the camera.
Now to the first part of your question. Having owned a v600 for about year before getting the v3, here are the differences as I see them. Others may see them differently:
Reception - markedly better. Marginal locations are much improved. Displays - FAR superior to the v600 unless they've upgraded it. Brighter, sharper lettering and clearer pictures. Extra width of phone means slightly larger screen size. Camera - better - but don't throw out your Nikon... or your Brownie. Size - The phone is the same width as the old StarTAC which, frankly, I find much easier to hold than the thinner but thicker v600. My hands are average size. Antenna - Internal antenna superior to external. Dosen't get stuck in your pocket and won't break off. Location is at bottom of phone further from eyeballs (I'm not saying that phone signals will hurt you; only mentioning it because of claims made by some that they may). Screens - the screen windows both inside and out are made of the same type of scratch resistant material as used in fine watch crystals. After 8 months both screens are absolutely perfect on the v3. The v600 uses a plastic film that scratches easily. In fact, after a few months the outline of the keypad is permanently etched to the screen. Case - The metal case on the v3 is strong and scratch resistant. Still looks new even after a couple of drops. The v600 metal parts are good but the big plastic piece in the center tends to develop cracks near the hinge and scuffs easily. Keypad - Easier (again for ME) to dial on the v3. Letters are harder to read but I don't text much.
Hope that's detailed enough ;o) To me the v600 (now a 2+ year old phone) appears old and clunky (once again to ME) while the Razr, approaching it's first birthday, is still an outstanding looking phone. While I wouldn't tolerate poor quality for style, it's nice to have both. Motorola really outdid themselves with this phone and if I lost mine I'd buy another in a heartbeat.
I'm sure others will have some different opinions and what I see as good another may find not so good - that's why they still sell both! The v600 is not a bad phone by any means but the v3 is a worth evolution in a damn fine lookin' package.
From:David nobody@nowhere.com
>> I can tell you that it's far superior to the v600 if that helps. Best >> phone I've ever owned in my 20+ years of carrying one. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Thanks, > David David - 14 Jul 2005 09:17 GMT BruceR,
Thanks for your informative side-by-side comparison of the v3 and v600. Very insightful and persuasive.
Data Pilot looks promising too and actually it does seem to do what I'd want in terms of synching, which might make make the need for me to change phones less urgent. But you've done such good job at selling me on the Razr, how can I resist? :-)
Thanks again, David
BruceR - 14 Jul 2005 11:36 GMT Glad to be of some help.
From:David nobody@nowhere.com
> BruceR, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks again, > David Art Gorski - 14 Jul 2005 00:08 GMT > Also, if there are any Mac users out there who own a Motorola phone, > I'm looking to get a Motorola because they can sync contacts and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Motorola phones with their Macs using PC-emulators and PC software. Are > there problems with using Mac's software? I don't believe the Moto has a complete address book that will iSync street addresses or multiple phone numbers per contact. If you need that then look at the Nokia Series 60 or SE P9x0 phones which will exactly sync whats on your Mac including address book pictures.
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Greg P - 14 Jul 2005 00:11 GMT Well, I went down to the tmobile place at the mall today. They'd just gotten in a razr and I played around with it. It does seem like a nice little phone. A bit wider than my v300, though. Not sure I like that.
I'm sitting here trying to decide if I want to shell out the $200 to get one of these. I am going to need a new phone soon... lol
BruceR - 14 Jul 2005 05:38 GMT You'll get used to the extra width quickly. It's actually easier to hold on to. Same as the old StarTAC. The thinness makes it easy to carry in your pocket without a bulge. After having mine since November, I'm still enthused about it.
From:Greg P curly@removethis.insightbb.com
> Well, I went down to the tmobile place at the mall today. They'd just > gotten in a razr and I played around with it. It does seem like a nice > little phone. A bit wider than my v300, though. Not sure I like that. > > I'm sitting here trying to decide if I want to shell out the $200 to > get one of these. I am going to need a new phone soon... lol
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