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T-Mobile Web - on laptop?

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Jerry Cloe - 17 Feb 2006 06:46 GMT
If I get the USB cable for my phone, (nokia 6800), OR if I upgrade to a
bluetooth phone, can I web browse, etc on my laptop or PDA (both have
bluetooth) using the $5 "T-Mobile Web"?

I've heard both answers for this.  When I talked to T-Mobile, they seemed to
get confused and wanted to sell me Wifi hotspot access.  (Yes, I know what
this is, and NO, I dont want it).

I'm looking for something basic that will work where I can get a T-Mobile
signal.  I dont really need too much speed (I understand T-Mobiles offering
to be slightly slower than dialup??), and I probably wont use it that often
(once or twice a month tops).

Am I looking at the right thing?  What, if anything, do I need to tell
T-Mobile?

If this isn't the right way, whats a CHEAP way to get basic internet for
when I'm out and about?
Cyrus Afzali - 17 Feb 2006 19:16 GMT
>If I get the USB cable for my phone, (nokia 6800), OR if I upgrade to a
>bluetooth phone, can I web browse, etc on my laptop or PDA (both have
>bluetooth) using the $5 "T-Mobile Web"?

No. What is now called T-Mobile Web is essentially just WAP access
that you can add to any device that supports it. What you need for the
full Internet on your laptop is T-Mobile Internet. I don't know of
anything except the PCMCIA cards that will give you full GPRS access
on  your laptop. There is a way to rig a standard cell phone to a
laptop to do circuit-switched data (basically like a dialup modem),
but I'm not sure this is supported anymore.

>I've heard both answers for this.  When I talked to T-Mobile, they seemed to
>get confused and wanted to sell me Wifi hotspot access.  (Yes, I know what
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>to be slightly slower than dialup??), and I probably wont use it that often
>(once or twice a month tops).

Then it's going to be very expensive, because no major provider offers
a pay-as-you-go plan for this kind of access. I am a T-Mobile voice
customer, but have a data plan with Verizon Wireless, and I pay $40 a
month no matter how much or little I use it.

>Am I looking at the right thing?  What, if anything, do I need to tell
>T-Mobile?
>
>If this isn't the right way, whats a CHEAP way to get basic internet for
>when I'm out and about?

Get a device like a Web-enabled PDA (Treo, Blackberry, iPaq) that
offers full Web functionality. Then, you just have to add the $20 a
month T-Mobile Internet plan to your account and you're in business.
Mike Schumann - 18 Feb 2006 01:36 GMT
I use Circuit Switch Data to make dial up calls to my ISP for internet
access.  It comes out of your voice minutes.  It is painfully slow (9,600
bps).  But it's better than nothing.  You can do this with all phones that
have built in modems.

Mike Schumann

>>If I get the USB cable for my phone, (nokia 6800), OR if I upgrade to a
>>bluetooth phone, can I web browse, etc on my laptop or PDA (both have
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> offers full Web functionality. Then, you just have to add the $20 a
> month T-Mobile Internet plan to your account and you're in business.
MS - 23 Feb 2006 03:26 GMT
True. If you have a dial-up Internet account (many people don't these days,
who have DSL or cable Internet), you can use the phone as a modem to dial up
to your ISP. It will only count as minutes, and I don't think you need any
Internet plan for that, and certainly not the expensive one. It is very slow
though.

> I use Circuit Switch Data to make dial up calls to my ISP for internet
> access.  It comes out of your voice minutes.  It is painfully slow (9,600
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> > offers full Web functionality. Then, you just have to add the $20 a
> > month T-Mobile Internet plan to your account and you're in business.
Johnnie Leung - 18 Feb 2006 07:12 GMT
> What you need for the
> full Internet on your laptop is T-Mobile Internet. I don't know of
> anything except the PCMCIA cards that will give you full GPRS access
> on  your laptop. There is a way to rig a standard cell phone to a
> laptop to do circuit-switched data (basically like a dialup modem),
> but I'm not sure this is supported anymore.

What's that supposed to mean?  Many people (myself included) use GPRS on
laptops by connecting them to ordinary phones ('tethering').  The phone just
needs to have a suitable connection --  Bluetooth, USB, serial, IR, etc.

JL
Cyrus Afzali - 21 Feb 2006 13:59 GMT
>> What you need for the
>> full Internet on your laptop is T-Mobile Internet. I don't know of
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>laptops by connecting them to ordinary phones ('tethering').  The phone just
>needs to have a suitable connection --  Bluetooth, USB, serial, IR, etc.

