Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / T-Mobile / January 2008
tzones or proxy on dash, blackberry, or shadow?
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DK1000 - 29 Dec 2007 01:55 GMT Hi,
I was in my local T-Mobile store today, and I was looking at especially the Dash and the Shadow which I heard are pretty much the same phone. They said I needed the $20 a month Internet plan, that I couldn't use the $4.99 unlimited t-zones plan I presently have. Right now I have a Nokia 3650, and can more or less surf the "regular" Net with Doris Browser. I read to put a proxy in the phone that it will work. Will I be able to use t-zones and/or the proxy with a Dash or Shadow, if I only kept the $4.99 a month plan. I use that feature very sparingly, just in urgent situations, and did use it at all for example the last 2 months. I can't justify paying $20 monthly for a feature I only use once in a while. Does T-Moble require you to get the $20 plan? That's the feeling I got. Thanks much.
Todd Allcock - 29 Dec 2007 02:48 GMT
> I was in my local T-Mobile store today, and I was looking at > especially the Dash and the Shadow which I heard are pretty much the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > work. Will I be able to use t-zones and/or the proxy with a Dash or > Shadow, if I only kept the $4.99 a month plan. Yes. My wife uses the proxy on a Dash, and I do on my MDA.
Having said that, there are somethings that don't work the proxy- like streaming audio/video, downloads over 900kb, and any internet apps (other than e-mail) that don't use HTTP (like a Usenet newsreader, for example!)
> I use that feature very sparingly, just in urgent situations, and did > use it at all for example the last 2 months. I can't justify paying > $20 monthly for a feature I only use once in a while. Does T-Moble > require you to get the $20 plan? That's the feeling I got. Thanks much. Just tell them (as I did) that you don't want to buy any data plan for the new phone, but wish to keep the $4.99 plan anyway for when you use the SIM in your 3650, and you realize that the $4.99 "won't work" with the Dash or Shadow.
That gets them off your back (there's a new "rule" at T-Mo that reps aren't supposed to activate the $5 plan on Windows Mobile phones, so you're better off playing dumb and "agreeing" it won't work.)
DK1000 - 29 Dec 2007 20:08 GMT > > I was in my local T-Mobile store today, and I was looking at > > especially the Dash and the Shadow which I heard are pretty much the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > supposed to activate the $5 plan on Windows Mobile phones, so you're better > off playing dumb and "agreeing" it won't work.) Thanks Bruce and Todd for the input. I'm kind of leaning toward the dash as it has a "full" keyboard. Will the proxy use EDGE if available, or just GPRS. (My 3650 only has GPRS). Also, is the camera adequate on these phones (Dash, Shadow) or is the camera sub-par. I read reviews they're not real great. Thanks again,
Dan
BruceR - 29 Dec 2007 21:31 GMT snip
> Thanks Bruce and Todd for the input. I'm kind of leaning toward the > dash as it has a "full" keyboard. Will the proxy use EDGE if [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dan Re: Shadow. Yes on EDGE; the camera does a credible job but don't throw out your Nikon. I carry a seperate camera when I'm sightseeing or taking family photos but the phone's camera is perfectly adequate (and about as good as my Motorola v6) for the occassional snapshot of an unexpected event or to photograph samples of things.
Todd Allcock - 30 Dec 2007 10:21 GMT
> Thanks Bruce and Todd for the input. I'm kind of leaning toward the > dash as it has a "full" keyboard. Will the proxy use EDGE if > available, or just GPRS. (My 3650 only has GPRS). It'll use EDGE, but the proxy slows things down a little. It still Beats GPRS though. (My MDA replaced my 3650!)
> Also, is the camera > adequate on these phones (Dash, Shadow) or is the camera sub-par. I > read reviews they're not real great. Thanks again, I think the 0.3 MP camera in the 3650 outperforms the 1.3MP camera in the Dash or my MDA. I haven't tried the Shadow yet, but given HTC's track record with phone cameras, I'd assume it's lousy.
BruceR - 29 Dec 2007 02:52 GMT No, they don't reqire it. Yo can still use TZones. You can use the web unlimited when using WiFi.
> Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > require you to get the $20 plan? That's the feeling I got. Thanks > much. DK1000 - 30 Dec 2007 16:35 GMT Thanks again,
I'll try the explanation that I'll still use my 3650 to access t- zones. I assume you're allowed to have as many phones as you want per account but only one active SIM card. If worse come to worse, I can always get the phone on eBay.
As far as cameras, my first 3650 seemed to take great pictures, then that phone developed problems, would no longer charge, so I got another 3650, and the pictures weren't as good. I noticed that phone had an older version of firmware also, and now somehow the lens got "cloudy", as the pics are awful. As long as the Dash or Shadow can do as good as my second 3650.
DK1000 - 31 Dec 2007 04:37 GMT I bought the Shadow phone after all today (Sunday) from a local T-Mo store. I told them I wanted to keep T-Zones as I said I'll want to swap the sim card between the new Shadow and old Nokia 3650, and I will use the T-zones on the 3650, as I don't want to use the new phone at work. They said that's fine, I have to pay a buck more a month for T-Zones as I was grandfathered in at $4.99 but the new plan changes it, as I also went to the $49 Promo plan with 1500 anytime minutes, free N&W, and LD, and the old plan for the same price was the Regional 3000 plan with no N/W or LD. Howver they said I can never go back to the Regional 3000 plan, even though it's still offered, they said you can only be on that plan once. I also got a 2 year contract.
The promo plan is a 2 year contract as it's a promo they said, and the new phone 2 years, but they don't add to 4 years luckily. I had to make up my mind as they said the promo price was ending 12/31. I got the phone for $149 but I have a $50 mail in rebate bringing it to $99.
So far I made and received some calls, and the handset volume is great compared to the last 2 phones I had. I didn't do much with the camera yet. I tried getting online, I thought I was on my wi-fi connection, but think I was really on t-zones as it was a bit slow, don't know if gprs or edge at this point, hopefully edge isn't that slow. But now I can't get on at all, so I have to work on that and RTFM and play with the settings. Thanks everyone for their help. Happy New Year.
DK1000 - 05 Jan 2008 20:49 GMT UPDATE:
Thanks for the responses. OK, I had the Shadow for 6 days now, and whay I found so far: I basically like the phone, nice size, lots of functions, will connect to wi-fi and EDGE easily, and call volume is great. Speaker phone loud but tinny. Pictures seem OK, nothing great, and videos are kind of small, like my Nokia 3650, but the Shadow has a better video quality. Do other phones produce larger videos? (Screen size?)
I am still thinking about returning this and trying the Dash instead or a similar Blackberry (forgot model number), but I cannot afford too expensive of a phone. I tried Bluetoothing a PDA file over to the phone from my PC, which worked, but when I opened it in the PDA app on the phone, it was unreadable, I tried all page width and zoom settings, nothing would properly fit the text on the page, without having to scroll every line left to right. Actually the PDA file was the Shadow's manual from the disc. Unusable in my opinion. Maybe the Dash's more landscape screen will help? However rotating the text on the Shadow still didn't help. Plus the Dash has a little bigger screen???
I addressed before not being able to set an IE homepage, or rotate the browser to the landscape position, but I figure the homepage trouble is with that browser and I can download other browsers? (I know a registry tweak was mentioned, but I don't feel like poking around in the registry at this point).
Other concerns I have with the Shadow, is the plug they provide to chrage doesn't always fit very securely in the jack, and very easy to pull out just touching the phone when it's charging. I understand the Dash also has this? I like the simple plug that my Nokia 3650 has, just push the sucker in, no fumbling around with tabs and then trying to figure out which way the plug goes in, especially when you want to charge it at night and you're sleepy. I see the little tab/cover for the port is getting worn already, doesn't want to go back into position. Lots of fumbling around here.
Another annoyance, I tried twice to go to my myspace page using the Shadow's IE browser, using my wi-fi connection. Both times the phone froze, the bottom of the display said something like 1646KB, which isn't that huge. I had to remove the battery both times to reboot the phone. I can't figure out how to put Java so I can see looping weather radar maps as it doesn't display them, I assume the problem is Java.
I wish there was a volume control for dialing from the number pad, that is loud! I don't see any settings and again I don't want to fool around in the registry, shouldn't have to do that for simple settings. I'm wondering about the average user who buys the phone may not have a clue and either lives with it or returns the phone because of that.
