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Matt Packwood - 30 Jul 2005 15:15 GMT

Any more news on services after GPRS (EDGE for example)?

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Felipe Garcia - 30 Jul 2005 18:28 GMT

edge is being rolled out. we have it in nyc. there are thread in
howardforums about it also.

> Any more news on services after GPRS (EDGE for example)?
>
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Steve Sobol - 30 Jul 2005 18:42 GMT

> edge is being rolled out. we have it in nyc. there are thread in
> howardforums about it also.

Any timeframe for the rest of the country??

**Steve in the desert outside Los Angeles

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Felipe Garcia - 30 Jul 2005 23:23 GMT

this post shows places where users say they have seen edge speeds.

http://www.howardforums.com/showpost.php?p=5546688&postcount=222

it seems to be rolling out as they are doing the voice mail conversions.

>> edge is being rolled out. we have it in nyc. there are thread in
>> howardforums about it also.
>
> Any timeframe for the rest of the country??
>
> **Steve in the desert outside Los Angeles

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Steve Sobol - 30 Jul 2005 23:44 GMT

> this post shows places where users say they have seen edge speeds.
>
> http://www.howardforums.com/showpost.php?p=5546688&postcount=222
>
> it seems to be rolling out as they are doing the voice mail conversions.

How richly ironic. Los Angeles isn't on the list, Cleveland is, and when
VoiceStream/T-Mobile *finally* launched in Cleveland, back before I moved
from there, Cleveland was the last of the 25 biggest cities in the US to get
GSM. :)

Of course, that list *is* a year old...

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John Davison - 05 Aug 2005 21:03 GMT

Steve, look at the list again. The first item is "MOST of California
(Some eastern parts are a no go)". So yes, you do have EDGE speeds in
LA.

~J.

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Steve Sobol - 05 Aug 2005 23:26 GMT

> Steve, look at the list again. The first item is "MOST of California
> (Some eastern parts are a no go)". So yes, you do have EDGE speeds in
> LA.

Technically, I'm more southeast than southwest. I'm about two hours west of
the AZ state line, and almost three hours east of the coast.

But when I'm ready to actually use data I will have to check into whether we
have EDGE here. Of course, I believe my v188 does only GPRS, but within a
year or so I'm getting another phone to replace it.

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R. P. - 31 Jul 2005 00:37 GMT

Hm, interesting ...
Do you also have a list of T-Mo phones that are EDGE capable?

Rudy

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Felipe Garcia - 31 Jul 2005 12:24 GMT

i'm affraid not.

>> this post shows places where users say they have seen edge speeds.
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> Rudy

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R. P. - 02 Aug 2005 01:36 GMT

> i'm affraid not.

Come to think of it, I've read a news item recently about an interview
with the German CEO of T-Mobile (or its parent) where he said that they
were delaying 3G deployment in the US because they were waiting for some
new freqencies the Feds are about to auction off. 3G needs that for the
extra bandwidth. So how come T-Mobile is already deploying EDGE before
they got any of those new frequency licenses?

Rudy

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Steve Sobol - 02 Aug 2005 02:17 GMT

>> i'm affraid not.
>
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> extra bandwidth. So how come T-Mobile is already deploying EDGE before
> they got any of those new frequency licenses?

EDGE isn't 3G, is it? Is CDMA 1xRTT considered 3G?

3G will ultimately mean UMTS in the GSM world. no?

My T-Mo account is the first account on which I've ever used GSM phones, so
I'm drawing on my experience as a user of several CDMA carriers over the
past ten years. CDMA 1xRTT - Sprint PCS Vision and Verizon Wireless
NationalAccess - run at ISDN speeds and has a couple limitations, and is
considered 2.5G. EDGE is closer to CDMA 1xRTT than CDMA 1xEV in specs, as
far as I know.

Please forgive my ignorance of GSM data services.

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R. P. - 03 Aug 2005 03:53 GMT

> EDGE isn't 3G, is it? Is CDMA 1xRTT considered 3G?
>
> 3G will ultimately mean UMTS in the GSM world. no?

Yes, you're right, of course. I've been hearing so much about EDGE and
so little about UMTS, that I mixed them up. I guess EDGE would be 2G, or
something like that.