I wouldn't recommend doing it with IR -- maybe Bluetooth is good
enough now to do it. Obviously serial would work, but I've never had a
device that supported this capability. To me, if you really need data,
you should go with a laptop card, as that will cause the fewest
problems.
Bruce Markowitz - 26 Feb 2006 01:05 GMT
Nope. Infrared works great, as does Bluetooth

>>> What you need for the
>>> full Internet on your laptop is T-Mobile Internet. I don't know of
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>you should go with a laptop card, as that will cause the fewest
>problems.
Vlad Andreyev - 18 Feb 2006 17:51 GMT
Yes, you can do this.  However, don't expect any support from T-Mobile.
There are basically three things you will need to do on your laptop or PDA:
install the modem driver for your phone, configure the proxy server address
in your web browser, and create a dial-up connection.  The driver makes your
laptop recognize the phone as a modem, whether they connect via a cable or
Bluetooth.  There are different drivers for different connection types, but
they are usually included in one bundle, and the Nokia PC Suite includes
them all.  Make sure to download the latest version compatible with your
phone.  I've never owned a PDA, so I'm not sure how exactly it's done with
them, but you have to accomplish the same goal: make it see the phone as a
modem.  Then, you go into the browser settings and enter the same proxy
server IP address as you have configured in your phone's WAP profile
settings.  Next, you create a normal dial-up connection, like you would for
a dial-up ISP, except you enter #99 as the phone number to dial.  This will
get you on the Internet using T-Mobile's EDGE network, which is roughly
twice the speed of traditional dial-up service.  You will be able to browse
the vast majority of web sites and use e-mail, but streaming media, VPN, and
things of that nature will not work, because the service is really intended
for WAP-enabled phones, and T-Mobile blocks other uses on purpose.  If you
need more details, let me know...

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If I get the USB cable for my phone, (nokia 6800), OR if I upgrade to a
bluetooth phone, can I web browse, etc on my laptop or PDA (both have
bluetooth) using the $5 "T-Mobile Web"?

I've heard both answers for this.  When I talked to T-Mobile, they seemed to
get confused and wanted to sell me Wifi hotspot access.  (Yes, I know what
this is, and NO, I dont want it).

I'm looking for something basic that will work where I can get a T-Mobile
signal.  I dont really need too much speed (I understand T-Mobiles offering
to be slightly slower than dialup??), and I probably wont use it that often
(once or twice a month tops).

Am I looking at the right thing?  What, if anything, do I need to tell
T-Mobile?

If this isn't the right way, whats a CHEAP way to get basic internet for
when I'm out and about?
Bruce Markowitz - 20 Feb 2006 23:57 GMT
You can use most anything that is "blocked" by running AOL over Tc/IP
and then using the AOL browser. Stuff like Google won't work in IE on
T-Mo INternet, but it does work over AOL over TMo Internet

>Yes, you can do this.  However, don't expect any support from T-Mobile.
>There are basically three things you will need to do on your laptop or PDA:
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>If this isn't the right way, whats a CHEAP way to get basic internet for
>when I'm out and about?
Dan - 19 Feb 2006 07:34 GMT
> If I get the USB cable for my phone, (nokia 6800), OR if I upgrade to a
> bluetooth phone, can I web browse, etc on my laptop or PDA (both have
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> If this isn't the right way, whats a CHEAP way to get basic internet for
> when I'm out and about?

Depending on factors, if you can't browse the web after you connect, you
have port 80 blocked. Use the tmobile proxy to get around that.
216.155.165.50 port 8080 (port 8080 is wide open on the $5.00 plan. Some
people have port 80 access, some don't. I do, so i know it can happen.)
zantosh - 23 Feb 2006 01:38 GMT
The $5 T-Mobile web plan is only WAP.  T-Mobile has implemented EDGE.
It gives me almost 500 Kbps throughput on my cell phone.  I got me the
Samsung t809 phone, and you can hook it up to your laptop either via
the included cable or a bluetooth card.  Either way, it connects to the
network using EDGE instead of GPRS.  The increase in speed is great, I
can do full color remote desktop without any problems, and can load
multiple webpages simultaneously in firefox tabs in a very reasonable
amount of time (seconds in cases).