The last big concern is battery life. Again, I'd say maybe two thirds to three quarters of what I got on my Nokia 3650, and online reviews claimed the N3650 battery life was a bit short, IIRC. I kept a log, so here we go:
Yesterday 11:00 am, battery fully charged, green light showing, I took it off the charger and the battery says 100%. I get good signal here, usually 4 bars, and I don't think this phone displays more than 4 bars, which is all they show in the pictures in the manual. So I guess that's good for battery life. I was at home all day yesterday too, so the phone wasn't used in any areas that had poor signal.\
I notice wi-fi uses about 5% of the battery per hour, and that's mostly letting it shut off after 2 minutes, but when I wake the phone up again, it reconnects. 45 minutes of calls, with no wi-fi or Bluetooth on brought a charge from 98% to 80%. After using Wi-fi for a few minutes to check weather, but left wi-fi on for about a half hour around 5pm, down to 72%, with wi-fi switching off after 2 minutes of non-use.
I left the phone sit last yesterday and last night with no BT or Wi-fi going, and it was down to about 60% by about 2 am. I woke up at 6:40 am today, nothing extra running on the phone and it's at 35%, a big drop in a few hours! Then leveled off a bit, 30% at 8:55 am, 7% at 11:00 am , another significant quick drop, and 11:10 am at 5%, again with just the phone on, no wi-fi or BT. At that point it went back on the charger. It does charge quickly, maybe a little more than an hour.
Should I go for the Dash or Blackberry, thanks much again.
DK1000 - 12 Jan 2008 19:42 GMT I went and traded my Shadow in for a Dash 2 days ago - Jan. 10. So far I like the Dash a lot better, no freeze ups, speaker quality a little better - not great - but better than the Shadow. I like the landscape layout. Especially for the web, email, etc. Only problem is playing a video in full screen, it turns it on it's side, with the two sides cut off a bit. The screen display is not as crisp as the Shadow, but it's adequate.
It's much easier to type on the Dash vs. the double click keys of the Shadow. My only gripe is that somehow the number keys on the Dash could have been a little bigger, kind of rough if you're dialing a phone number. But then I understand that would mean a bigger phone, and the layout of the keyboard would be interrupted.
No freezes yet, my Shadow frozen up twice the first day I got it. The Dash does seem almost as fast as the Shadow given less onboard memory, if not faster sometimes. I did install a 2 GB memory card also. Free memory however seems to vary between 3500K and 18000K sometimes with no rhyme or reason, even with all apps closed via the task manager. The Shadow would give between about 50000K and 68000K.
The battery seemed to come from the box at 100% on both phones. However the Dash battery stayed at 100% for about 6 hours, under light duty. The Shadow would have fallen to perhaps 94%. However both phones started dropping nore rapidly, once the battery readout did start going down in %,
I think the Dash may have lasted about 150% or more doing similar tasks as on the Shadow. I'm hesitant to say twice as long. Even though the Shadow started dropping faster at 50%, the Dash dropped like a rock literally. When I woke up today, it still had 40% charge, and about 60% about 8 hours earlier. It just sat overnight, ready to receive calls but no Bluetooth, Wi_Fi, or extra apps running.
When I got uo, I started playing with it, and as I said really dropped like a rock could see it dropping about 2% a minute. At that point, I put W-=Fi and Bluetooth on just to drain the battery more so I could do a full charge. Within minutes I got the low battery warning, and then the critical battery warning about 2 minutes after that. About a minute later, I plugged it in to my PC via the USB cable to charge it. I also turned it off and put the SIM in my Nokia 3650 while the Dash is charging.
I did not like the battery dropping like that after 50% or 60%, but until it got to that point, again, probably 50% more life than the Shadow going to almost complete discharge.
So now I'm doing a full recharge with the phone off, hoping to condition that battery. And I bought a car charger if I need a charge on the road. Down the road I may order a spare battery.
I have until tomorrow - 1/13 to decide to return this, but I think I'll keep it, I just know to recharge the battery when the battery level drops to 2 bars. Both the Dash and Shadow) have 4 battery bars at 100% charge, and drops to 3 bars under 80%, and 2 bars at about under 60%, may be 70% on the Dash, so may be better to go by bars displayed.
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