> My T-Mo account is the first account on which I've ever used GSM
> phones, so I'm drawing on my experience as a user of several CDMA
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> Please forgive my ignorance of GSM data services.

Actually, I am the one who needs forgiveness. ;-)

Rudy

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Steve Sobol - 03 Aug 2005 06:16 GMT

>> EDGE isn't 3G, is it? Is CDMA 1xRTT considered 3G?
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> so little about UMTS, that I mixed them up. I guess EDGE would be 2G, or
> something like that.

I'd imagine so. Although as admitted previously, you could fit my knowledge
of GSM data on a pinhead and still have room for the entire text of the King
James version of the Bible. ;)

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Donald Newcomb - 04 Aug 2005 22:52 GMT

> . So how come T-Mobile is already deploying EDGE before
> they got any of those new frequency licenses?

EDGE is not 3G and it runs in the same 200 kHz AFRC that a GSM RF channel
would use. WCDMA requires 10 (2x5) MHz per channel and three channels or 30
MHz for full deployment. This is why I predict that T-Mobile will build
their #G solution on TD-CDMA, which is much more spectrum efficient.

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Bruce Markowitz - 06 Aug 2005 02:04 GMT

OK< so how does one get EDGE in NYC?
I already have GPRS, what do I need to do for EDGE?

>Any more news on services after GPRS (EDGE for example)?
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Felipe Garcia - 06 Aug 2005 02:31 GMT

a phone that supports it.

> OK< so how does one get EDGE in NYC?
> I already have GPRS, what do I need to do for EDGE?
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Bruce Markowitz - 06 Aug 2005 22:35 GMT

And does anyone have a list of phones that support it?

>a phone that supports it.
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Steve Sobol - 06 Aug 2005 22:43 GMT

> And does anyone have a list of phones that support it?

I'm sure there is a list somewhere. I'm equally sure that no T-Mo phones are
on it right now. :)

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R. P. - 06 Aug 2005 22:59 GMT

> I'm sure there is a list somewhere. I'm equally sure that no T-Mo
> phones are on it right now. :)

Figures ... So what's the point in T-Mo rolling out EDGE?

Rudy

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Steve Sobol - 07 Aug 2005 01:37 GMT

>> I'm sure there is a list somewhere. I'm equally sure that no T-Mo
>> phones are on it right now. :)
>
> Figures ... So what's the point in T-Mo rolling out EDGE?

Well, Verizon EVDO phones weren't sold until they officially rolled out the
service...

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Cyrus Afzali - 16 Aug 2005 14:26 GMT

>> I'm sure there is a list somewhere. I'm equally sure that no T-Mo
>> phones are on it right now. :)
>
>Figures ... So what's the point in T-Mo rolling out EDGE?

They won't get decent prices from carriers until they can start buying
them in bulk. There's no need to do that until EDGE is available
across their coverage area.

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R. P. - 17 Aug 2005 03:25 GMT

> They won't get decent prices from carriers until they can start buying
> them in bulk. There's no need to do that until EDGE is available
> across their coverage area.

OK, I'll buy that.

R. P.

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Mobile Hater - 16 Aug 2005 19:23 GMT

>> And does anyone have a list of phones that support it?
>
> I'm sure there is a list somewhere. I'm equally sure that no T-Mo phones
> are on it right now. :)

Phonescoop's (www.phonescoop.com) phone finder can identify all T-mobile
phones which have EDGE capability, e.g.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/finder_results.php?m=s&car=1&ca_5=y&f30r=r&f30_2=y

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R. P. - 17 Aug 2005 03:30 GMT

> Phonescoop's (www.phonescoop.com) phone finder can identify all
> T-mobile phones which have EDGE capability, e.g.
>
> http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/finder_results.php?m=s&car=1&ca_5=y&f30r=r&f30_2=y

Hm, according to this Web site my V330 is EDGE capable. Hard to believe
even though I'd like to. ;-)

Rudy

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Steve Sobol - 17 Aug 2005 04:54 GMT

> Hm, according to this Web site my V330 is EDGE capable. Hard to believe
> even though I'd like to. ;-)

Well, who's to say that T-Mobile just doesn't have that functionality in
their current V330s?

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