However the first many times you use it, it seems to have to calibrate
the speed of the downloads so it seems slow and then quickly picks up
speed.

I have the unlimited data plan on top of my voice plan, which works out
to an additional $30 per month.  It's not the cheapest but it works so
well that I love it.  

- Z -
MS - 23 Feb 2006 03:26 GMT
You are confusing WAP with GPRS.

Yes, you can connect via EDGE with T-Zones or T-Mobile web. There might be
some disadvantages to that over the full data plan, but for the OP, looking
for occasional use and not wanting to spend much, that is the best way to
go, IMO.

If you to connect a laptop to the Internet that way, you most likely will
have to configure the T-Zones proxy server in your web browser, in order to
access web sites.

I would suggest you look at the T-Mobile forum at:

www.howardforums.com

as there is a lot of info there on how to do that.

> The $5 T-Mobile web plan is only WAP.  T-Mobile has implemented EDGE.
> It gives me almost 500 Kbps throughput on my cell phone.  I got me the
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> - Z -
youth - 24 Feb 2006 22:58 GMT
> The $5 T-Mobile web plan is only WAP.  T-Mobile has implemented EDGE.
> It gives me almost 500 Kbps throughput on my cell phone.  I got me the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> multiple webpages simultaneously in firefox tabs in a very reasonable
> amount of time (seconds in cases).

You sure that speed you're seeing is the actual internet speed or just the BT
speed? With my Motorolla V330 I can get around 90Kbps EDGE through BT though the
laptop says much higher.

g'day
youth
MS - 28 Feb 2006 03:25 GMT
> It gives me almost 500 Kbps throughput on my cell phone.

That speed is quite hard to believe. I don't yet have an EDGE enabled phone
myself (I plan on getting one soon), but from what I read, although EDGE is
certainly faster than GPRS, it's not anywhere near that fast, perhaps
similar to or a little faster than home dial-up speeds (50-100kbps, for
example), nothing approaching 500kbps, and is not considered broadband.

The EvDo data networks, for instance Verizon, are much faster (more
expensive though too), and is considered broadband.

Also, from what I read, there is a new faster protocol for GSM phones, much
faster than EDGE, called HSPDA. However, it's far from being widespread yet.
Cingular is just starting to test it in places on their network, and
T-Mobile is far behind, not even starting anything with it before 2007. (I
would say that's a mistake for T-Mobile--being behind all the other carriers
in terms of high speed data service won't be good for their business.)

So---why do you think you are getting data speeds of almost 500 kbps on your
T-Mobile phone?
Johnnie Leung - 28 Feb 2006 06:08 GMT
> Also, from what I read, there is a new faster protocol for GSM phones,
> much
> faster than EDGE, called HSPDA. However, it's far from being widespread
> yet.

You can't implement HSDPA under GSM.  HSDPA is a UMTS (3G) extension.
Cingular has already deployed UMTS in certain markets which is why they can
do it.

JL
Dan - 01 Mar 2006 22:31 GMT
>> It gives me almost 500 Kbps throughput on my cell phone.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> similar to or a little faster than home dial-up speeds (50-100kbps, for
> example), nothing approaching 500kbps, and is not considered broadband.
My gc89 on t-mobile (sony ericsson edge pcmcia card, class 10, upto 236.8
kbit/s) gets 125-200kbps most of the time. Much faster than using normal
gprs but the latency is pretty bad still.
Mimo169 - 10 Mar 2006 20:23 GMT
How are you testing your speed and what area are you in?  500 Kbps
sounds way to fast for EDGE.  According to T-Mobile support, I won't
get anything faster than 140kbps... I'm getting about 130kbps on my new
SDA in areas with good signal.

My next task is trying to get my lap top connected on the EDGE network
via bluetooth.  T-Mobile support told me the SDA or MDA don't support a
bluetooth modem connection (only via USB cable), but I'm going to try
to find a way to do it.

Thanks!

-Alex

> The $5 T-Mobile web plan is only WAP.  T-Mobile has implemented EDGE.
> It gives me almost 500 Kbps throughput on my cell phone.  I got me the
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> - Z -
artmoe@gmail.com - 24 Mar 2006 04:32 GMT
Hi Alex, if you ever get your laptop connected to the internet on the
EDGE network via bluetooth then please post it here. Also, do you know
the steps needed in order to use the Tmobile SDA as a modem via USB to
get internet access on a laptop. Thanks.
 
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