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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / T-Mobile / December 2006ActiveSync over air charges
How does t-mobile charge for ActiveSync over the air? I do not have a data plan. I have an SDA that has WIFI. When configuring the firewall at work to allow ActiveSync over the air, I noticed when I was syncing that it would sometimes sync from my WIFI connection, and sometimes via T-Mobile's proxy. Normally I don't get any data access since I don't have a data plan, however I can activesync with WIFI turned off. The online site shows my text messages, but shows no charges/activity for Activesync on the current pending month. I don't want to be surprised at the end of the month. Do they charge a flat data rate for those without a data package? > How does t-mobile charge for ActiveSync over the air? I do not have a > data plan. You are unintentionally exploiting a temporary "hole" in T-Mo's data system right now. T-Mo has essentially left the proverbial barn door open and all T-Mo accounts can access data over their system. > Normally I don't get any data access since I don't have a data plan, > however I can activesync with WIFI turned off. Enjoy it while it lasts. You should also have access to web-browsing and POP/IMAP e-mail as well. > The online site shows > my text messages, but shows no charges/activity for Activesync on the > current pending month. No T-Mo data plans are metered- they're all unlimited, so T-Mo generally doesn't report data usage, just as a buffet restaurant bill doesn't show what you ate! > I don't want to be surprised at the end of the > month. You won't be. > Do they charge a flat data rate for those without a data package? No- those without a data plan (normally) do not have any data access, other than T-Mo's limited WAP "garden" with account info and ringtone/wallpaper "store." Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:elj471$hge$1 @aioe.org: > system right now. > > T-Mo has essentially left the proverbial barn door open and all T-Mo > accounts can access data over their system. I don't think it's quite that way but close. You can do almost everything with T-Zones that you can with the full data plan. I don't think T-Zones supports direct POP3/SMTP though. AFAKI, you have to go through TM's IMAP connector to your POP3 account. But it supports up to 3 POP accounts so I ain't complaining.  SignatureSven Golly Yah sure by gosh by yumpin' yiminy Trolling as usual Change the "_" to "." to reply by email > > all T-Mo > > accounts can access data over their system. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I > ain't complaining. Sounds like we're talking about two different things right now- first, T- Zones (actually I've been corrected- it's now called "T-Mobile Web") does offers full IMAP, POP and SMTP support. I use nothing but my WinMo phone's e-mail client with 4 IMAP accounts, a POP account, and a "push" e- mail account. However, if your POP mail provider doesn't allow access to their SMTP server from "foreign" servers (like T-Mo) then you'd have to use the connector you described because T-Mo doesn't provide their own SMTP server AFAIK. Second, the situation I pointed out above is a temporary one that exists right now- T-Mo has apparently stopped authenticating accounts on their WAP apn these last ouple of weeks, so it's a "free ride" (albeit a slow one- speed has dropped 50%) on T-Mo data for any T-Mo customer who can disable the T-Mo proxy on their phone. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:4581844a$0$15441 $88260bb3@free.teranews.com: > Second, the situation I pointed out above is a temporary one that exists > right now- T-Mo has apparently stopped authenticating accounts on their > WAP apn these last ouple of weeks, so it's a "free ride" (albeit a slow > one- speed has dropped 50%) on T-Mo data for any T-Mo customer who can > disable the T-Mo proxy on their phone. Any pointers to doing this? SignatureSven Golly Trolling as usual Remove the _ to reply by email > > so it's a "free ride" (albeit a slow > > one- speed has dropped 50%) on T-Mo data for any T-Mo customer who can > > disable the T-Mo proxy on their phone. > > Any pointers to doing this? Not any good ones- high end "smart" phones can pull it off (my T-Mo MDA, for example) and my unlocked AT&T-branded Nokia 3620 can for example (in fact, it took me an hour to figure out where to PUT the proxy on that phone to get T-Zones to work in the first place!) My lower-end phones don't seem to have a proxy setting (Nok 3120, 6610, 6010) so those are stuck w/limited T-Mo Web. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:45833358$0$15435 $88260bb3@free.teranews.com: > Not any good ones- high end "smart" phones can pull it off (my T-Mo MDA, > for example) and my unlocked AT&T-branded Nokia 3620 can for example (in > fact, it took me an hour to figure out where to PUT the proxy on that > phone to get T-Zones to work in the first place!) I have a T-Mobile SDA. Similar to the MDA but without the keyboard. SignatureSven Golly Yah sure by gosh by yumpin' yiminy Trolling as usual Change the "_" to "." to reply by email > I have a T-Mobile SDA. Similar to the MDA but without the keyboard. Your menus are a little different, I told, but in the MDA's "connections" app, you edit the "T-Mobile Data" connection and uncheck the "this network uses a proxy server to connect to the internet" box under the "Set up my proxy server" menu. Alernatively, you can create a new connection (I called mine "Free T- Zones") and don't enter a proxy- just specify the wap.voicestream.com APN and leave everything else blank. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:458577cd$0$15421 $88260bb3@free.teranews.com: > Your menus are a little different, I told, but in the MDA's "connections" > app, you edit the "T-Mobile Data" connection and uncheck the "this [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Zones") and don't enter a proxy- just specify the wap.voicestream.com APN > and leave everything else blank. I'll give it a shot to see what happens. SignatureSven Golly Yah sure by gosh by yumpin' yiminy Trolling as usual Change the "_" to "." to reply by email I have a T-Mobile SDA with NO data plans of any type. Not the unlimited, not T-Mobile web, nothing. I can surf the Internet via GRPS (is that the right term?) though in the past I have not been able to. This is great, as long as T-Mobile doesn't come back and try to charge me for this. I'll fight that. I have 802.11 on the SDA and I have access to WIFI in the places I use my phone. My concern was that while configuring the firewall at work for ActiveSync over the air I had noticed that my traffic was coming from both the WIFI network's IP address as well as t-Mobiles. While WIFI was enabled. That caused some grief as I'd only opened up ActiveSync to the work's IP address, initially. Anyway, it would be nice if they would leave it this way. Even if I only get 5Kb/s, it be nice to be included on the plan. I just can't see paying $30/mo per phone to get Internet access while I am also paying $70/mo for cable and Internet. > I have a T-Mobile SDA with NO data plans of any type. Not the > unlimited, not T-Mobile web, nothing. > > I can surf the Internet via GRPS (is that the right term?) though in > the past I have not been able to. It's (I assume) a temporary situation while T-Mo does some upgrading. This happened once a few years ago and lasted a couple of months. > This is great, as long as T-Mobile doesn't come back and try to charge > me for this. No, it'll just stop working one day. > Anyway, it would be nice if they would leave it this way. Even if I > only get 5Kb/s, it be nice to be included on the plan. I wouldn't count on it! ;-) > I just can't > see paying $30/mo per phone to get Internet access while I am also > paying $70/mo for cable and Internet. How about $6/month? Just sign up for "T-Mobile Web." It allows Exchange sync and e-mail plus web-browsing via a T-Mo proxy server- 216.155.165.50:8080. It's the best value in mobile data. BTW, there's a T-Mo usenet group at alt.cellular.t-mobile now if you didn't know. Ask your news provider to carry it if they don't. The Voicestream group has been getting progressively quieter these days! ;-) SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>BTW, there's a T-Mo usenet group at alt.cellular.t-mobile now if you >>didn't know. Ask your news provider to carry it if they don't. The >>Voicestream group has been getting progressively quieter these days! ;-) I have asked Google several times, but they refused to add it. I can read via my NNTP account from my ISP, but that account is read only. edavid3001@gmail.com wrote in news:1166651472.566187.144250 @n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com: > I have asked Google several times, but they refused to add it. I can > read via my NNTP account from my ISP, but that account is read only. Yeah well I have people who post from GG almost killfilled. Not quite but almost. Seems to me that 75% of their posts are spam or drivel. Not yours but 75%. So my killfile rule for GG posters is set to -7500. SignatureSven Golly Yah sure by gosh by yumpin' yiminy Trolling as usual Change the "_" to "." to reply by email > Alernatively, you can create a new connection (I called mine "Free T- > Zones") and don't enter a proxy- just specify the wap.voicestream.com > APN and leave everything else blank. Is this under Settings / Connections / GPRS?? I have T-Mobile GPRS in there already and that's the way it's already set up. SignatureSven Golly Trolling as usual Remove the _ to reply by email > Is this under Settings / Connections / GPRS?? I have T-Mobile GPRS in > there already and that's the way it's already set up. As I said, the MDA and SDA are different. I can create a gazillion different "Connections" on the MDA and select which to use. (Most likely a holdover from the days PPC's didn't have phones built-in. On prior PPCs I had different settings for dial-up ISPs in different cities, settings for connecting through cellphones via bluetooth or IR, etc. So, on the MDA I have two different "networks" set up- one without the proxy and one with. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:458b4240$0$15502 $88260bb3@free.teranews.com: > As I said, the MDA and SDA are different. I can create a gazillion > different "Connections" on the MDA and select which to use. On the SDA, there are about 6 different Connection types including Bluetooth, IRDA, WiFI, GPRS, Phone, Modem etc. each of which can have multiple connections. SignatureSven Golly Yah sure by gosh by yumpin' yiminy Trolling as usual Change the "_" to "." to reply by email > On the SDA, there are about 6 different Connection types including > Bluetooth, IRDA, WiFI, GPRS, Phone, Modem etc. each of which can have > multiple connections. Then I assume you'd create a GPRS connection with the wap.voicestream.com apn and no proxy. Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:eml8pa$ivq$1 @aioe.org: > Then I assume you'd create a GPRS connection with the wap.voicestream.com > apn and no proxy. OK, so I'm already set up that way. :-) SignatureSven Golly Yah sure by gosh by yumpin' yiminy Trolling as usual Change the "_" to "." to reply by email > Sounds like we're talking about two different things right now- > first, T- Zones (actually I've been corrected- it's now called > "T-Mobile Web") > does offers full IMAP, POP and SMTP support. I have just the basic T-MobileWeb (described below). Are you sure you can setup a direct POP account with it? http://www.gruups.com/tzones/ What are all the different T-MobileWeb (the new T-Zones) Plans. T-Zones (free) - Shouldn't be called T-Zones. Just gives you access to an e-commerce store to buy ringtones, wallpapers and games from t- mobile. Nothing else, and is the reason why the service I've writting about is now called T-MobileWeb and not T-Zones any more T-MobileWeb ($5.99/Month) What we are talking about in this article. It gives you access to Every website on the internet (even secure ones through HTTPS), Also gives you access to your POP3 Email (this is also shown in this article) T-MobileWeb Pro ($9.99) - Same as the "unlimited" plan but ads access to Emails servers without having to go through the myemail.t-mobile.com gateway (maybe even Exchange synchronization) SignatureSven Golly Trolling as usual Remove the _ to reply by email > I have just the basic T-MobileWeb (described below). Are you sure you > can setup a direct POP account with it? > > http://www.gruups.com/tzones/ Excellent page, BTW. In all fairness, I can't confirm nor deny. Upon checking my account info online, I actually have the old $4.99 "T-Zones" (which indeed does have unlimited POP/IMAP/SMTP access) not the current $5.99 T-Mobile Web. Back in those days, however, there was a $9.99 "T-Zones Pro", which purported to add "corporate e-mail" which no one at T-Mo CS (when I signed up) could explain how that differed from the $4.99 package except to say it had "something to do with Lotus mail." I suspect, however, that the T-Mobile Web plan has POP/IMAP, since the HoFo'ers haven't screamed otherwise, and many have used their unused POP/IMAP ports to "tunnel" to their own personal proxy servers on their home PCs to bypass the limitations of T-Mo's proxy (mostly the 1MB file download limit.) If you want to test it, go ahead and try to access your e-mail when tethered, or go to AOL and get a free IMAP account (in your settings use imap.aol.com and smtp.aol.com for your servers, check the "use authentication" box for SMTP and give it a whirl. Also, it's interesting to note, back when I signed up for T-Zones, no proxy was necessary, because port 80 (the http port) was open but https DIDN'T work. After they put the proxy in, https worked through the proxy, so IMHO, the 1MB download limit was a worthwhile trade for https access. (Frankly, even with EDGE, large downloads are no picnic, but it's nice not having to use a dial-up ISP over 9.6kbps CSD to do https online banking like I used to have to!) ;-) SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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